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Topic: Attack of the Clones!

BobaMike

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Episode 2 has been named!ATTACK OF THE CLONES!
I like it

http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/posted 08-06-2001 12:19 PM PT (US) 
JEC
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See today's Drudge Report. Appropriately named.
posted 08-06-2001 01:05 PM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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So! Jim Rome makes movies now eh?Hmmm....wonder how many people on this board will get that one?
posted 08-06-2001 01:17 PM PT (US) 
Big Bear
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No terribly sure about that title. Hmmm. I suppose it fits with the rest of them, although at first glance it sounds like a silly 50's Horror matinee.
posted 08-06-2001 01:25 PM PT (US) 
Kevin
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Now all we need is for someone to redo Judy Collins' famous song with one word change.Can you just see it? As the opening credits come up, we hear Destiny's Child singing "Send In The Clones."
Kevin
posted 08-06-2001 01:43 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

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LOL. I was waiting for that, Kevin. Good job!
posted 08-06-2001 01:45 PM PT (US) 
ManOfSorrows

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Hahahaha.... Still laughing... What a terrible title
posted 08-06-2001 02:32 PM PT (US) 
TV's Frank

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What? This can't possibly be true. Is Lucas such a dense goof that he can't see the idiocy of including the word "clones" in the title? That's as bad as having "zombie" in the title! I know he likes the feel of old time serials and their chapter titles, but one can accomplish that goal without actually being TOO old-fashioned. I cannot respect a movie which has this title.
posted 08-06-2001 02:43 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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quote:
Originally posted by OHMSS76:
So! Jim Rome makes movies now eh?Hmmm....wonder how many people on this board will get that one?
Rack him!!!! That was a classic take!!!!posted 08-06-2001 02:50 PM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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Brian! What?Name one bad movie with Zombie in the title!
Hell, even Night Of the Zombies has it's moments!
Ya can't do it, can ya

Sean
PS...I have to email you, but I found a ton of MST's at the local video store, including a collection of shorts.....details to follow, and I haven't forgotten our trade!
posted 08-06-2001 02:51 PM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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Yes! Bravo Mark!Ya shocked the hell outta me!
Have a take, and don't suck

Seanposted 08-06-2001 02:52 PM PT (US) 
TV's Frank

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Okay, okay, Sean, I agree about the rashness of my "zombie" comment, but those films are fun in a different way! I liked "Zombie Nightmare" as well, but can only watch it in its MST3K format. I guess I wanted a more dramatic title for EpII, but which was more vague in tone.
Now we all know the film has clones in it, but the new title is so direct as to be amateurish. I liked PHANTOM MENACE as a title, it was vague in threat, like you wouldn't know to expect danger. I wonder if Lucas had to do it over, would he title it CHARGE OF THE DUCK-BILLED DROIDS? Or maybe EVIL LURKS IN TEN-YEAR BOYS?
Anywho, glad you found some more MST! I also uncovered a major coup in finding the address of a guy who has all the episodes and does high-quality dubbing for a pretty decent price. I found his address (jallen7982@yahoo.com) on the tape trading page of mst3kinfo.com. I ordered several from him recently and will let you know how they come out. Feel free to email me for more info!
posted 08-06-2001 03:02 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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R-E-S-P-E-C-T....(can't wait 'till episode III?) R-E-S-P-E-C-T...(remember 2-1B?)Respect -
1. n. reference, regard.
2. vb. to consider deserving of high regard.
Ok, why did I go through this trouble?
I don't know...I'm tired of this silly **** . You love it, you hate it, you love it, you hate it. Maybe they should set up movies like buffets so you can just take what you like and leave the rest.No, I got it...you sit down at a computer, away from society, screaming kids, mushy couples, fanboys. You type in the name of the movie. You click on the actors you want in the movie. You click on the genre. You click on the composer you want to score the movie. Then, you sit back, watch the flick, and slap yourself on the back for being so ingenious. You never have to expose yourself to Hollywood crap ever again. Hooray.
Can't respect??...what a bunch of...I'm having trouble respecting a movie with the title...
Frank--don't get me wrong here, guy. The grudge isn't with you, personally. You are the original evil scientist lackey (and voice of Tom Servo, on better occasions)...really. But come on, man....
posted 08-06-2001 03:08 PM PT (US) 
TV's Frank

