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    Topic:   CDNOW's Rather Interesting Review Of Planet Of The Apes

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water, you read a review like this:

    Danny Elfman
    Planet of the Apes
    (Sony Classical)

    By Steve Holtje
    CDNOW Senior Editor, Classical


    Travel with Danny Elfman to a future Earth dominated by trombones and percussion. It's hard not to sense a strong whiff of pastiche in this effort, yet just like director Tim Burton, Elfman tries to play both sides of the fence -- taking the drama seriously, yet going so far over the top as to slip into camp.

    Not since Verdi's Il Trovatore have anvils figured so prominently in a musical score. The constant air of menace on this CD may reflect the movie's plot, but a score consisting largely of episodic gestures and little in the nature of actual themes or melodies can get by on texture for just so long before the effects wear thin. Even Elfman's strings are percussive, with frequent pizzicato outbursts. The occasional quiet moments rarely last long, except for "The Return" at the end, until it heats up into practically a condensed version of Gustav Holst's The Planets.

    There's no question Elfman knows his stuff. This score could double as an instructional tool for the construction of action-film soundtrack effects and, if nothing else, the sound -- especially in the bass range -- is quite impressive. But listening all the way through is like being bludgeoned for an hour by a cleverly sadistic torturer. To hear this sort of effort done much better -- with better pacing, more coherent themes, and more convincing atmosphere -- get Hans Zimmer's score for Gladiator.


    And after reading this review, you seek out their review for Gladiator, where the same guy fails to mention the even more obvious influence of Holst's The Planets. I also like that not since Verdi have anvils been used so prominently in a film score. Bastard.

    Anyway, just thought this was frustrating.

    Shaun

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    posted 08-09-2001 07:39 AM PT (US)     

     SEBULBA
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    I just picked up the score about a week ago, and love it. Haven't seen the movie yet, but on it's own I think the score is good. I like his main titles. The use of percussion and even the little bit of synth effects are a nice touch.

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    posted 08-09-2001 07:44 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    "Rather Interesting Review"...hehehe.

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    posted 08-09-2001 08:22 AM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    One word: BIASED.


    Scott

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    posted 08-09-2001 08:56 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    According to Thomas Hammerl's Hollow Man review at amazon.de, it's Goldsmith's fourth collaboration with Paul Verhoeven - after Total Recall, Basic Instinct...and Starship Troopers. :rooleyes:

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    posted 08-09-2001 09:14 AM PT (US)     

     Taylor
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    I would bet Mr. Elfman would laugh at the use of the word sadistic, given that he was in a band that had that kind of side to their music. Actually, I think he would find the whole thing funny.

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    posted 08-09-2001 09:20 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    I don't remember The Planets relying quite so much on percussion, as this PoTA does.


    NP -- none of your damn business

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    posted 08-09-2001 11:04 AM PT (US)     

     jonathan_little
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    What do you expect from the "classical" guy at CDnow?

    I'm sorry, but... classical != film music.

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    posted 08-09-2001 11:09 AM PT (US)     

     Wedge
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    The score DID feature a "condensed" version of The Planets. Of course, it accompanied a fast-forward trip through the Solar System, so I thought it was clever.

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    posted 08-09-2001 03:29 PM PT (US)     

     TV's Frank
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    Can someone please refer to a specific part of "The Planets" that is supposedly referenced in POTA's "The Return"? I know Holst's "The Planets" pretty well and have yet to hear anything in POTA that resembles it in the slightest. So when a reviewer or someone else simply tosses out a comment that it refernces "The Planets", I find it highly frustrating in its ambiguity.
    There are many parts to that work, from the militaristic "Mars" to the sprightly "Mercury" section, all with different textures and melodies - so what the hell is Elfman references? I need more clarification before I blindly accept a critic's "informed" opinion.

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    posted 08-09-2001 03:40 PM PT (US)     

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    He utilizes the same ostinato riff and central 3 note theme Zimmer employed...both derived from 'Mars: Bringer of War' by Holst. It's clearly identifiable in track 13, and immediately recognizable, even when watching the movie.

    (in fact, if you listen to the main title, in parts it bares a passing resemblance to Zimmer's Battle Music from Gladiator)

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    posted 08-09-2001 08:49 PM PT (US)     

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    This new PLANET OF THE APES is by far one of the worst movies ever made. Tim Burton is becoming a serious candidate to the post of Ed Wood Junior.

    Elfman's score is not so bad as the movie, but plain mediocre and derivative as usual.

    The review above is right - except for the GLADIATOR preposterous recomendation.

    Not even Elfman deserved that!

    Just my opinion.

    Thanks.

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    posted 08-09-2001 09:00 PM PT (US)     

     Gae
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    And this is what the same guy has to say about James newton Howard's great score to Dinosaur:-

    "This is one of the blandest, most generic instrumental scores attached to a major motion picture in recent memory. It's probably effective in the context of the movie, but it doesn't stand up on its own.
    Even sections exhibiting some character immediately recall similar, but better, moments by more distinctive scorers (for instance, the energetic "The End of Our Island" sounds like second-rate John Williams, while the menacing "Raptors/Stand Together" is adulterated Jerry Goldsmith). But in general, perhaps to match the warm-and-fuzzy Disney mood, the style is lush, gentle Romanticism with daubs of Impressionism.

    The most egregious hackwork comes in sections where wordless unison vocals augment the orchestra -- an effect which had worn out its welcome by the 1950s. Even the brief ethnic passages which attempt to spice things up had been done to death by the mid-'90s.

    Anybody acquainted with 20th century classical music (Elgar, Debussy, Penderecki) and the great soundtrack composers (Steiner, Korngold, Rozsa, Herrmann) could match this after taking Orchestration 101.

    Steve Holtje
    CD NOW Senior Editor, Classical"

    He obviously likes great music by mentioning Herrmann and Rozsa etc but personally I think he's doing the score to "Dinosaur" a great injustice. Anyone agree with me, or do you share the same opinion as Mr. Holtje?

    Gae

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    posted 08-10-2001 03:23 PM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    I'd hardly say it's biased, I too think Zimmer's Gladiator is a better CD. I'm not quite sure how anybody could write that about Dinosaur, though...

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    posted 08-10-2001 03:28 PM PT (US)     

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    To say that Gladiator is a better CD is hardly praise...

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