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    Topic:   WINDTALKERS Trailer Music

     scoreguy15
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    Does anyone know what music this is?! It is so dramatic!

    Clayton

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    posted 07-07-2001 12:08 PM PT (US)     

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    I agree Clayton. Hopefully it's a taste of the score but I seriously doubt it

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    posted 07-07-2001 12:25 PM PT (US)     

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    LOL!!! Taste of the score????

    Yeah right! No way could that be James Horner; it sounds like a spin-off on Hans Zimmer's music.

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    posted 07-07-2001 01:46 PM PT (US)     

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    It's not anything from Horner's score - he still hasn't recorded anything so far!

    I'm trying to find out what music was used; even my friend working on the film doesn't know!

    As soon as I find out, it will be entered into the Trailer Music Database.

    Dan

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    posted 07-07-2001 03:14 PM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    After reading this thread I decided to go back and take another look at the trailer. Jesus Christ does this movie look bad. You know what? I liked Face/Off a ton, but if it were up to be John Woo would be deported. After recently viewing Mission: Impossible 2 a second time, I simply can't say enough on how atrocious it was. Windtalkers looks no different. I'm sorry, Mr. Woo, but we DO NOT need these MOTHER FU*CKING slow motion shots in every film that you do. Your style is stale now old man, and you need to start maturing. He's worse than Michael Bay, if you ask me. Even worse, this is a WAR film. War scenes don't look COOL when in slow motion, they look cheap and stupid. I've only read one review so far, it was pretty negative basically saying this film is one cliche after another, and it doesn't surprise me one bit. If I do end up seeing this film (which is likely), the only reasons will be because I actually do like Nicholas Cage and Christian Slater (one of the few)... Oh yes, I'll be interested with what Horner is going to do with the project as well. As far as the music in the trailer, it's as inappropriate as the scenes it's glorifying... That said, out of context it still sounds pretty dang good and, like sean said, very similar to that of something Zimmer would compose.

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    posted 07-07-2001 03:35 PM PT (US)     

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    I agree with you on how all his films look alike, but I think this film will be very good. I also think that Simon West's films have the same style as the other ones too. But I don't think deporting him has anything to do with anything. And spazzing ain't gonna fix it.

    Clayton

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    posted 07-07-2001 05:25 PM PT (US)     

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    If you don't like his movies, don't go to see them. Simple as that.

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    posted 07-07-2001 05:58 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    from a June 2000 Premiere interview:

    JOHN WOO:
    "I love my actors. I always relate to my hero. I shoot everyone with love....I think all actors have some kind of beauty: sometimes in action, sometimes in drama, sometimes in the face, sometimes from the heart....Every actor gets a different treatement. When I shoot Chow Yun-Fat, I know his specialty: His eyes are very charming, very dramatic, so I focus always on his eyes....John Travolta is such a pleasant man....When I look at him, I see a dancer. So I use a lot of camera movement to capture his joyful character....

    When I'm working on a scene I have the whole thing in my mind: the action, the tempo. When I'm shooting, I know exactly what I need for every shot, every setup, and also about the speed of the camera--which angles use double speed, which ones use slow motion. I also listen to music--the music tells me the time....I usually shoot every angle at every speed to get whatever we get, then work on editing it together to get the real timing. Sometimes it depends on the actors. Some actors are good in slow motion, some not. Some you want to see them fast, like Jackie Chan: Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow! That's his real character....There's no reason to use slow motion. For Chow, Cruise, Travolta, or Cage, their moves are so elegant, the only way to show them in an elegant way onscreen is in slow motion. Each different actor has a different speed. Some actors are good for 120 frames in slow motion, some are good at 96 frames, some for 60 frames....Cruise is 120 frames, because his action is so beautiful. Cage, sometimes 60, sometimes 96. He's like a ballet dancer. His figure is so slim and strong. When he moves, you slow down a little bit. Travolta is 96. Chow Yun-Fat, also 120--he's good at any speed....

    Sometimes I want to capture an unforgettable moment, so I use slow motion. American actors can be too subtle and fast; if I find that great moemnt, I want to hold it longer. So I usually set up two cameras--one at normal speed, one slightly slow motion, 60 frames--and I don't let the actor know. "

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    posted 07-07-2001 08:54 PM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    Woo must think his films are FILLED with unforgettable moments, since he uses slow motion to the utmost extreme every time. UFCKevin, what was the purpose of your post? That's right, there wasn't a purpose. I don't like his American films (save Face/Off), yet I will continue to see his new ones. Why? The odd chance I "will" like them. If you don't see any film by a director simply because you haven't liked his previous stuff, you might be missing out.

