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Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
Junk:
ET (except the score)

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Here, in a nutshell, is why I will most likely never agree with Lou Goldberg. Ever.

Check out this link, it might help:
http://www.boxofficereport.com/atbon/adjusted.shtml

That way no one would complain about inflation and not being a true test of the moviegoing person blah blah blah blah. You know how most people are. They can't except the fact that people like to go to movies and see ones they like.

Just like A.I.

Now of course you're entitled to your opinions, Lou. I'll even let you have them without resorting to ignorant Andre Lux-ian malapropisms regarding your screen name.

I judge films on a lot of levels, formula and predictability only being one. Telling a story by the books isn't engaging though and that is a killer flaw. Just because a film may be about certain things doesn't make it a good film if it fails to get those things across by fouling up in various departments. ET fails on many other levels besides it's plot devices.

I might be cynical and a blowhard too but I don't dislike ET because I think it makes me cool. I don't care about appearance.

I dislike ET because its false. There are other films about friendship, being young, feeling alone, and unconditional love that do work without resorting to tying the girl to the railroad tracks. Those are the films you should be defending, films like Stand By Me or Three Comrades or even The Gold Rush, but not silly ET.

You want real unconditional love from a movie, go watch Capra's The Bitter Tea of General Yen, where a Chinese general teaches a Christian missionary that her niceness is just a smokescreen and that he's the one capable of loving unconditionally in a way she may only begin to understand through his example. Watch Hawks' The Crowd Roars: Cagney thinks Ann Dvorak is beneath him, he uses her, refuses to marry her, and finally dumps her, then he falls on hard times, meets her again, but feels too low and guilty to talk to her. Still, when she sees him again, one look on her face says it all, it's not that she's a martyr or dependent in some way, she just loves him and she'll help him whether he's on the top or on the bottom. Now that's a movie talking about unconditional love, not this nonsense about a boy and his animatronic Christ figure.

Trying to enforce a standard of sweetness among everybody isn't an accurate reflection of the range of humanity, instead it's a threat to people's freedom. Go take your love for ET into a biker bar and see who respects your love of cheap sentimentality. Or do you believe the uncouth should just be gagged shut and locked up because they don't share your idea of hearts and flowers.

Lou-strodamus has spoken.....

For some reason, Lou, your ability to predict the outcome movies doesn't make you the righteous one in all of this.

What the hell do I know, anyway? Commence your Michael-Bay thrashes and other jests at my sentimentality.

One word: Monomyth.

"I think a) you have an act and b) not having an act is your act."

I sure don't understand how you can claim to like Stand By Me (a great film, by rights) but not E.T.. But whatever... you're all cryptic and sh*t. Ooh. How complicated you are, Lou.

And I wasn't asking permission to mangle your screen name. I was just pointing out that when you call me names, it only serves to make you look like more of a jackass.

As for Big Bore, he's entitled to believe about me what he wants. If he thinks I'm a poser let him. I have certain issues with Stand By Me but no where as near the bile I have for ET. And I think it makes perfect sense to like one and despise the other. There's nothing complicated about it.

As for Duncelot, in reply to the 'yen' to visit a biker bar, you do have a point. It's not really my idea of a good time. I'm just saying that there are cultures of people out there like bikers (and I'm referring to the stereotype as I know some bikers who are really nice guys) who respond to the cute, cuddly, and PC like a healthy dose of nausea.

ET sucks. If BB likes it fine I don't. And if he thinks I've no heart because I don't respond to saccrine, fine too. Even the best of Spielberg is low on the totem pole of the great movies made by great filmmakers.

NP: The Last Valley (John Barry)

Its no wonder I come to this sight less and less. Its full of a bunch of cry babies that like to hide behind their computers and bash things they know very little about.

dave

NP - 13th Warrior

And Andre, I found your ratings for each of those films interesting... That said, how in the heck can you rate Poltergeist a ***** and some of those others so low?

NP: A.I. (Williams)... fantastic score.

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Originally posted by Dave:
[The internet is] full of a bunch of cry babies that like to hide behind their computers and bash things they know very little about.

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Them's fightin' words!

Dave