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Topic: Spellbound

PeterK

FishChip

This one by Dr. Rozsa is unquestionably one of the most important film scores written in the adolescent years of film music, for various reasons. Unfortunately, that's not what I want to address, as I have another fleeting interest at the moment:For all the serious collectors, which performance of this score (or theme) do you think is the absolute best, all things considered?
The original recording is certainly definitive, however, it lacks in clarity for obvious reasons. I've recently noticed Decca re-released its "Great Hitchcock Movie Thrillers" album for almost nothing. This album mostly contains Herrmann's re-recordings from 1969. However, and to my point, it also has a five minute suite of music from Spellbound conducted by Stanley Black that will absolutely knock your socks off. If listened to loud enough, this thing will re-invigorate any film score fan who may be thinking twice about dumping his relationship with film music.
Any other outstanding performances of the Spellbound theme? The Gerhardt comp features some music from the film, but it is tame when compared with the outstanding performance on this Hitchcock comp. The recording is from 1963, featuring the London Festival Orchestra and Chorus. Whew.
posted 07-10-2001 07:22 PM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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The absolute finest performance of SPELLBOUND I've heard is Elmer Bernstein and the Utah SO on a OOP Varese disc The Music of Miklos Rozsa.This is a 23min. version of the concerto w/two pianos and ondes martenot...
If it doesn't bring tears to your eyes, you are not human.Sean
posted 07-11-2001 09:23 AM PT (US) 
Gae

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I've always enjoyed the 12 minute Spellbound concerto on the "Warsaw Concerto and other Film themes" CD.. Conductor Kenneth Alwyn with the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra. Have a listen to it here
Gae NP Spellbound Concerto
posted 07-11-2001 02:30 PM PT (US) 
James

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I was hoping I could get some more opinions on what recording of this score (or a suite, or the concerto version) I should add to my collection.I am interested exclusively in versions that use an actual theremin... no piano versions, no organ, no synthesizer, not even an ondes martenot. I want the real deal.
My mind boggles in wonder as to why no one has recorded this with Lydia Kavina yet...
Kirk
NP - Martinu: Fantasie for theremin, oboe, piano, and strings. Lydia Kavina, theremin.
posted 01-22-2002 11:12 PM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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I always enjoyed the Gerhardt suite from his compilation Spellbound: Classic Film Scores of Miklos Rozsa. Don't know how authentic it is.
posted 01-23-2002 05:36 AM PT (US) 
PeterD

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Several years ago, I picked up (in a discount bin) a Stanyan CD made in 1988 of the re-recording of the score by Ray Heindorf and the Warner Bros. Studio Orchestra from the 1950s (Dr. Samuel Hoffman on the theramin) that I've been very happy with. Probably hard to find now. One nice thing is that it includes Rozsa's original music for the "Ski Run" sequence, which for some reason Hitchcock or Selznick replaced in the movie with Waxman's music from the car ride finale of Hitchcock's "Suspicion."Oddly, the CD was produced by Rod McKuen, and includes four of his songs, as well as Victor Young's "Roadshow Overture" to "Around the World in 80 Days." A very strange mix.
posted 01-23-2002 06:26 AM PT (US) 
Ken S

