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André Lux Oscar® Winner	Well, not me for sure! He is obviously one of the finest. But the other day I was talking to some friends who consider themselves to be "movie music enthusiasts" when we started to talk about these hacks we are forced to hear from time to time. Hanzimmer, Donuts Elfman, Trevor Rabinho, Brad Fiedel and some others pop out naturally. But them, sudenly, both started to bash HOWARD SHORE!!?? I was shocked! "But what about SEVEN, THE FLY, SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, LOOKING FOR RICHARD, DEAD RINGERS, M. BUTTERFLY, SCANNERS, NOBODY`S FOOL, THE CELL, ED WOOD (not by coincidence the best score for a Tim Burton movie to date) etc, etc..." I argued, but with no sucess. The guys just twisted their noses to all these scores! Who else can't dig HOWARD SHORE's outstanding art and doesn'st feel embarrassed to admit?
posted 06-22-2001 01:02 PM PT (US)

Big Bear unregistered	quote: Originally posted by André Lux: Hanzimmer, Donuts Elfman, Trevor Rabinho, Brad Fiedel and some... I'm disappointed! Doesn't Brad Fiedel get a patented Lux name-raping? [Message edited by Big Bear on 06-22-2001]
posted 06-22-2001 01:07 PM PT (US)

Probable Oscar® Winner	I really enjoy a lot of Shore's work. No complaints here.
posted 06-22-2001 01:07 PM PT (US)

sean Oscar® Winner	Just like how you twist anything people say about Hans Zimmer that's remotely positive. [Message edited by sean on 06-22-2001]
posted 06-22-2001 01:10 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Big Bear: Doesn't Brad Fiedel get a patented Lux name-raping? No. Only still active hacks get name-raping. Clear?
posted 06-22-2001 01:11 PM PT (US)

Big Bear unregistered	quote: Originally posted by André Lux: Clear? What? Are you zapping someone with a defibrulator?
posted 06-22-2001 01:20 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Maybe. Do you feel dizzy already?
posted 06-22-2001 01:25 PM PT (US)

Soundtracker Oscar® Winner	Shore is a master!! And soon we will listen Lord of the Rings!
posted 06-23-2001 07:19 PM PT (US)

Big Bear unregistered	Amen to that! Until December, I will be waiting with baited breath.
posted 06-24-2001 12:10 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Me too! It will be great!
posted 06-25-2001 08:33 AM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	I predict Howard Shore will become a household name when Christmas arrives. this will do for him what Jaws and Star Wars did for John Williams. well, maybe. I'm probably full of it.
posted 06-25-2001 09:42 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Hehehehehe...!
posted 01-15-2002 11:41 AM PT (US)

OHMSS76 Oscar® Winner	Well....is Fiedel active again yet? How about Castro Fiedel? S~
posted 01-15-2002 11:44 AM PT (US)

OHMSS76 Oscar® Winner	Ps....Shore is an f'ing genius, and I'm glad to say I was on that bandwagon before it was the 'in' thing. I was a Shore fan when he was doing the Howard Shore All Nurse Band on SNL in '79!(thanks to the miracle of reruns in the 80's) Wanna get really irritated? Go read Filmtracks, where they bash Shore quite a bit,and trot out the worst descriptive word I can imagine....boring Sean
posted 01-15-2002 11:46 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	I don't get irritated with all those kids anylonger, Sean. They only amuses the hell out of me! You have to consider that most of them entered a movie theater for the first time to see CON AIR... What else would one expect coming from such people???
posted 01-15-2002 11:57 AM PT (US)

Kimiakane Oscar® Winner	Andre...I post there. Okay, granted I post at all three sites, and I'm more of a visitor there, but still... there's no place like home, is there?
posted 01-15-2002 01:13 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	He's not a composer I generally like, but select scores of his I do enjoy. I am more a fan of melodic and lyrical scores so many of his minimalist's scores don't click for me as a stand alone listen. I did like LOTR:FOTR, Dogma and Mrs. Doubtfire. Se7en and others in that mode just didn't work for me.
posted 01-15-2002 01:52 PM PT (US)

