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Big Bear
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Just curious about something, here... the new, great sounding Basic Instinct set got me thinking.I don't know about anyone else, but it seems to me that we are living in a Golden Age for film score releases (and bootlegs, too, I suppose). Over the last ten years, I have seen my want list dwindle away to a scant few unreleased scores.
So what would everyone wish for out there? There are bound to be more if I put my mind to it, but offhand, all I can think of are:
Temple of Doom (complete) - Williams
Conan The Barbarian (complete, with decent sound por favor... not that awful boot that's out there) - Basil Poledouris
Anyone else? And I don't want a huge list of scores that are unreleased... God knows there are plenty... I want scores that you really want to hear personally.
posted 06-15-2001 06:23 PM PT (US) 
Big Bear
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I know I'm gonna get it for this, but I also would really enjoy a 2CD of Zimmer's Gladiator, without any annoying dialogue.There's just a lot of unreleased stuff that never made it on either album, and it would be nice to hear it all chronologically (for once).
posted 06-15-2001 06:34 PM PT (US) 
John Dunham

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The Road To El Dorado, Zimmer/PowellThis is the only score on my "most wanted" list that is not available in any reasonably complete form. I already have the twelve minutes on the soundtrack CD, but man, I wish I had the rest.

posted 06-15-2001 06:35 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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My favorite score by the factory known as James Horner, Sneakers. Somebody must have a boot of this one! All the original stuff was left off the album!Shaun
posted 06-15-2001 07:04 PM PT (US) 
Stephen Lister

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It certainly is a great time for film music. My “dream” list has been gradually chiselled down too, but there’s still rather a lot of mouth-watering stuff I’d love to have before I kick the bucket. (I’ve posted this list a couple of times before, so apologies if it’s boringly familiar).John Scott: BILLY TWO HATS.
George Duning: THE DEVIL AT 4 O’CLOCK.
David Shire: FAREWELL MY LOVELY.
Michael Small: THE POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS TWICE.
Elmer Bernstein: HEAVY METAL, FIVE DAYS ONE SUMMER.
David Newman: MALONE.
Philippe Sarde: LE CHOC.
Laurence Rosenthal: RETURN OF A MAN CALLED HORSE.
John Barry: THE WHITE BUFFALO.
Lalo Schifrin: THE PRESIDENT’S ANALYST, HARRY IN YOUR POCKET, JOE KIDD.
Dominic Frontiere: BRANNIGAN, THE TRAIN ROBBERS, CHISUM.
Jerry Fielding: THE OUTFIT, SUPERCOPS, THE ENFORCER.
Jerry Goldsmith: VON RYAN’S EXPRESS, SHAMUS, FINAL CONFLICT (better sound), THE DETECTIVE, THE SAND PEBBLES (complete), THE CHAIRMAN (complete and better sound), RANSOM (ditto), LOGAN’S RUN (ditto), TV movies like PURSUIT and CROSSCURRENT.
John Williams: TEMPLE OF DOOM (complete), BLACK SUNDAY (with the climactic track and the end titles, please), HEARTBEEPS.
Billy Goldenberg: DUEL, BUSTING, assorted TV movies.
Gil Melle: THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR, FRANKENSTEIN THE TRUE STORY, THE SAVAGE IS LOOSE, assorted TV movies.
Stanley Myers: THE MARTIAN CHRONICLES, SITTING TARGET.
John Addison: CENTENNIAL.
David Hentschel: OPERATION DAYBREAK.
Francis Lai: HOUSE OF CARDS, THE GAMES.
Michel Legrand: CASTLE KEEP.
Michael J.Lewis: 11 HARROWHOUSE (complete), THE MAN WHO HAUNTED HIMSELF.posted 06-15-2001 08:54 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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Sonrisal Colesterol's CONCERTO PARA ZABUMBA E BERIMBAU #12
posted 06-15-2001 09:15 PM PT (US) 
BMikeJ

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quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:[b]Conan The Barbarian (complete, with decent sound por favor... not that awful boot that's out there) - Basil Poledouris
[/B]
This score was recorded under pretty poor circumstances, if memory serves. I would rather have a new recording of the complete score. I remember reading in an interview with Basil that he wasn't happy with the original recording and that he wanted to rerecord it at some point.
posted 06-15-2001 09:18 PM PT (US) 
BMikeJ

