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    Topic:   The Mummy Returns

     Kyriacos S
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    Hey guys,i just bought Alan Silvestri's 'The Mummy Returns' and i believe that it's a vast improvement over Goldsmith's The Mummy.What do you think about it??

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    posted 06-14-2001 09:51 AM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Wrong!!! Kyria, please tell me which parts from The Mummy Returns are better than The Mummy, and why. I am interested in your observations, and "I dunno, it just is..." won't do it for me!

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    posted 06-14-2001 10:42 AM PT (US)     

     OHMSS76
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    In Prof.Frink voice:


    Ya know, the part with the loud thing, and the drums, and mu-hey, the singing and jumping, mu-glaven!

    Now, more importantly, does anyone know the Prof.Frink theme song? Brownie points if ya do!

    Sean

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    posted 06-14-2001 10:45 AM PT (US)     

     Quill
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    I actually prefer track13 from Mummy Returns to any track on The Mummy.

    Different types of scores though...they're both winners in their own right. But I will join Kyriacos in the minority and say that as a whole I enjoy Mummy Returns a tad bit more.

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    posted 06-14-2001 11:24 AM PT (US)     

     Kyriacos S
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    quote:
    Originally posted by PeterK:
    Wrong!!! Kyria, please tell me ...

    First and foremost,my full name is Kyriacos;not Kyria!

    and secondly,

    Hey Fishchip,don't get mad at me!!!
    I liked Silvestri's version more because he provides a more interesting variety of themes.Also,his orchestrations are more detailed and complex.It's not like Goldsmiths percussion and melody(track 9)for instance.I don't have anything against Goldsmith's style.As a matter of fact The Mummy is still one of my favourite soundtracks.What i didn't find in Goldsmith's score was the great symphonic orchestral depth as opposed to Silvestri's attempt.
    Remember;i liked the themes composed by both composers.The themes fit both films perfectly.Maybe my criteria is solely based on the music composed by the great symphonic geniouses(i.e.Beethoven,Brahms,Dvorak).Maybe this is the reason why i found Silvestri's use of orchestral material a bit more interesting than Goldsmith's.
    Please Fishchip,don't take me wrong!



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    posted 06-14-2001 11:57 AM PT (US)     

     Kyriacos S
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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by OHMSS76:


    Ya mu-hey, mu-glaven!

    Sean<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Were you made in Taiwan???!!

    [Message edited by Kyriacos S on 06-14-2001]

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    posted 06-14-2001 12:12 PM PT (US)     

     Kyriacos S
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Quill:
    I actually prefer track13 from Mummy Returns to any track on The Mummy.

    Different types of scores though...they're both winners in their own right. But I will join Kyriacos in the minority and say that as a whole I enjoy Mummy Returns a tad bit more.


    Thanks for supporting me Quill!
    Fishchip was about to transform into a shark!


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    posted 06-14-2001 12:15 PM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Kyriacos, I am not mad. Accept my apologies for my wrong choice of nicknames.

    You say "...[Silvestri's] orchestrations are more detailed and complex..."

    I say I don't agree. But, I will give you the benefit of the doubt provided you come up with examples that lead you to suggest what you do.

    If what you mean by "orchestral depth" is akin to "which of these scores sounds closest to a classical piece," you might be onto something. But, I would say if you want classical music, go buy classical music. This is film music, and Goldsmith's music has the richness of a great film score - the action deafening, the time and place exotic, the main theme big and bold - qualities that all relate to the uniqueness of the movie.

    Sure, Silvestri's music may fit these descriptions, too, and they do somewhat... which is why I like both. However, Goldsmith's music is truly the more unique of the two.

    Let's take Silvestri's hero-getaway theme, for example. It may be more adventurous than Goldsmith's, but not as uniquely descriptive. The spirit of Silvestri's music here is what may draw you in, but this music evokes too much of a happy joy joy Back to the Future, boy-flying-on-modern-plank-skateboard excitement. I shouldn't have to be reminded of another movie by a "new" film score, even though it happens plenty these days. Silvestri's music, while certainly dashed with exotic orchestral flavoring, reminded me of too many previous action/adventure films he has scored, while Goldsmith's music reminded me of a distinct north Africa, truly terrifying action and the frightful The Mummy himself (even though we all know Goldsmith's music never hints at the super-cheesey poo-poo the film actually is).

    In this regard, Goldsmith's score is one of the most outstanding original efforts of the year, and surpasses Silvestri's follow up. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Silvestri's music in the film and on the CD, and I wondered if it might actually be better than The Mummy. But, within just a few minutes of listening to The Mummy shortly after The Mummy Returns, any doubts still lingering in the room were scared away.

    [Message edited by PeterK on 06-14-2001]

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    posted 06-14-2001 01:32 PM PT (US)     

     OHMSS76
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    Nope Kyriacos, the Prof.Frink reference(and if you don't watch the Simpsons, this is all lost on you) was a literal translation....so if it's Tawainese, oops!

