You said - "But I will leave well enough alone now as long as you do me the same courtesy."

Why on Earth would I want you to 'leave well alone'.....I thoroughly enjoy our discussions, Big Bear.

If you post something in future that interests me, I shall respond......I base my message board responses on what is posted, not by whom.....

You said - "Just because I don't consider you worthy of being my judge....."

The point is, Big Bear.....it was you who invited me to judge you when you stated "Judge me for who I am, not who I was....."

You said - "....what kind of person posts under a completely phony identity....."

In what way is my identity completely phoney? Perhaps you should attempt to substantiate that claim......

You said - "The chinks in your armor have widened even further since our last meeting....."

I think that statement perfectly exemplifies your attitude towards message board discussion......rather than seeing this forum as an opportunity for an enjoyable and rewarding exchange of views and information, you regard it as some kind of battle ground in which you are the perpetual victim.....lighten up a little, Big Bear.....you appear to take life far too seriously......

Once again you are proving to be rather selfish in your attitude towards this discussion. Apart from myself and Big Bear, wistiti, Emo and others have made valuable contributions to this thread.

I merely suggest that this discussion not be a part of this forum, and you insult me for having delicate sensibilities. I don't really mind the bickering, and I truly don't have a heartfelt opinion about the subject.

My contribution to this discussion is that I don't think it should exist in this medium...but apparently making such a statement qualifies me for a free trial period of your petty insults. Enjoy yourselves...luckily there are still plenty of posts on Moviemusic.com that relate to film music.

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my decision to retire from message board discussion is final

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...it's those people who do not lead an active social life and have been sheltered...

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but I have to wonder just how in heck Daniel 2/Tucker can be anyone's judge in terms of sheltered existence. You're the poster child of sheltered existence.

Just like Daniel2, Big Bear is a mystery. I remember his exit from FSM only four months ago where he was so self-righteous about trying to get film music discussion going on and how FSM was largely worthless. He says when he attacks others, his posts "are in response to being antagonized myself. I have always been openly teasing rather than malicious. I can take that type of thing as well as I can dish it out." Yeah, like my grandma was born in 1985. Ok, if a board admin wants to close a thread because its off topic it's an attack on Big Bear? No, but BB turns it into one. PeterK said nothing negative about you, Big Bear, and has even clearly explained his position, but you turn around and had trashy words for PeterK. That's a loser if I ever saw one.

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Originally posted by Mark:
Just like Daniel2, Big Bear is a mystery.

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Hardly. My name is on my Member Profile, as well as a special photo greeting for any of my detractors here.

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Originally posted by Mark:
Visit FSM if you have no interest in discussing film music, because that's what we do here.

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I'll visit both, and as often as I like, thanks.

And as much as some people around here would like to blame me for everything that is wrong with this board lately, I did not turn this into a flame war. I merely continued a thread that I thought was a worthwhile discussion, against the wishes and attempts of PeterK to stop it. I called no names, just stated my admittedly blunt opinions of certain people's actions (Daniel2 does not count... he lives for my profanities).

Where the hell are the Americans who are not moronic nit wits.

Any board FOOTBALL POTA now SCORES...

Man if someone offered me 100 million dollars with 1 stipulation saying I had to live in usa rest of my life. I would just say no.

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Originally posted by Dr. Zaius:
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Ah, Dr. Zaius, it's not creepy... It's the land of the free and the home of the brave! "Come on, now"... lol

They're everywhere!

1. HYPOCRITICAL
2. Irrational
3. Ignorant (stupid)
4. Illogical
5. just plain silly

Love to school a left wing loonie for a change.

I believe what Jeron said completely and fully. I mean, use common sense here, if a person was gay you think they want it broadcast to the world?

C'mon people, use your heads, that's what they are there for, that is unless you did indeed pass the first grade?

--Brian
Gryffindor Seeker

F**k You! F**K You! F**k You!