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    posted 07-08-2001 12:54 AM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    On a similar topic, saw Kiss of the Dragon last night (Armstrong's score was good), and the Planet of the Apes trailer was there. I've seen this one quite a bit lately, but does anybody know that choral piece at the end that moves really fast as the scenes just keep cutting and cutting?

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    posted 07-08-2001 02:54 PM PT (US)     

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Hasta:
    [ I'm sorry, Mr. Woo, but we DO NOT need these MOTHER FU*CKING slow motion shots in every film that you do. Your style is stale now old man, and you need to start maturing. He's worse than Michael Bay, if you ask me. Even worse, this is a WAR film. War scenes don't look COOL when in slow motion, they look cheap and stupid.

    Really? Then I guess as far as war films go, according to your theory, GLORY, THIN RED LINE and SAVING PRIVATE RYAN all "look cheap and stupid" for they all have slow motion shots during the battle scenes.

    The other thing is, as evidenced by the posted PREMIERE article, John Woo has defined and defended his "style" This is his style, the style that made him stand out as a director, a style that has often been imitated. And you want him to give it up? Would you have asked Kubrick to give up his lockdown, symmetrical, long panning, style? Why not? Because of a name . Because it is Kubrick. Now I like this director's work as well, but I'll tell you what, I'd watch a Woo film in a heartbeat before watching 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY. And I think most people would agree with me on this, even the biggest film afficianados.

    And I'll say this, too. Woo's MISSION IMPOSSIBLE creamed the first DePalma mess, in my opinion.


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    posted 07-08-2001 03:08 PM PT (US)     

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    Lightborn:

    There is a HUGE difference between the slow motions shots in Glory, The Thin Red Line, and Saving Private Ryan when compared to those in the Windtalkers trailer. If you can't tell a difference well, I'm sorry. Even so, I've seen The Thin Red Line many, many times and hardly ever does Mallick resort to such a low level. Hell, I don't even remember a particular war scene where he does incorporate slow motion... I know there might be shots here and there, but I think it's proof that I, who have seen the film several times and rank it as one of my favorites, don't even remember a particular shot when slow motion was used. As far as Glory goes, once again... I rank it as one of my favorite films, but any slow motion that was used I cannot remember... The scene I DO remember, however, was the slow-mo shot at the very end when the bodies were being thrown on top of each other... Which is why some of these films might put SOME slow motion in there, for dramatic purposes. Woo obviously does it all for flash, at least lately, and it looks ridiculous. The Windtalkers trailer is proof of that. I haven't seen De Palma's M:I for quite a while, but I can't imagine it being as pitiful as Woo's... By the way, did Woo go so over budget on the film that he couldn't afford an editor? It sure looks like it.

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    posted 07-08-2001 03:49 PM PT (US)     

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    From same Premiere interview:

    PREMIERE:
    Editing whiz Stuart Baird has been brought in to help you meet your deadline?

    JOHN WOO:
    Yes...[Baird] just tightened everything. This is normal procedure. He has very good eyes; just moving some of the scenes or tightening some of the scenes can make it more dramatic....No matter how many changes there have been, I still kept my own style. A lot of the scenes are just what I expected. Sometimes story points needed to be explained a little more clearly. We did some changes; Tom [Cruise] added some dialogue to explain a little bit. In general I'm still pretty happy with the final cut.

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    posted 07-08-2001 04:07 PM PT (US)     

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    Hasta, in The Thin Red Line, Malick used slow-motion shots most effectively. Especially, when John Cusack's character leads a team of soldiers to capture Hill 210. When Doll loses it and charges the Japanese positions, he retreats when they throw grenades back at him in retaliation, and as the grenades explode Doll jumps over one of the massive rocks; the low-angle shot of Doll flying through the air over the rock, with the trailing debris is in slow motion. IMO, this is one of the best shots in the entire film. So Hasta, you've seen TTRL so many times and you can't remember that moment??? LOL!!

    I own the DVD but I haven't watched the film since sometimes last summer. BTW, Windtalkers looks amazing; it's about phucking time someone made a film about Native Americans fighting in the Second World War or any war for that matter.

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    posted 07-08-2001 06:54 PM PT (US)     

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    I must admit that first of all, I haven't seen the trailer for WINDTALKERS, yet. I've only read about it. And yes, the subject matter is great. It's about time someone did a film celebrating the Native American contribution to this country.