    PS...I like Mummy 2, but Mummy 1 is better, so there.

    That one's for the K!
    Sean

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    posted 06-14-2001 01:34 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    "Super Cheesy Poo-Poo"???


    Snobs! I converse amongst snobs!

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    posted 06-14-2001 01:47 PM PT (US)     

     Aaron R. Brown
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    I agree with you completely Peter. I got the same impression about The Mummy Return score after watching the film.

    [Message edited by Aaron R. Brown on 06-14-2001]

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    posted 06-14-2001 03:39 PM PT (US)     

     BMUSTANG
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    I liked The Mummy Returns better, so far.. also because it's my favorite current movie. Gee, I wonder why?? Anyways, I loved the Medjai Warriors track, and Evelyn Remembers, although I was very disappointed that the drums weren't on it.

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    posted 06-14-2001 08:16 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    eh, I like 'em both.

    they each have their own character.

    Goldsmith's Mummy is better in that it is musically more descriptive. You get a better depcition of time and place with the music.

    Silvrestri's is just balls-to-the-wall right from the opening. sweet.


    NP -- A Dream of Kings, Alex North; my, how Greek

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    posted 06-14-2001 08:35 PM PT (US)     

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    No, I'm sorry, I have to say that while they're both great scores, TMR just feels too 'generic' when compared with the unique and compelling TM. I mean, don't get me wrong, TMR is an original and creative score, but it just doesn't stand out as much as TM.

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    posted 06-14-2001 09:20 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    "Original" and "creative"...yet "generic"....?


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    posted 06-14-2001 09:46 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by OHMSS76:
    Nope Kyriacos, the Prof.Frink reference(and if you don't watch the Simpsons, this is all lost on you) was a literal translation....so if it's Tawainese, oops!

    Sean


    Sorry Sean,i was just joking.Unfortunately they don't screen the Simpsons in Cyprus.


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    posted 06-14-2001 09:55 PM PT (US)     

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by PeterK:
    "Kyriacos, I am not mad. Accept my apologies for my wrong choice of nicknames."
    Apology accepted Peter.I was just joking.

    "You say "...[Silvestri's] orchestrations are more detailed and complex..."

    I say I don't agree. But, I will give you the benefit of the doubt provided you come up with examples that lead you to suggest what you do."
    Well,let's take track 3.I know it works perfectly in the film.But on the CD is such a pain in the ears.An action theme is absent.You can only listen to a not very fast,militaristic version of the main theme in the very beginning.Otherwise,the rest of the track is full of loud bangs and booms(trombones with drums,mainly used in order to create noise-it's an action film after all).And when it's not noisy,it's pointless(i am talking about this track specifically-other tracks do manage to be more thematically enriched ,such as the beautiful 'Camel Race' or 'The Caravan';two of my favourite tracks).It's pointless because it's all that Goldsmithian dominant-tonic,dominant-tonic,dominant-tonic etc trombone and timpani cooperation.Now,i know that this adds a lot to the action atmosphere and therefore fits the film perfectly,but as i stated earlier it gets a bit boring and tiring after an hours listen.On the other hand,Silvestri came up with a wonderful-more comlicated in harmony-action theme(i know,you are right on this one-it's a bit 'Back to the Future'style but,hey what's so wrong about that?).The theme has a specific action-like meaning.It's a lot different.

    "But, I would say if you want classical music, go buy classical music."
    (Oh God,i knew you were going to say that Peter.)
    No,please don't take me wrong Peter(again).
    I LOVE Movie Music.
    And as for your above statement,this is my answer:You know and i know that film music has the kind of uniqueness no other music has-not even classical music.


    "However, Goldsmith's music is truly the more unique of the two."
    When i posted my new topic i didn't make any comments about uniqueness.I just stated MY opinion(about the improvement of the sequel).


    " But, within just a few minutes of listening to The Mummy shortly after The Mummy Returns, any doubts still lingering in the room were scared away."

    Geeez,that's funny;the same thing happened to me.

    only the other way around.


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    posted 06-15-2001 06:00 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lancelot:
    "Original" and "creative"...yet "generic"....?


    Try not to think in absolutes, Steve.

    Here, let me give you a visual:

    code:

    the scale of originality:
    generic, unoriginal, same old, etc.[------------B----A--]inventive, original, creative, etc.

    where:
    A = The Mummy
    and
    B = The Mummy Returns


    Therefore, "TMR just feels too 'generic' when compared with the unique and compelling TM" and "TMR is an original and creative score, but it just doesn't stand out as much as TM."

    Better?

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    posted 06-15-2001 12:52 PM PT (US)     

     Quill
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    I really enjoy the Mummy...but its got that Goldsmith sound...it is so similar to 13th Warrior (which I actually rate higher) It was refreshing to hear Silvestri score with such energy...for me...his work just felt a little more fresh.

    Jerry just so damn good...its would take a lot to eclipse himself. I guess I just take him for granted....

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