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Sony Classical's THE HOLLYWOOD SOUND (or was it THE SOUND OF HOLLYWOOD) with John Williams conducting The London Symphony Orchestra, includes - in my opinion - the most spellbinding SPELLBOUND "Dream Sequence" recording... simply knocks your socks off with its atmospheric, intense, gorgeous "restored" version !! (Funny fact: This specific music highly inspired me in creating THE TOWER OF ORLOCHLESS adventure attraction's atmosphere).In addition to that version I also love the Stanley Black & The London Festival Orchestra version which PeterK already mentioned here - it is a perfect companion to John Williams' FAMILY PLOT with its breathtaking angel chorus.
KENposted 01-23-2002 11:24 AM PT (US) 
Howard L
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What glorious "important" opening credits music! It is a thoroughly entertaining flick filled with witty, at times irreverent dialogue and characters to match; in short, pure Hitchcock. Rozsa composed a lovely theme, all right, and I couldn't care less if it was repeated throughtout the film owing to its power and majesty. It would appear that he viewed it as a romance film and as such the music/main theme accentuated the romantic aspects. I mean who can get tired of hearing beautiful music like that! Quite a contrast to the approach taken by Alfred Newman in his wonderful score to The Snake Pit, but the latter was a totally different take on this new-and-provocative-for-its-time screen tackling of psychoanalysis. Again, however, both Rozsa and Newman plunged you right into the pictures--which also is a reminder of how opening credits music has fast become a lost art.The theremin is now cliched but it wasn't then. Interesting how Rozsa employed it in a blatantly similar manner to his Lost Weekend i.e. Peck's character having a flashback episode in comparison to the onset of Milland's recurring alcoholic binges. But you look at the depth of Lost Weekend's score in contrast to Spellbound's and damned if you don't end up respecting each treatment with the same fervor anyway.
Gotta tell you my two favorite mind images are Peck running downhill in the dream sequence and that of Bergman embracing her cherished (and eccentric!) mentor. Different emotions conveyed, that's for sure, but each quite potent. Stunning moment, too, when Hitchcock cross-cut from Peck skiing downhill to the horrible childhood accident. Stunning...and disturbing.
I too have the Gerhardt highlights LP only but what's there is cherce.
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[Message edited by Howard L on 01-24-2002]
posted 01-24-2002 09:02 AM PT (US) 
James

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Right you are, Howard. I first saw Spellbound only late last year, but the film quickly became one of my favorite Hitchcock films, and the music an object of instant desire.The theremin may seem cliched now, but I wouldn't give up on it's validity in film music just yet. In Ed Wood Howard Shore used it mainly as a tool of parody, but at the same time it becomes interestingly sympathetic to Wood himself. Listen to the subtle fashion in which Shore employs the instrument at the end of "This is the One." I have not heard how Shore used the theremin in eXistenZ, but I am anxious to. In a Shore score for a Cronenberg film, I would imagine the effect is anything but cliched.
If you get the chance, listen to some of the work that has been composed for the theremin in the concert world. I think composers have only barely scratched the surface in terms of what the theremin is capable of in film music.
Thank you, everyone, for the suggestions. I'll start poking around and see what turns up!
Thanks again,
Kirkposted 01-24-2002 10:03 AM PT (US) 
Ken S

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There aren't any clues on Sony Classical's THE HOLLYWOOD SOUND album whether it's the authentic theremin or not on the "Dream Sequence" reconstructed recording - but in any case, the recording is simply PURE MAGIC.
Mr. James Kirk
if you don't have it, GET IT !!
KENposted 01-24-2002 12:25 PM PT (US) 
Howard L
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The theremin may seem cliched now, but I wouldn't give up on it's validity in film music just yet. In Ed Wood Howard Shore used it mainly as a tool of parody...Yes, thank you for pointing out that it is actually a parody thing as opposed to cliche'. I too enjoyed the Shore score (gotta stop doing that) very much for Ed Wood. Another fine theremin-based parody was employed by Mr. Elfman for his Mars Attacks!. But think theremin in the film music pioneering sense it's hard not to think Rozsa or Herrmann. Dimitri Tiomkin used it to a sparing (and chilling) degree in his The Thing, too, around that time.
If you get the chance, listen to some of the work that has been composed for the theremin in the concert world. I think composers have only barely scratched the surface in terms of what the theremin is capable of in film music.
Some TV or print newsmagazine outfit did a whole piece on this subject, can't recall how long ago. You have whetted my appetite further.
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[Message edited by Howard L on 01-24-2002]
posted 01-24-2002 02:42 PM PT (US) 
James

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Well, Mr. L, here's where you should start. Rent the 1993 documentary Theremin: An Electronic Odyssey, a genuinely fascinating look into the life of Leon Theremin and his instrument. The true story takes just as many strange twists and turns as any film you have ever seen. It sent me into an instant obsession with the "aetherphon."
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posted 01-24-2002 08:27 PM PT (US) 
perfpitch