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quote:
Originally posted by Stephen Lister:John Scott: BILLY TWO HATS.
David Newman: MALONE.
Philippe Sarde: LE CHOC.
John Barry: THE WHITE BUFFALO.
Jerry Fielding: THE OUTFIT, SUPERCOPS, THE ENFORCER.
Jerry Goldsmith...
Michel Legrand: CASTLE KEEP.
Michael J.Lewis: 11 HARROWHOUSE (complete), THE MAN WHO HAUNTED HIMSELF.Nice list, Steven. I'm going to run through some of these composers briefly.
John Scott. Never heard of Billy Two Hats. What was it?
David Newman, Malone. This one is around, privately. It definitely needs to get a release. A great score laced with Americana.
Philippe Sarde, Le Choc. I think some of this just turned up on a Rififi compilation from France. Check Intrada's website.
John Barry, White Buffalo. A great score... Not very long, though. I doubt there's more than 20 minutes. I'd love a suite of it. One of his best end credits cues. I keep hoping it will get rerecorded by Silva.
Jerry Fielding. I would love to get Gray Lady Down...
Jerry Goldsmith. I still keep hoping someone will turn up something on The Salamander.
Michel Legrande. How about his music for Wuthering Heights? That would be nice to have on a CD...
Michael J. Lewis. I thought 11 Harrowhouse was complete on the promo. Is there much missing?
posted 06-15-2001 09:36 PM PT (US) 
Rang
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quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:
[b]Temple of Doom (complete) - Williams[/B]One of my favorites (more than likely it is my favorite) that I'd love to see get the expanded treatment. THE LAST CRUSADE would be near the top, too.
Another Williams score I'd love to have released is FAMILY PLOT.
Goldsmith's THE ILLUSTRATED MAN would be extremely welcomed.
Those four come to mind right now... but there are many, many more...
posted 06-15-2001 09:43 PM PT (US) 
Big Bear
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quote:
Originally posted by BMikeJ:
I would rather have a new recording of the complete score (to CONAN).I agree that the mix / performance on the OST was lacking, but for me there is no substitute for the original tracks.
But I am not putting down the notion of a rerecording... I'd lay down money for that in a second, too.
posted 06-16-2001 12:48 AM PT (US) 
JJH

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Spartacus, Alex North
The Shoes of the Fisherman, Alex North
The Tall Men, Victor Young
Mutiny on the Bounty, Bronislau Kaper...really needs to be re-mastered in a big way.
posted 06-16-2001 12:55 AM PT (US) 
Big Bear
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Good call with Spartacus... the complete 3CD bootleg's sound leaves a lot to be desired. I wish Varese could crack that one open the way they nailed Cleopatra.
posted 06-16-2001 01:17 AM PT (US) 
Stephen Lister