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Maybe you're right, Lancelot, perhaps I am taking this all way too seriously. It's all that time being a second banana to Dr. F, I guess! I think my perceptions are clouded due to those grand, fond 1980 memories of anticipating EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - because when I knew nothing but the title, my mind could conjur up any sort of ideas which might be the manner of the Empire's revenge. What fun that was! Oy, methinks I'm way too nostalgic for my own good...
posted 08-06-2001 03:24 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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Probably a superfluous idea, but check out Mike Nelson's book Movie Megacheese. No, I mean all of you. Yes. Right. Now.
posted 08-06-2001 03:28 PM PT (US) 
Wedge

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It's not any less subtle than "THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!" Remember, Lucas is also the guy who gave us "Indiana Jones and the TEMPLE OF DOOM! Mu-hu-ha-ha-ha-ha!"
posted 08-06-2001 03:59 PM PT (US) 
TV's Frank

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Lancelot, a superb recommendation for all! I bought the book soon after it was released and still love to reread parts of it! I look like an idiot because it's makes me laugh out loud, but I don't care! Mike Nelson has a great comic mind which still needs to be mined!
Also, check out some of his articles for the online magazine Ironminds - also a gutbuster!
posted 08-06-2001 04:05 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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I kinda figured it would have the word Clone in it. I though he might have called it Episode II: The Clone Wars.Sadly no matter what Lucas does he is doomed due to the fact everyone overhyped Episode I in to being something it had no chance of being. Oh well I guess for those of us who aren't too foolish to fall for all of that hype will enjoy the film like we did Episode I and the first trilogy. The rest, well let the complaints begin.

posted 08-06-2001 04:09 PM PT (US) 
BobaMike

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Mark, I believe all of the advertising will NOT be using "Episode II" in the titles...so Star Wars: The Clone Wars would have sounded silly.I think that "Attack of the Clones" fits nicely alongside "Return of the Jedi" and The Empire Strikes Back".
BobaMike
posted 08-06-2001 04:15 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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I wasn't sure if he would use Episode II in the title. Either way I have no problem with the title. I'm just as anxious as I was 3 years ago, hell even back in 80 and 83. I just try not to hype things up. I take them as they come.[Message edited by Mark Olivarez on 08-06-2001]
posted 08-06-2001 04:20 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

Kevin, I am still laughing, man. Still.
posted 08-06-2001 04:40 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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Aaah, what a lame-ass idea....you know Weird Al's "I think I'm a Clone Now" would work better.....
posted 08-06-2001 04:47 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Too bad it was not "Rise of the Clones." From all the digging I've done the past 5-6 years on the subject, that is a better title.Mark, your idea for "The Clone Wars" would also have been very good, since that's the time period the story takes place in.
Just so everyone knows, Ep 2 and Ep 3 both take place during the clone wars. If I remember the year period correctly, its a 10-15 year period when the (SPOILERS) empire hunts down the Jedi.
My guess for Ep 3 is "Darkness and Light" or "Between Darkness & Light"
--Bri
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[Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 08-06-2001]
posted 08-06-2001 05:43 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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What's the next spoiler? Anakin becomes Darth Vader?
posted 08-06-2001 06:10 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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--Bri
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posted 08-06-2001 06:52 PM PT (US) 
SBD
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No offense to the Star Wars fans here, but "Attack of the Clones" is such a dumb-ass title. It truly sounds like a MST3K episode.
posted 08-07-2001 06:23 AM PT (US) 
Ellen B Edgerton