    Now, the second thing is we cannot rely on trailers solely to give us an accurate idea of what a movie will end up as. How many times have you watched a trailer that was executed very well and it ended up that the movie was horrible. Most recent example I can think of is TOMB RAIDER. Now what about vice versa. Most recent example: SNATCH. I just bought the DVD this weekend and watched , not the trailer albeit, but the UK teaser and if I had seen this alone instead of the American trailer I would have had very low expectations for this movie that I absolutely and truely love. So we can't just judge based solely on trailers.

    Next...the proof is in the pudding. I always like to back myself up with facts, specifically stated if I am able. Unfortunately, I am sitting in the dark now reliant upon my reserve battery power of my laptop due to an electrical storm (which interrupted my first viewing of Billy Bob Thornton's ALL THE PRETTY HORSES) and thus I cannot cite scenes accurately, but here goes.

    One example of slow motion has already been commented on from THIN RED LINE. I know that during the initial attack there is a couple shots of guys running in their approach with explosions occuring right near them as Elias Koteas watches in horror. This is all in slow motion. I believe there are birds rising up out of the grass in these shots, too. In GLORY, I know when Colonel Shaw (Matthew Broderick) gets shot , he continues running in slow motion and then, after the last bullet hits him, slides down the dune in slow motion. I believe in the beginning, at the battle of Antietem, that Union soldiers head explodes in slow motion. Quick slow motion, but slow motion nevertheless. In SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, the harrowing first beach attack created great tension from when Tom Hanks seems to lose his focus and hearing as he looks around watching a soldier pick up his arm in slow motion, soldiers being engulfed in flame from an exploding flame throwing pack in slow motion and guys screaming in slow motion. This occurs again at the end when they make their final stand at the bridge as Tom Hanks calls to Tom Sizemore's character, (who is dead )and he looks around to see his men being overtaken by the Germans. They beat a guy to death, Matt Damon holding his knees and screaming. Don't you remember these scenes, Hasta??? They're movie history, all done in slow motion and all effective.

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    posted 07-08-2001 07:52 PM PT (US)     

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    Slow motion can be very effective. However, the speed of a picture in a trailer is varied. Example, Titanic. When Rose is "flying" (ya, the drugs she uses has that effect on people). They sped it up to make it fit in the trailer. If they can speed it up, they can slow it down too. So these slow shots in Windtalkers could be normal speed. But I am sure there are slow motion shots and they probably look fine in the film. BUT DON'T DIS IT 'TIL YOU'VE TRIED IT! I think that the point of the posts of quotes from Woo is to show his thoughts on the style of his films.
    Clayton

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    posted 07-08-2001 08:08 PM PT (US)     

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    Lightborne, I didn't say that there wasn't any slow motion in the films, I just said I couldn't recall the specific scenes... Either way, the slow motion is obviously used in different ways when comparing Glory/TTRL to Woo... With woo, it gives off a whole cheesy feel if used too much (which is all too often)... The same could be said for Michael Bay, the slow mo seems to be there only because the scene would actually look weak without it. I do like SOME of the shots Woo uses, even some in MI2... That said, he still highly overused it... Still, even if Woo had limited the slow-mo on that film it wouldn't have been any better. Windtalkers makes me cringe because almost the WHOLE trailer is in slow motion. Guy throwing grenade, guy dying, etc... It all looks very flashy, hardly something we need for a war film.

    Oh yes, if there is any movie that showed slow motion shouldn't be in war films, it's The Patriot.

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    posted 07-08-2001 10:48 PM PT (US)     

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    And Hasta, that amazing shot in The Thin Red Line: when the soldiers are running up the hill with mortart explosions surrounding them, a blue butterfly momentairily glides accross the screen which is only noticed in the slow-motion technique used in that shot; showing off one of Malick's main points of nature's survival through the chaos of human nature. lol, war sems to happen so much that it might as well be called a natural occurance!

    Trailer can be decieving too with the slow-mootion shots. IF I remember correctly, some of the shots on the trailer for John Woo's Hard Boiled, some of the shots are slowed down or even sped up to either speed up the trailer or get the proper feeling needed to be captured in a 3min trailer.


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    posted 07-09-2001 09:56 AM PT (US)     

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    My personal favorite scene from TTRL was when Journey To The Line was playing! It was so f'n dramatic and well shot! Best damn part in the entire movie!

    Clayton

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    posted 07-09-2001 09:19 PM PT (US)     
     

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