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    Topic:   Calling all completists

     Camillu
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    How many of you can claim to have the entire available works of a specific composer? He needn't be Goldsmith or Morricone.

    I am proud to have the complete film score collection of 3 composers:

    Jon Brion (Magnolia)
    Tan Dun (Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon)
    Angela Morley (Watership Down)

    I also have all the scores written by John Powell and Harry Gregson-Williams (together, not separately)

    No, seriously. Do any of you have complete collections of composers with reasonably-sized collections, like Kamen or Goldenthal for example?

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    posted 06-10-2001 02:12 AM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    You have Tan Dun's Nanjing 1937?

    I would say I've got completes on a number of composers actually.

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    posted 06-10-2001 03:21 AM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    Whoops.

    Ok, ignore the Tan Dun bit.

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    posted 06-10-2001 04:38 AM PT (US)     

     John Dunham
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    I'm pretty sure I have all of David Arnold's stuff except Shaft.
    Other than that, no, I don't have all the scores by any one composer (no matter how much I might wish to).

    NP: Turn A Gundam Concert Real Audio Clips

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    posted 06-10-2001 05:15 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    How many Christopher Gordon CDs have been released?

    NP: Walking with Dinosaurs (Benjamin Bartlett)

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    posted 06-10-2001 06:13 AM PT (US)     

     Richard Street
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    I'm not sure if there are any other commercial albums out there for:

    Jonathan Elias (LEPRECHAUN 2, TWOO MOON JUNCTION)?

    Andrew Gross (8 HEADS IN A DUFFEL BAG - yes, I bought it!)

    NP: THE CRAFT (Graeme Revell) - today's random selection.

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    posted 06-10-2001 07:54 AM PT (US)     

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    Lou beat me to it, but I was gonna use Fallen, a nice spooky score which is unreleased.


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    posted 06-10-2001 09:11 AM PT (US)     

     DaveK
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
    How many Christopher Gordon CDs have been released?

    [b]NP: Walking with Dinosaurs (Benjamin Bartlett)[/B]


    Currently, only On the beach and Moby Dick have been released. I'm proud to say I own the complete discography of Christopher Gordon


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    posted 06-10-2001 09:44 AM PT (US)     

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    I don't have the biggest score collection in the world (some of you guys double or triple what I have), but I do have complete David Arnold, Elliot Goldenthal, and Danny Elfman collections (plus some boots and promos). I'm near complete with Jimmy Horner, Mychael Danna and James Newton Howard. My Zimmer, Silvestri, Williams, and Goldsmith collections are getting closer and closer every month... If I were serious about trying to become a Goldsmith, Williams or Morricone completist, I'd need to drop out of school, rob a few banks, and devote all of my life's energy to tracking everything down. I don't know how some of you guys do it- other than being very patient (and very rich)...

    Tim

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    posted 06-10-2001 09:54 AM PT (US)     

     John Dunham
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    Oh? Well than I have all Gordon's works, too.

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    posted 06-10-2001 09:55 AM PT (US)     

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    I have every James Newton Howard score that saw a release on CD, the only score of his that had a release that I do not have is the LP of Russkies. I also have many promos, bootleg and private compilations.

    Now that my JNH collection is pretty much complete I plan on completing my Isham collection. These are the only two composers that I care about being complete in.

    Audacity

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    posted 06-10-2001 10:03 AM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    Audacity - hope you've got Billy Bathgate
    Nothing out of this world, but the last track is a wonder. Makes me consider whether Williams heard it before launching himself into Anakin's Theme.

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    posted 06-10-2001 12:58 PM PT (US)     

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    I have a CDR of Russkies..if you are interested...

    BobaMike

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    posted 06-10-2001 01:18 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Far be it for me to stand in anyone's way of buying film score CDs, but I wanted to put the somewhat-philosophical devil's-advocatish question out there:

    Is it necessary to own every score by a composer?

    And follow-up questions:

    What does this accomplish?

    I could suppose that the answer would follow something like "having total knowledge of the body of work of the artist..." but does that really broaden the pallate?


    I once saw a box set of the COMPLETE works of Mozart. Everything Mozart ever scribbled from the day he could write music (which was fairly young, for him....but he died fairly young, too, so maybe it evens out...it's still impressive, though.) --It was about 50 cds and something like $1700....Basically, too "pie-in-the-sky".

    Now, could I hope that one day a COMPLETE works of John Williams be available to the public? Perhaps....it would pretty much render my life's collection fairly obsolete...but still...

    Don't you think every composer has written some merely perfunctory music?

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    posted 06-10-2001 01:38 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by DaveK:
    Currently, only On the beach and Moby Dick have been released.

    Allright, then I'm another Gordon completist. Of course there's much Williams and Goldsmith in my collection, but both sections are still far from being complete. I'm trying to get everything by classical composer Anton Bruckner, but I'm not in a hurry, so there are still several gaps there as well.

    Lancelot: I saw that (or another) Mozart collection in a store a couple of years ago. It was a HUGE box, and horribly expensive.