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quote:
Originally posted by SBD:
No offense to the Star Wars fans here, but "Attack of the Clones" is such a dumb-ass title. It truly sounds like a MST3K episode.
It does. I don't understand why it wasn't titled "The Clone Wars." That's a part of the Star Wars mythology that I would imagine every Star Wars fan is familiar with. I can't understand what possessed Lucas to call it THAT.
posted 08-07-2001 06:57 AM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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Now I could be mistaken, but weren't many of you complaining about the title "The Phantom Menace" when it was announced?
And yet nowadays it's just "accepted" as the title.The same with happen with this one; get over it.

Dan
posted 08-07-2001 07:02 AM PT (US) 
Quill
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Good point Dan...as much as it sounds silly to me now...very soon it will just be another part of the mythos."The Empire Strikes Back" is just as silly...but it has been entrenched in our minds and is associated with a great film. We simply accept it.
As long as Ep.2 is good I don't think many of us will continue to gripe about the title. And while we're on the topic, here's to another great score from Mr. Williams.
posted 08-07-2001 07:36 AM PT (US) 
Widescreen
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First off, Quill's point is a good one, and I agree with it.I think the title is perfect. The great problem with many people when they hear things like this and get hacked off is because Star Wars has been placed on such a pedestal. There are fans I know who have been eating, sleeping, and breathing the original three films for 15-20 years and it's sad there cannot be more objectivity. It's like a lot of those same fans miss the late seventies' from their youth thinking that was the best time in their childhood and they want a little of it back- the exact way they got it the first time not counting that they, and the world have evolved.
Star Wars in and of itself doesn't need to worry about it's titling anyway because it's Star Wars. Unless the film absolutely totally and completely alienates every last person on the planet, which I highly doubt it will, then there's no use complaining about a title that may fit better than we could know. In time, all things will be revealed. Besides, this is just the requisite conjecture. The title could feasibly change, its happened before: anyone remember Return of the Jedi's original title? Revenge of The Jedi- changed because it didn't fit. Lucas could change the title. I also doubt that, but personally, I see a lot of things about Attack of The Clones that fit. I think it's better than "The Clone Wars". It's kind of redundant to have the word War twice in the same title. A better fit would be "The Clone Battle", as a war is made up of a series of battles, sorties, operations, etc. But then, we don't know how long the events in the Clone Wars go on.
And again, this is all conjecture, until we see the movie next May, there's still so much we don't know- and perhaps judgment should be reserved.
[Message edited by Widescreen on 08-07-2001]
[Message edited by Widescreen on 08-07-2001]
posted 08-07-2001 07:38 AM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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....as "goofy" as you want to call it, it's been a long standard of rumors (both internet and non) that "The Clone Wars" was supposed to be the "early" episodes.You want to talk dumb-ass*? Luke Skywalker mentions it ONCE in the first episode, and suddenly, everyone's a historian.
(* = dumb ass in a "fools rush in kind of way", not in a "stick a fork in toaster while standing in a puddle" kind of way.)
Whatever has been speculated by comic books and science-fiction authors is completely irrelevant. (Anything beyond names of planets.)
George Lucas is a smart man. I don't think he's easily going to cave in years of baseless conjecture. He knows what people expect, and is trying to figure out ways to give it to them in a manner that surprises them anew, not in a way they've been spreading rumors about since they were five.
P.S.:
If you want to know how the Star Wars saga evolves, don't read crap on the internet-- study mythology. That's all I'm sayin'....posted 08-07-2001 09:04 AM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