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BMikeJ ...BILLY TWO HATS is a Western from the 70s, set in New Mexico ... and filmed in Israel! It stars Gregory Peck and Desi Arnaz Jr as two outlaws on the run. Peck's character is Scottish (like the writer of the screenplay, Alan Sharp) and Arnaz is a half-breed Indian. Scott's music is very nice, though there's not a lot of it. The main theme (best heard during the end credits) has a very subtle Scottish lilt to it, and is lovely. One of the highlights of the score is a chase sequence shot against the dying sun, and Scott combines acoustic guitar and orchestra to very exciting effect. Generally, the score is introspective, like the movie.
WUTHERING HEIGHTS. Yes, forgot about this one. Definitely one of Legrand's best. I have the old LP, and would love to hear the music without the snap crackle and pop.
11 HARROWHOUSE. The only music I know for certain is missing from the promo is the exciting climactic car chase. It's the highlight of the score, shifting gears and styles amazingly well, from the orchestral accompaniment for the horsemen galloping after Charles Grodin and Candice Bergen's van, to the electric guitar and drums that represent Lady Whatsername's Porsche (or whatever it is). HUGE disappointment it's missing. In the film, this music is mixed low AND it's competing with Grodin's droll voiceover, so it's hard to get a decent tape dub. I thought the music for the actual robbery (when the diamonds are being hoovered into the van) was missing too, but now I'm pretty certain it's the CD track "Sunrise."
posted 06-16-2001 09:16 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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There's a lot left. Just a few that I haven't seen mentioned above (though I might have missed some):- Young Sherlock Holmes (Broughton)
- Spaceballs (Morris - a release with more than 7 minutes of score)
- Disney's Robin Hood (?)
- Great Train Robbery (Goldsmith, complete)
- The Final Conflict (Goldsmith, remastered)
- Jurassic Park (Williams, some nice stuff is missing from the existing album)
- Phantom Menace (Williams, a truly ultimate edition has still to be done)
NP: Lawrence of Arabia (Maurice Jarre)
posted 06-16-2001 12:58 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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My list's the same as Stephen's. He mentioned Gil Melle! What wonderful scores that man wrote. Frankenstein The True Story and The Ultimate Warrior are absolutely amazingly spine-tingling, as is another one Stephen didn't mention: The Sentinel.I wrote to Gil Melle asking him about the possibility of releasing some of these things, but I haven't had an answer as yet. He's maybe too busy with his microscope collection or three-dimensional painting or designing garden fences (he does all of that and more besides).
Seems appropriate now to quote an epigram of Martial, translated loosely from the Latin:
"I wrote you a letter,
You never replied,
That I put on the debit side,
But then again I'm sure you read it,
And that I must put down to credit."posted 06-16-2001 01:38 PM PT (US) 
Hasta
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I'd most definitely have to agree with John Dunham here... THE ROAD TO EL DORADO needs some sort of larger release, whether it be official or bootleg. Obviously there will never be an official one since the film tanked, but hopefully a bootleg will pop up. There was an 18 minute bootleg released recently John, however there was NOTHING worthwhile outside of what was basically 3 tracks cut up from the original last track on the commercial release. Someday, someday...
posted 06-16-2001 02:05 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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I'm still not sure how much music John Barry wrote for White Buffalo?...it was well documented that the score was butchered and placed in scenes that were not originally written for!
posted 06-16-2001 06:44 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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quote:
Originally posted by BMikeJ:
This score was recorded under pretty poor circumstances, if memory serves. I would rather have a new recording of the complete score. I remember reading in an interview with Basil that he wasn't happy with the original recording and that he wanted to rerecord it at some point.Haven't most of the original elements been lost anyway? I think somebody mentioned recently in another thread that lost tapes were one of the reasons why the Conan DVD didn't have an isolated score track. I'd love to hear a good re-recording of this. While they're at it, The Wind and the Lion needs a good re-recording, too.

In my humble opinion, Varese's Conan the Barbarian sounds OK. I wouldn't use it to show off a new sound system, but it sounds better than Inchon...
posted 06-16-2001 10:50 PM PT (US) 
Big Bear
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quote:
Originally posted by jonathan_little:
Haven't most of the original elements been lost anyway?That's certainly one of the stories floating around as to why there was no isolated score on the Conan DVD. Honestly, and I have heard this from other people as well, I don't buy this excuse at all. If anyone recalls, there was an old interview with Poledouris in Film Score Monthly where he first talked about the then-upcoming Conan DVD. In the piece, he talked about how he was preparing an isolated score. Now I'm no historian, but I find it suspect that Poledouris would say he was "preparing" the isolated score and then suddenly realize he doesn't have all the masters.
A much more likely reason for no isolated Conan score is a rumor I have heard repeatedly that the one-and-only Ford Thaxton talked Poledouris out of it, instilling in Basil a (perhaps justifiable) fear of the subsequent bootlegging that would most certainly follow such a DVD.
The no-masters theory does not hold up. Basil is holding out, no doubt wanting either a) a rerecording or b) a legitemate release of the whole thing.
I'd love it if anyone else had any more helpful information about this issue. Conan is my favorite score of all time, and no matter how it happens, I'd practically kill to have a complete score release sometime soon!
posted 06-17-2001 12:28 AM PT (US) 
John Zimmer