Lightborne Oscar® Winner	I think Shore is a different breed of composer for this reason: His work is not really playable (in other people's opinions) as album material. I like a lot of his stuff, but he is no Williams or Goldsmith with instantly recognizable and bombastic themes. This scares people away. He is more subtle. But what people, like the ones you talked to, Lux, won't admit is how perfect Shore's music fits like a friggin' puzzle piece in the movie he is scoring. He seems like a composer who is entirely aware of the tone and story of a movie and thus, humbly becomes married to the visuals of that movie. SILENCE OF THE LAMBS and SE7EN are great examples of this. If these movies had any different score, but the one they have, the movie itself would be destoyed. This goes for FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING, as well. That in my eyes is his strength and perfection.
posted 01-15-2002 05:00 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	You've said it all, Lightborne!
posted 01-15-2002 05:17 PM PT (US)

Chris Kinsinger Oscar® Winner	"SILENCE OF THE LAMBS and SE7EN are great examples of this. If these movies had any different score, but the one they have, the movie itself would be destoyed." While I do like Shore's work, I find this particular statement to be an exaggeration. Do you really believe that a John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, John Barry (etc.), score for either of these films would have DESTROYED them utterly? Doubtful. They would still be memorable films, just with different music. I agree that an inappropriate musical score can do damage to a film. I disagree that it has the power to destroy a great film. That's simply not true, in my never-to-be-humble opinion.
posted 01-15-2002 06:03 PM PT (US)

sabbey Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Lightborne: I think Shore is a different breed of composer for this reason: His work is not really playable (in other people's opinions) as album material. I like a lot of his stuff, but he is no Williams or Goldsmith with instantly recognizable and bombastic themes. This scares people away. He is more subtle. So, his music takes intelligence and patience to enjoy! Hmmm... In short, it takes brains. Something, in a very short quantity by the mass populace! Oh well... Regards, Sean Robert Abbey
posted 01-15-2002 06:21 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	They may work fine in the films, but I usually listen to scores away from the film, so for me, a stand alone experience is quite important to whether I want to own and listen to a score. I have the complete se7en and I have listened to it three times and while I agree that it was marvelous in the film, it did little for me in the CD player. I have the same problem with many well respected scores. As an example, Goldsmith’s Planet of the Apes does little for me away from the film. So it’s not just Shore. So if I have to answer the question, “do I like Howard Shore’s work overall?” I have to say Yes…and No.
posted 01-15-2002 08:24 PM PT (US)

Nicolai P. Zwar Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Chris Kinsinger: [b]"SILENCE OF THE LAMBS and SE7EN are great examples of this. If these movies had any different score, but the one they have, the movie itself would be destoyed." While I do like Shore's work, I find this particular statement to be an exaggeration. Do you really believe that a John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, John Barry (etc.), score for either of these films would have DESTROYED them utterly? Doubtful. They would still be memorable films, just with different music. I agree that an inappropriate musical score can do damage to a film. I disagree that it has the power to destroy a great film. That's simply not true, in my never-to-be-humble opinion.[/B] Oh, I beg to differ. LADYHAWKE really was destroyed for me because of its unfitting music. The first time I ever watched the movie -- which wasn't without potential -- I could only stand twenty minutes of it and couldn't bear to watch any more of it. Music is among the most powerful elements in a movie, and while a great score may not be able to save a totally wretched movie, a wretched score actually can ruin an otherwise good movie, if the score is just bad (or unfitting) enough.
posted 01-16-2002 08:32 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Chris Kinsinger: [BDo you really believe that a John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, John Barry (etc.), score for either of these films would have DESTROYED them utterly? [/B] Goldsmith? Probably not. But Williams or Barry, yes. Sorry, but we just have to face that Howard Shore is one of the best REAL music composers working on movies these days. Too bad only now he is getting the recognition he deserved a long time ago... Even if some obtuse people refuse to admit it.
posted 01-16-2002 02:52 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Nicolai P. Zwar: Oh, I beg to differ. LADYHAWKE really was destroyed for me because of its unfitting music. Perfectly stated, Nicolai. The same thing happened to GLADIATOR and THE PEACEMAKER, two average movies that could have been much better without Hanzimmer awful noise. And the list goes on...
posted 01-16-2002 02:55 PM PT (US)

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