Interesting point Dan, but yeah, you are mistaken. I am betting you can guess why. Heh heh heh. Over and out.
posted 08-07-2001 09:39 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by Ellen B Edgerton:
I don't understand why it wasn't titled "The Clone Wars."Yeah. Episode II: The Clone Wars sounds great. Episode II: Attack of the Clones sounds just stupid.
...and I never had a problem with the title The Phantom Menace.
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posted 08-07-2001 10:14 AM PT (US) 
Widescreen
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Lancelot, dgoldwas, PeterK:Preach on, my brothers! Good points all. A soulful Star Wars fan (and yes there is such a thing) will enjoy these films no matter what the arguments or the successes.
posted 08-07-2001 11:00 AM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by PeterK:
Interesting point Dan, but yeah, you are mistaken. I am betting you can guess why. Heh heh heh. Over and out.No, I can't guess why - why don't you just say why instead of playing your little games?
I never said EVERYONE complained about the PHANTOM MENACE title; but many people DID. Just as they're doing now.
Dan
[Message edited by dgoldwas on 08-07-2001]
posted 08-07-2001 11:02 AM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

Oh brother. Dan, this message board wasn't around when the title was announced, so no one here could have whined if they tried. You are right though. No more playing little paranoid loon games anymore. I'll go back to my room.
posted 08-07-2001 11:39 AM PT (US) 
Quill
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So...let's see:The Phantom Menace
The Attack of the Clones
???
A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of JediThey all seem to have the same campy simplicity...so all is good in Star Wars land.
posted 08-07-2001 12:13 PM PT (US) 
Kevin
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Well, I thought "The Phantom Menace" was stupid back then, and I think it is now, just like the Episode 2 title.But this time I know better: I have no hopes of this film being any good, so I'm not going to be one of the mindless throng of fools who will stand for hours to get tickets to the first show. I'll wait a week or two, then see it once.
I'm more jazzed about LOTR than anything Lucas could put on the theater screens.
Kevin
posted 08-07-2001 12:28 PM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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Let me chime in on this. There has been a theory going for a few years about how Lucas may approach the naming of the prequels, and it's a theory I kind of like and one that, in light of this anouncement, is perhaps starting to ring true...Let's take a quick look at the titles 'A New Hope' and 'The Phantom Menace,' both the titles of the 1st films of the two trilogies, and both descrptive titles about a single being, a hope (luke), and a menace (sideous/palpatine).
Now compare 'The Empire Strikes Back' to 'Attack of the Clones' they too have something in common, they're both descriptive, though not blatantly, of a key event in the storyline of each film. The Empire is "striking," the Clones are "attacking".
So, does anyone see the pattern here? If this whole theory of the pattern in the titles is true, it's easy to see why it wasnt named Episode 2: The Clone Wars beacuse no Star Wars title has ever been named after a physical event. So, if all this is true then the title of Episode 3 will likely be descriptive of what happens to a key character, namely Anakin (eg, 'Fall of a Jedi' would fit nicely in comparison to 'Return of the Jedi').
"Strike" and "Attack" are both adjectives. On top of this, Episode2's main focus is not on the Clone Wars, it's just one of many elements involved in the story. As it happens, at the time Episode2 takes place the wars should already have been in full swing for a few years already (if you follow the timeline, or more importantly, Lucas followed it).
Attack of the Clones, sure, perhaps the least inspiring title of a Star Wars movie yet, but I can understand the reasons why it was chosen, and can picture it scroling up the screen in yellow without any problems. To me, it's a title that heralds one big 2 hour fight to be honest.
'Attack of the Clones' is, to me, no more questionable a title then the equally silly 'Temple of Doom.' Both take inspiration from the naming of various 50s satrday morning adventure and sci-fi serials so whatever, Lucas' baby, he can do what he wants.
Dan (UK)
posted 08-07-2001 03:27 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by PeterK:
Dan, this message board wasn't around when the title was announced, so no one here could have whined if they tried.Oh please. I didn't say that they were whining HERE, ya know. You're so picky!!
Did you forget you had another bboard on another site? One that existed BEFORE this one?
I'm sure many of the people who were posting on your MovieTunes bboard (and are still here today) whined about it there.
Dan
posted 08-07-2001 03:35 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
