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      Building a score around something else, and other uses of stuff

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    Topic:   Building a score around something else, and other uses of stuff

     John C Winfrey
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    Some examples of the many:

    Beyond the Forest-Steiner-built around Chicago tune

    First to Fight-Fred Steiner-has a lot of good original music, but several themes in the film-are based on As Time Goes By-by Hupfeld and used by Max in Casablanca. It is seen in the film and the love themes and "cowardly" scenes use this theme. Very effective in the scenes where Chad Everett turns "chicken" and the tune is overlaid with some good suspense music

    Ry Cooder's score for Geronimo is built around the "Southern Harmony" traditional tune of the Old South-works well

    Goldsmith's use of Valkyries music in King Solomon's Mines-very good arrangement for the silly comedy-adventure for the inept Germans

    Newman's use of the Auld Ayne Syne-New Year's Eve tune in many of his early scores
    Friedhofer's use of the classical piece "everyone uses" in Between Heaven and Hell in the main title music. Fried uses this in some of his horror music and Bernstein uses it some too especially in Marie Ward and others

    Steiner's Searchers score built around the traditional song heard all through the film

    Newman's use of Jeannie with the Light Brown Hair and another traditional song in Come and Get It

    And in lots of war docs and WWII films by Newman and others, the use of the German traditional song representing that country

    Many others. Best, John.


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    posted 07-18-2001 06:45 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    Goldsmith's Wild Rovers based around a theme I thought was his but turned out to be a folk theme from the period.

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    posted 07-18-2001 08:48 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    I agree John that many films’ scores have utilized or been built
    upon an underpinning melody not written by the movie’s composer.

    A few years ago, the movie One Fine Day used the old 60’s song of the
    same title for parts of its score. Howard Shore incorporated the melody
    to Heart and Soul into his score for Big, not just in the jumping piano part
    but also in the end credits. Today on AMC, I could hear parts of North’s
    Cheyenne Autumn in the background, and he used several folk songs in
    his underscore.

    The James Stewart movie Shenandoah with music by Frank Skinner uses
    that main song (which I assume wasn’t by Skinner) throughout the whole
    picture. (What a tear jerker.) What about How The West Was Won? I know
    Newman did the fabulous music, but I always thought some of Reynold’s songs
    (Greensleeves for instance) and We Are Bound For The Promise Land were source
    music, not Newman’s. He frequently uses those melodies in his underscore.

    I’m probably one of the few who really likes Goldsmith’s folksy score for Lilies
    of the Field, but I never knew if Goldsmith wrote AMEN or just adapted a spiritual.

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    posted 07-18-2001 10:11 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    Yeah John, Hawks always regretted using Jeannie in Come and Get It because even though he took the credit for bringing it back into popularity he said he got sick of hearing it over the years.

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    posted 07-18-2001 11:13 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    All the films set in Australia or involve Aussies that use Waltzing Mathilda as a theme, the most significant being Ernest Gold's score to the 50s version of On The Beach.

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    posted 07-18-2001 11:15 PM PT (US)     

     mgh
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    The song Goldsmith uses in the Wild Rovers is "I Ride an Old Paint," or "Leaving Cheyenne." I believe Copland also used it in Billy the Kid.

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    posted 07-18-2001 11:25 PM PT (US)     

     John C Winfrey
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    Parts of Wild Rovers and The Man by Goldsmith both sound very Coplandish to me. Always has to me. Joan, HWWW is full of source adaptation as you pointed out. Yes, those are traditional songs. Newman did it a lot. Original cues mixed with that stuff. John.

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    posted 07-19-2001 06:06 PM PT (US)     
     

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