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Kevin Oscar® Winner	I read this on Sci-Fi.com... "[Inside.com] reports that studio executives have requested changes to Danny Elfman's soundtrack in hopes of making it more "heroic." One unnamed source is quoted as saying, "They wanted to be able to sell the film as a sci-fi GLADIATOR." " Aughhh! Nowe we've got weeble studio heads who don't know their rear from a hole in the ground trying to tell Elfman how to write music! Danny! Don't listen to 'em! Kevin
posted 07-17-2001 12:53 PM PT (US)

Big Bear unregistered	Rest assured, there will be no changes unless Tim Burton is okay with it. And I think if Tim Burton is okay with it, Danny Elfman will be as well.
posted 07-17-2001 12:55 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	I hope it will be ok, and I would hope there would not be a lot of theme chaning around/re-writing. --Bri
posted 07-17-2001 12:58 PM PT (US)

Big Bear unregistered	quote: Originally posted by Big Bear: And I think if Tim Burton is okay with it, Danny Elfman will be as well. Okay, Nightmare Before Christmas notwithstanding.
posted 07-17-2001 01:08 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	why would they tinker with something that's gonna make tons of money anyway, whether Elfman's music uses a major chord instead of a minor one? idiots!
posted 07-17-2001 01:19 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	One word for y'all: X-MEN. Dan
posted 07-17-2001 01:50 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	I repeat: idiots!
posted 07-17-2001 02:30 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by JJH: why would they tinker with something that's gonna make tons of money anyway But as FINAL FANTASY showed us, there are no guarantees. Sure, I'm looking forward to the film. But is it really going to attract a mass audience? Doubtful. It is aimed at the SAME audience as FINAL FANTASY - and therefore don't expect too much from the box office. Dan
posted 07-17-2001 02:36 PM PT (US)

Dylan Oscar® Winner	Hmm, I think it's just another rumor. Like the one about Ennio Morricone scoring SW Episode 2 or the one about Jerry Goldsmith scoring Tim Burton's "Planet of the Apes."
posted 07-17-2001 02:49 PM PT (US)

Dylan Oscar® Winner	If it is not a rumor and in fact they are going to change it to make it more like Hans Zimmer's Gladiator, I won't be disapointed. If in fact this is true, I still hope that there will be plenty of darkness, and Herrmann-esq influences in Elfman's score "Apes".
posted 07-17-2001 02:52 PM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	Though I'm looking forward to this film, I don't know what to think. The trailer is definitely cool, but the choral bits at the end with all the fast cuts makes it look to be more of a Sci-Fi Gladiator type deal. I think this is what people are expecting, and if the film isn't like that, it might disappoint. I hope Elfman's score rocks, though. NP: Contact (Silvestri)
posted 07-17-2001 02:52 PM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Oscar® Winner	Actually the Morricone reference was an April Fools joke posted by Roger Feigelson from Intrada. MTV had a special on POTA with an Elfman interview at the scoring stage. You could hardly hear any of his music but what I did hear sounded like jungle music you might hear with apes. It was mostly percussion. Then they had to spend the rest of their time with that stupid re-mix track and give the video a playing. [Message edited by Mark Olivarez on 07-17-2001]
posted 07-17-2001 03:02 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	You know, folks, if you read the full article, there's nothing to indicate that it would be a hoax. And again, when you're shooting re-shoots 3 weeks before the film opens, not only is the film in trouble, but of COURSE the score would have to change - to fit the new footage! Dan
posted 07-17-2001 03:17 PM PT (US)

Richard Oscar® Winner	"they wanted to sell the film as a sci-fi Gladiator" Ugh. I hope they don't. Didn't they try to sell Pearl Harbor as Gladiator in the 1940's and in WWII? I hope that it's just someone not articulating words very well because when a film tries to immitate the success of another then IMHO, it will most likely be bad. Tim Burton films are rarely bad (again IMHO).
posted 07-17-2001 05:55 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	Well, I wasn't planning to pick this up, but this is just another reason not to.
posted 07-17-2001 06:33 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Why worry? It will suck anyway...
posted 07-17-2001 06:45 PM PT (US)

Dylan Oscar® Winner	Oh come on. Danny never fails to deliver a fine score when working with Tim.
posted 07-17-2001 07:48 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	I disagree. Sorry. But it's just my opinion. Don't loose your head.
posted 07-17-2001 07:50 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	It'd be wonderful if people would stop prejudging and assuming before actually hearing/seeing the final product for themselves. Enough with the negativity, folks. Grow up. Jeron
posted 07-17-2001 08:01 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Oscar® Winner	Hey come on Jeron, do we even expect anything more from Andre Lax? You just have to learn to ignore the "bastiche" [Message edited by HadrianD on 07-17-2001]
posted 07-17-2001 08:23 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	It'd be wonderful if people would stop whining and crying everytime someone express his own opinion. Enough with the negativity, folks. Grow up.
posted 07-17-2001 09:02 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by HadrianD: You just have to learn to ignore the "bastiche" Yeah... you too, HadrianaD!
posted 07-17-2001 09:04 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Oscar® Winner	Eh All is fun the art of converse right?
posted 07-17-2001 09:15 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	I don't mind Andre expressing his opinions, nor anyone else for that matter. Funfa is good. I just think it's immature to have preconcieved notions about a film score before you've even heard it. That's my only beef. Jeron
posted 07-17-2001 09:26 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Jeron, it's simple logic.
posted 07-17-2001 09:29 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	LOL, okay you silly Brazillian you... whatever.
posted 07-17-2001 09:40 PM PT (US)