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Hold the phone our some of you implying that you guys have the Temple of Doom complete score?!! Pleeeeeaaassee may you have Pllleeeeeaasseeeee!!!!!!Jz
posted 06-17-2001 06:33 AM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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Well I would like official/ expanded/remastered/releases of:Hook
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Sugarland Express
Black Sunday
Images
The Swarm
Gremlins
Innerspace
The Final Conflict
Spartacus
King Kong - Barry
The Black Hole
Young Sherlock Holmes
Family Plot
The Illustrated Man
Back To The Future
Predator
Die Hard
Lethal Weapon seriesI'm sure there are more but I can't think of any more at this moment.
posted 06-17-2001 08:45 AM PT (US) 
Big Bear
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quote:
Originally posted by John Zimmer:
Hold the phone our some of you implying that you guys have the Temple of Doom complete score?!!It was first on my list of things I still want, John. No, no one has it. It doesn't exist yet, except in lousy-sounding mp3 files taken from the surround channels of a laserdisc. And believe me, you do not want to hear that at all.
posted 06-17-2001 10:22 AM PT (US) 
Big Bear
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Mark, though I know there is no substitute for a legitemate release, most of the titles you listed have been presented in one form or another (most with pretty decent sound, to say the least).What piques my curiosity here is the material out there that NO ONE has heard outside a given movie. Something like Temple Of Doom is a great example of this.
Any others?
posted 06-17-2001 10:28 AM PT (US) 
SBD
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A short list of scores that I'd like to see released; before I die at the earliest:Steve Bartek: AN EXTREMELY GOOFY MOVIE and SNOW DAY
Elmer Bernstein: ANIMAL HOUSE and TRADING PLACES
Michael Boddicker: THE ADVENTURES OF MILO & OTIS
George Bruns: THE SWORD IN THE STONE
Carter Burwell: BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
Alf Clausen: HALF-BAKED
Bill Conti: WRONGFULLY ACCUSED
Stewart Copeland: MEN AT WORK
John Debney: THE ADVENTURES OF ELMO IN GROUCHLAND and HOUSEGUEST
Steve Dorff: DUDLEY DO-RIGHT
John DuPrez: ONCE BITTEN
Randy Edelman: BILLY MADISON, DOWN PERISCOPE and GHOSTBUSTERS 2
George Fenton: MIXED NUTS (complete)
Robert Folk: LOADED WEAPON 1 and this Laurel and Hardy film he did; it has such a long title
Charles Fox: 9 TO 5
John Frizzell: I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER and OFFICE SPACE
Richard Gibbs: AMOS AND ANDREW, CLIFFORD, FATAL INSTINCT and LADYBUGS
Jerry Goldsmith: I.Q. and THE SHADOW (complete)
Joel Goldsmith: THE MAN WITH TWO BRAINS
Harry Gregson-Williams & John Powell: SHREK
Dave Grusin: Murder By Death
Michael Kamen: NOTHING BUT TROUBLE and SPLITTING HEIRS
David Kitay: DUDE, WHERE'S MY CAR? and PROBLEM CHILD 2
Sylvester Levay: MANNEQUIN
John Morris: THE IN-LAWS and all his Mel Brooks film scores
Mark Mothersbaugh: IT'S PAT
Ira Newborn: MALLRATS and PLANES, TRAINS and AUTOMOBILES
David Newman: Jingle All the Way
Graeme Revell: CHILD'S PLAY 2, GHOST IN THE MACHINE, IDLE HANDS and SPAWN
Lalo Schifrin: WHEN TIME RAN OUT...
David Shire: SHORT CIRCUIT
Howard Shore: GUILTY AS SIN and MOVING
Alan Silvestri: JUDGMENT NIGHT and REINDEER GAMES
Michael Tavera: MR. MAGOO and ROCKETMANDon't be too amazed at this; you've all got that laundry list of scores that you want. Don't lie.
posted 06-17-2001 12:21 PM PT (US) 
Big Bear
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quote:
Originally posted by SBD:
David Kitay: DUDE, WHERE'S MY CAR? and PROBLEM CHILD 2
Sylvester Levay: MANNEQUIN
Mark Mothersbaugh: IT'S PATWow.
Just... wow.
posted 06-17-2001 01:04 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:
A much more likely reason for no isolated Conan score is a rumor I have heard repeatedly that the one-and-only Ford Thaxton talked Poledouris out of it, instilling in Basil a (perhaps justifiable) fear of the subsequent bootlegging that would most certainly follow such a DVD.The no-masters theory does not hold up. Basil is holding out, no doubt wanting either a) a rerecording or b) a legitemate release of the whole thing.
I've heard this rumor too, and it really wouldn't surprise me if it was true. I don't know why Poledouris would listen to an ******* like Ford. I guess Ford might have convinced him that it would hurt soundtrack sales? Basil must be thinking about $$$$$$$$....
posted 06-17-2001 01:20 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:
Mark, though I know there is no substitute for a legitemate release, most of the titles you listed have been presented in one form or another (most with pretty decent sound, to say the least).What piques my curiosity here is the material out there that NO ONE has heard outside a given movie. Something like [b]Temple Of Doom is a great example of this.
Any others?[/B]