Don't talk s**t about PeterK. Without his (free!) site, your a** would be forced to post your lame and hypocritical (oh and did i mention, completely lacking in movie music relevance) stuff somewhere else. Smoke a bowl and chill out. In fact, you might want to check out this cool new stuff I found. I guess Mexican shamen used to use it to have visions...I'm gonna buy me some of this stuff as soon as I sell a few crappy cds!
http://www.sagewisdom.org/

Joey

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Originally posted by Big Bear:
[b]PeterK

I wish I could see some kind of pattern of logic to your recent closing of the 'Note From Londen(sic)' post. I know it's not the sunniest subject in the world, but that thread you just closed was an important one, dealing with a very serious subject, and there are a lot of things left to be said in it...

So I am going to continue it. Please, if you can possibly bear the free expression of ideas, don't delete this.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by André Lux:
Most gay people are quite happy with their OPTION and, must add, live a much better and honest lifes than most "straight" people...<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do not defend Justin Boggan's comments at all... they are ignorant. Period.

But what Jeron said was true. Not for ALL homosexuals (obviously), but some of them are so fed up with the flak they get from intolerant bigots that they truly wish they weren't the way they are. It's one aspect of any "alternative lifestyle", and not just sexual preference, to deal with the guff you get from society at large. It's not always easy, Andre. And sometimes people find themselves wishing they weren't the way they are. That is what Jeron meant, not that gays should be ashamed of who they are. Just a point of order that a great number of them, at least here in our dazzlingly intolerant United States, wish things could be different.

All that aside, your notion that gay people inherently live happier lives than heteosexuals is preposterous. You're just replacing one type of intolerance with another here, Andre. [/B]

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Ha, ha......That's like saying the best part of the apple is the maggot.....

As for your comments about Big Bear's opinions being ignored, I suggest you reread this thread.....Jeron himself has thanked Big Bear for 'standing by him' following my misinterpretation of his remarks about homosexuals being ashamed of their sexuality. As far as that episode is concerned, everything has been resolved.....I accept that Jeron did not intend to come across as homophobic, and Jeron has recognized the fact that I regard him as gay-tolerant.
If there is anyone you should be criticising at this message board, it is Justin Boggan......it was his sickening anti-gay bigotry that sparked these discussions.

Indeed, Mark. I would sooner have a thousand haughtily sanctimonious Big Bear's at this message board than one mealy-mouthed, interfering busy-body like you......

You're miles behind the rest of us. Jeron has since expanded upon his initially puzzling comments, I've registered my appreciation of his gay-tolerant views.....and everything in the garden was rosy......

......until you said - "....use common sense here, if a person was gay you think they want it broadcast to the world?"

Perhaps you would like to explain why a gay person should feel ashamed of his/her sexuality. Most of my gay friends feel completely uninhibited when expressing their sexuality.....and rightly so. The only reason I see for a homosexual to 'hide' his/her sexuality is for fear of prejudice and persecution from those around him......and that is a damning indictment of the intolerance and bigotry that still remains in modern society to this day.

You said - "....now you've gone ahead and insulted me as well."

Hmmmm.....if you truly regard my response to you as being insulting, then your sensibilities are even more delicate than I first imagined.

Quill, if this particular thread doesn't interest you, I've no problem with that at all. The fact remains you have entered this thread, not to contribute to the discussion, but simply to register your disapproval of the content. Having engaged yourself here, you must accept the fact that your reasoning can be challenged by those, such as myself, with an opposing view.

After all, if my sensibilities were as delicate as yours I could feel quite offended that you regard my 'on-topic' posting discussing THE OBJECT OF MY AFFECTION, movie and score, and the history of gay-themed movies (including their scores) as being worthy of 'trashing'.

The fact remains that certain elements of this thread are relevant to a movie music discussion forum....I see no reason why such a thread cannot also contain off-topic content and a harmless and enjoyable exchange of insults.

If the MovieMusic Message Board was a public domain maintained by its members, your opinion on the off-topic content of certain threads would carry some weight. However, this is a privately owned forum and the administration of this message board is not your concern. PeterK runs the show, he's the guy who decides what stays and what goes.