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The Stanyan CD was reissued a year or two ago; you should be able to find a copy without too much trouble.It's not at all surprising that Rod McKuen produced the album: he OWNS Stanyan.
The Bernstein-Utah Symphony Orch. recording, which also features selections from Rozsa's scores to THE WORLD, THE FLESH, AND THE DEVIL and BECAUSE OF HIM, and the "New England Concerto" from TIME OUT OF MIND (Varese VCD 47226) IS the recording to get. The only problem is that the Ondes Martenot is NO SUBSTITUTE for the Theremin. Bernstein loves the damn thing, and it's featured in a lot of his own scores, but it totally lacks the eerie subtlety of the Theremin.
(It should be mentioned, though, that Rozsa had wanted to bring the Ondes and its inventor, Dr. Maurice Martenot, to London, so that his instrument could accompany the Djinni's flights in THE THIEF OF BAGDAD (1940), but when it came time to record the score, Dr. Martenot was in a bunker somewhere along the Maginot Line, helping to defend France from the invading Nazis. As such, electronic instruments' introduction to film-scoring had to wait five years, until THE LOST WEEKEND and SPELLBOUND.)
[Message edited by perfpitch on 01-25-2002]
posted 01-25-2002 02:18 AM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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We discussed this in chat last week, but can anyone tell me, conclusively, IS the Gerhardt RCA CD SPELLBOUND oop and hard to find? I know it's not as elusive as the Tiomkin recording, but is it up there?????I agree with perf...the Bernstein 22min. concerto for duo pianos and ondes martenot is the way to go....one of the most passionate readings of any work in my mind, this music truly soars...again, a shame that disc is very hard to find, although some of the other cues from the album were reissued by Citadel recently.
Sean
posted 01-25-2002 04:00 PM PT (US) 
El Cid
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quote:
Originally posted by OHMSS76:
We discussed this in chat last week, but can anyone tell me, conclusively, IS the Gerhardt RCA CD SPELLBOUND oop and hard to find? I know it's not as elusive as the Tiomkin recording, but is it up there?????No, it's in print.
quote:
Originally posted by OHMSS76:
I agree with perf...the Bernstein 22min. concerto for duo pianos and ondes martenot is the way to go....one of the most passionate readings of any work in my mind, this music truly soars...again, a shame that disc is very hard to find, although some of the other cues from the album were reissued by Citadel recently.I wonder why Citadel doesn't reissue the rest of the material.
posted 01-25-2002 07:11 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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Let us not forget Flapper Records, Music of MR, a CD transfer of 40s 78s of Spellbound cues, theremin and all. I think they're re-records rather than orig. but conducted by MR and w/Hoffmann on the "wig box."If any score could use a great re-record of the complete thing, it would be this.
posted 01-25-2002 08:40 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

Which orchestra would you like to see re-record this one, Lou?
posted 01-25-2002 08:41 PM PT (US) 
James

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I'm not Lou, but I'll answer that question anyhow.Either the Sinfonia of London or the Philharmonia. Bruce Broughton at the helm. And, most importantly, Lydia Kavina at the theremin.
The type of theremin used could also be significant. If they were really trying to recreate the sound of the original recording, then an original RCA theremin would be ideal. But I'd leave that up to Lydia; she's the expert.

Kirk
NP - Glass: Funeral from Akhnatenposted 01-25-2002 11:23 PM PT (US) 
James

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Has this one been mentioned? If not (or even if so), does anyone know what it is?
posted 01-25-2002 11:35 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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I have around 30 different versions of this in some form or another. Many good versions. My two favorites are:1. the Stanyan LP/Cd version
2. that Varese Bernstein conducted one with the two pianos and Utah Symphony, wow what a version. From the part of the "train" to the end is dynamite. The ending is superb. Although, not following the film that closely, a great suite. The train and ski run piece is fantastic.I have several others that are good too, many of those above are good too. Best, John.
oh yes, question above-yes its the original one and its on some of those listed. John
posted 01-26-2002 05:19 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