That's true but I would love a legit release of those titles. I do have boots of alot of those titles and the sound quality isn't to great on alot of them. I gathered most of mine off of Napster. There are tons of scores that I could name but those are the ones I want the most. Many great scores go unreleased and with Williams there is always a chance of cues that weren't even used in the films popping up on an expanded release.
posted 06-17-2001 02:48 PM PT (US) 
El Cid
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quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:
A much more likely reason for no isolated [b]Conan score is a rumor I have heard repeatedly that the one-and-only Ford Thaxton talked Poledouris out of it, instilling in Basil a (perhaps justifiable) fear of the subsequent bootlegging that would most certainly follow such a DVD.[/B]
Did he also talk them out of remixing the movie soundtrack? The movie soundtrack is terrible low-fi mono, and doesn't allow the score to shine.
posted 06-17-2001 03:38 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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I finally got what is probably a boot for Robin and Marian, and I see
that next year this score will be released. Also would like to see some
Conti materials remastered and released on CD. I have Victory
and F.I.S.T., and they sound pretty good but could be even better, and
I’d like to see a release of Bushwhacked. And one that probably no one
has noticed that I would like is M. Steiner’s Roman Adventure. Also,
would like to see the OST of Bernstein’s Bridge at Remagan and
Mark Snow’s In the Line of Duty: Smoke Jumpers. Smoke Jumpers
has a remarkable theme.NP Great Composers: George Delerue
posted 06-17-2001 10:14 PM PT (US) 
Lorien
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Leith Stevens' THE WAR OF THE WORLDS complete.The movie's all of 80 minutes long, so doubtless it would fit on a disc. There's a Tsunami CD out with a few cuts (what some might dubiously call "a good representation") of the score and a silly sound effects track - not from the film, but from a Cassio-Keyboard type of thing.
There was a laserdisc release some years ago with an isolated score, but this did not end up being booted. It does show that the music is available though.
This guy has a distinctive sound. It's very, very 50's, but still specific enough that after hearing only this score and two others (very little of his total output), I was able to identify that it was his music backing an old time radio drama (to my complete su'prise - it was a mere passing thought in the head).
More of you should take Lou up on his offer.
posted 06-17-2001 11:57 PM PT (US) 
Big Bear
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quote:
Originally posted by El Cid:
Did he also talk them out of remixing the movie soundtrack? The movie soundtrack is terrible low-fi mono, and doesn't allow the score to shine.If the rumors are true, then Poledouris did not deliver his score to Universal at all, in any form. That would preclude them remixing it in 5.1 (as they claimed they were going to do), as it would require good clean stereo masters.
So yeah.
posted 06-18-2001 01:43 AM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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Oh good lord, what is wrong with you people!!!I just read this whole thread, and not once did I see a mention of the greatest score that has the poorest release ever....
THE ROAD WARRIOR BY BRIAN MAY!!!!!!
The Varese album runs 30mins. take away the sound efx reprise of one of the cues.
The sound is pinched and poor,compared to the film tracks. It is also missing SO many incredible pieces.I recorded the unreleased cues off the laserdisc onto a cassette, mixing in the Varese cues when available, and comparing the two, the CD sounds like garbage. They left of so many incredible pieces....I am just amazed at some of the scores mentioned before this. Forgive me for being a bit overzealous, but this is the one that got me into film scores, and after re-watching it this weekend, reminded me how well crafted scores used to be.Now...if anyone could dub the film tracks(w/sound efx and dialogue if unavoidable)onto a CDR, or better yet a copy of the sessions, I would pay DEARLY for this! I know why people get nuts over unreleased scores, and I don't mean to run down Varese, but compare the film and album and you'll see what I mean. Hell, I'm even thinking a letter campaign to Maestro Townson to get McNeely to re-record this would be great!!!
~Sean
posted 06-18-2001 09:32 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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I'd still love to get a better release of Patrick Doyle's Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. The existing release is lengthy, but does omit all the wonderful source cues (variations on the love theme) that are an INTEGRAL part of the score. Like all Branagh films, Frankenstein does have some very happy and uplifting moments, and most of them are scored with source music. As a result, leaving them off the album makes it very heavy and difficult to listen to. I'd gladly sacrifice some of the rather repetitive "action" music for those source cues.NP: The Road Warrior (Brian May)
posted 06-18-2001 12:08 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
- Young Sherlock Holmes (Broughton)