Big Bear unregistered	"My name's Lux and I am a professional firestarter. I serve no purpose but to offer up inflammatory yet wholly inarticulate opinions. After dealing with me, you will have zero doubts about what I like and don't like... I'm not really into anyone but myself, and I sure-as-hell will never consider expanding my horizons or allowing exceptions to the scant few tenets I base my fandom on. Yet somehow, after trading barbs with me, you will still have no clue how I ever arrived at my opinions. That's okay. I don't know either. I'm just being controversial for the sake of being controversial. You may think I dream of a world where everyone agrees with me... heck, I try desperately to tear down any opinions that aren't in 100% agreement with me... but in truth, if such a world existed, I would have no purpose. I would simply disappear."
posted 07-17-2001 11:38 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Grow up. Jeron Well if you say so.... --B NP: Family Man: Danny Elfman
posted 07-18-2001 12:10 AM PT (US)

Lorien Oscar® Winner	There was an encouraging report on another forum from a connected fellow who talked with someone involved with the scoring of the picture. They reassured him that Elfman's score didn't change. The recording sessions ended on July 7th, and this report was filed yesterday. That's a pretty direct paraphrase, as I haven't his permission to quote, but the source is reliable, specifically with Elfman issues, so don't worry everyone. All is good in our little corner. I can confirm that exhibitor screenings planned for this morning were definitely cancelled.
posted 07-18-2001 12:32 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	To clarify on Lorien's post: 1. The other forum was the FILMUS-L mailing list. 2. the connected fellow was Ryan Keaveney, who runs the Elfman "Music for a Darkened People" website (http://elfman.filmmusic.com/) 3. Ryan is usually reliable about these sorts of things. But you know, it really doesn't matter in the end. If Elfman has to change or tweak his score, so be it. Will it affect your thoughts on the score when you hear it with the film? Probably not. And if it does, then you're just adding undue worries and stress to your lives. So, let's take Jeron's advice. Just wait and see! This reminds me of that TOMB RAIDER thread a while back where people were stating that they weren't gonna get the CD, that the score must suck, etc. - all because it was announced that Revell had taken over. Not one not had been heard. Relax, be patient, and make up your own mind when you hear the darn thing. Dan
posted 07-18-2001 12:48 AM PT (US)

Dave Oscar® Winner	Look its moviemusic.com where so called fans bash and trash things they have never heard and act like they know more then anyone on the subject. What a wonderful place to be. dave NP - Silence of the Lambs
posted 07-18-2001 12:50 AM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=9594 Sigh of relief, hope this guy is right.
posted 07-18-2001 02:25 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Hasta: Sigh of relief, hope this guy is right. Well, it was just one person's opinion.... Dan
posted 07-18-2001 07:06 AM PT (US)

Quill Oscar® Winner	Uh...oh...Luxor is telling someone to grow up. Bwha..ha...ha...Strike up some ominous, yet oddly psychotic music. Dear Andre...I think the point was...how can you have such a strong opinion about a score you've never heard. That's bad medicine my friend.
posted 07-18-2001 08:30 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Quill: how can you have such a strong opinion about a score you've never heard Well, because he doesn't like "Donuts Elfman", and so why would his opinion change now? Dan
posted 07-18-2001 08:42 AM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	Dan, one person saying it's good is better than one person saying it's bad NP: A.I. (Williams) ... No score this year comes close [Message edited by Hasta on 07-18-2001]
posted 07-18-2001 12:11 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Hasta: Dan, one person saying it's good is better than one person saying it's Maybe so- it's all psychological at that point. I don't think anyone should say if it's good or bad if they haven't heard the darn thing. Dan
posted 07-18-2001 01:17 PM PT (US)

Vladimir Oscar® Winner	This better not happen!!! I am a huge Elfman fan and for this to happen to him would really be a shame!! I don't think it will though because Burton would not let it. They have worked togeather for ever just not on Ed Wood!!! I hope everything go's smoooth!!! Matt NP Avengers
posted 07-18-2001 01:50 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	You know, at this point whatever was going to happen, has happened. We can't control it, and we don't even know for sure. The film is basically done. The press junket screening was last night; there are screenings over the next week, and then the film is released next Friday. If Elfman made changes, so be it. It doesn't automatically mean it's going to be WORSE than what he had before. We just don't know. Dan
posted 07-18-2001 01:59 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Quill: Uh...oh... Bwha..ha...ha.... It never stop to surprise me how imature and innarticulated most Funfa fans are! One can't even say DONUTS ELFMAN SUCKS these days in peace without getting all these hysterical fanboy jumping like apes... Ups... did I say apes?
posted 07-18-2001 02:08 PM PT (US)

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