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PeterK: From one moderator to another...I feel your pain...and as a side note...Jeron is a good person with a heart of gold...I know for a fact he wouldn't say something hateful or disparaging of someone. His remarks, while definitely a minority these days in the gay community, are by no means completely absent. THAT is what is sad.

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The king of hypocrisy has spoken!
Just what we needed around here...

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i am so tired of SCHOOLING right wing loonies exposing them as:
1. HYPOCRITICAL
2. Irrational
3. Ignorant (stupid)
4. Illogical
5. just plain silly

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1. who isn't hypocritical at some point in their lives? But, I'll play your game.
My experience with leftists/ liberals is one of intolerance. I say intolerance because you cannot propose an idea contrary to their enlightened view of the world without being labelled a Nazi or Satan. And these are the people who preach diversity above all things, and tolerance of all views. Right!
and don't even get me started on their religious intolerance which is derived from their purposeful ignorance.

2. Irrationality is the result of people acting based on their emotions, rather than with their heads. Everybody does this at some point. Such is life. How else to explain Tony Blair's popularity in Britain?
or Bill KKKlinton's over here?

3. Ignorance is a trait most common with left wingers, though eveyone to some degree or another is afflicted -- you simply CANNOT KNOW everything there is to know.

While the left preaches enlightenment, they remain ignorant to many issues, such as how to accept and love people for who they are. I'll use Barbra Steisand as an example. The woman constantly makes the news for her little Democratic political gatherings and letters she writes to Senators. If you've ever read any of them, you'd know the woman has no idea about what it's like for people less fortunate than her. People that WORK for a living. People in the real world who have to pay mortgages, work 10 hour days, buy food for 3 screaming kids, mow their lawns, cook dinner, etc etc.
It's idiots like her who won't quit with the frickin' social experiments and just leave people alone.

4. Illogical? I may be wrong, but it's leftists who would place so-called "endangered" fish in a lake above the needs of humans.
It's leftists running the UN who endorse slavery by the inclusion of such nations as Sudan on their HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION, and the subsequent kicking off of the US, who abolished slavery 150 years ago.

5. Just plain silly, eh? How can I disagree with that?

but anyway, thanks for letting me argue.

1. using KKK for clinton proves you know nothing about Clinton

2. calling blair and clinton "liberals" shows you know nothing about politics

3. EXACTLY who is being ripped off by the system is THE WORKING MAN it is true Liberals who would make your life easier:
you would have free healthcare
HMOs are rip offs

the number one personal cause of bankruptcy is Medical Bills

the right wingers like bush blair clinton TAKE AWAY MONEY FROM YOU MAKING YOU WORK THOSE 10 hour days

in a just society EVERYONE would benefit
look at the old people WORKED ALL THEIR LIVES left with nothing

Wouldn't be nice if you could work reasonable hours, have month paid vacation, have all medical and educational costs covered, recieve a REAL pension when you retire etc etc

All the reforms and improvements made to society since the depression (and it took a depression to force change) are slwoly being ripped away until America and Uk etc will be like the 3rd world

there will be the rich and the poor and the middle class will be extinguished

YOU the honest working man is kept in place and chained down by the "right wing" ideology

It is a con game

If you look at any stats in the preceding years THE RICH HAVE GOTTEN RICHER and the poor have gotten poorer

HOW DO THEY KEEP YOU IN PLACE they sell you MYTHS they con you:

work hard and you will be rewarded

support benefits for the rich BECAUSE ONE DAY YOU WILL BE RICH

on and on and on it goes the reality is
you are getting poorer and are one serious family illness away from bankruptcy

they set up straw men to fear FEAR AFFIRMATIVE ACTION fear STREISAND fear LIBERALS fear LIBERAL MEDIA fear this fear that...

DIVERTING YOUR ATTENTION FROM WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING they are simply ripping you off