    NP: Bless the Child (Christopher Young)

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    posted 06-10-2001 02:17 PM PT (US)     

     John Dunham
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    I have to wonder: who would buy such a box? I mean, if you are a fan of classical music, you probably already have some Mozart. If you LIKE Mozart, you probably have a LOT of Mozart. In any case, buying a box of EVERYTHING would be partially redundant unless you'd never heard Mozart before, so I don't think you'd get many Mozart fans buying it. Who does that leave? People who have too much money and want to get "cultured"?

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    posted 06-10-2001 02:46 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Well...let's say you had about 95% of everything John Williams wrote. But for that crucial (and hypothetically legitimate) 5% (which, let's say, includes the extra Far and Away, Last Crusade, Hook...and the generally unreleased Heartbeeps and Witches of Eastwick...etc., etc...)

    Would you find a way to shill out the $1000+, if that were the only way to obtain that extra 5%...?

    (Let's pretend this is a world without CDRs, for those who would prefer that cop-out luxury....)

    And just as a personal note here, I've purchased the Star Wars scores in every (legitimate) incarnation of their existance, from vinyl, to special editions. (even put Empire on an 8-track, once upon a prehistoric era...)

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    posted 06-10-2001 03:06 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    True, John. Also: Someone who is an avid Mozart fan will want to have the BEST recordings, and I doubt that a box of complete Mozart works contains only works that everyone agrees to be the best.

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    posted 06-10-2001 03:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Lest we not forget there is a difference between having a composer's entire body of work and having a composer's entire AVAILABLE body of work.Much of the film music world has never been recorded. The age of CD's is trying to rectify that, but it's a big struggle finding the source tapes and what not. So, when i say i have all of JOhn Williams works, i am of course talking about what is available as a recording. Otherwise, we could only be talking about relatively new composers here.

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    posted 06-10-2001 05:16 PM PT (US)     

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    [Message edited by Timmer on 06-10-2001]

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    posted 06-10-2001 05:39 PM PT (US)     

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    There is actually a third CD out there with Christopher Gordon music on it. It's music he wrote for Sydney: A Story of a City, an IMAX film.

    It was released in Australia as BMG 74321703702. I haven't picked it up yet since I haven't found it for sale from any US merchants and I don't want to buy it from Australia because of shipping costs.

  • Detailed listing
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  • posted 06-10-2001 07:42 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    a shock I know, but it is impossible to be a true completist no matter what genre.

    for example, works by GF Handel are still being discovered. His brief "Gloria" is a recent example.

    Though, I say if you like a composers' works, then by all means get them if you can.
    nothing wrong with being interested in a person's music.

    At least Philips had the temerity to release evrything Mozart ever wrote, even if some recordings are not considered the best by critics. At least the music and awareness of said music is getting out.


    NP -- American Harvest, Christopher Young

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    posted 06-10-2001 09:57 PM PT (US)     

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    I have the complete discographies of:

    John DuPrez (A FISH CALLED WANDA),
    Kevin Kiner (LEPRECHAUN) and
    Carl Stalling (the two CS Project CDs).

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    posted 06-11-2001 07:20 AM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Didn't John DuPrez do a number on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 and 3...

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    posted 06-11-2001 10:18 AM PT (US)     

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    In 1991, when I was a teenager, Philips announced that it would release the 180-disc Complete Mozart Edition. To a teenager who'd been collecting Mozart on tape and LP by any means necessary (e.g., pillaging local libraries, requesting music from classical radio stations, holding a tape player up to the television) for several years, it practically changed my life. I babysat for a whole summer to earn enough money to buy my first CD player (on layaway, at that).

    In the end, I bought about 20 volumes from that Complete Mozart Edition, and yes, I did buy a lot of compositions I'd already owned.

    There's no accounting for taste, I suppose. In the vast majority of cases, there probably is no compelling logical reason to be a completist, for anything. There's plenty of humdrum Williams music out there, and the juvenilia of Wagner and Keats and Picasso isn't necessarily brilliant.

    But in a small perecentage of cases, society (whether the historians, the musicologists, etc.) has decided that a person's entire work is historically valuable. In Mozart's case (to take the example given), many people have thought it valuable to understand how a child prodigy, who wrote perfectly pedestrian works at the age of 10, matured into the musical genius we now consider him. It follows that even scratch paper used by him to wipe his nose is "worthy" to be published. And if published, why not recorded?

    Why not put as much stuff out there by a particular artist as the market will bear?

    As for the question of who would go out and buy everything that makes it to market, well, unless you're a historian, it probably boils down to the irrationality of taste. But I don't regret for a minute my teenage enthusiasm for Mozart completism. I suppose I could have channeled that energy (and money) into the complete works of, say, REO Speedwagon. And then where would I be?

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    posted 06-11-2001 10:25 AM PT (US)     

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    I've been collecting certain composers for years, and think my library consists of a complete discography of SILVESTRI(all I need is Reindeer Games dammit!), GOLDSMITH(except for his early television works... RABIN, BROUGHTON, WILLIAMS, and THOMAS NEWMAN. I am close with HORNER and NEWTON HOWARD. I know, it's hard to admit to having a "complete" collection, for there is always one or two scores out there that are too elusive to get, but it's nice to sit back and finally see and listen to the fruits of the hard work put into collecting after all these years!
    John F

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    posted 06-11-2001 02:29 PM PT (US)     

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    I've got complete Beltrami (missing just the compilation promo), Brion (nice easy one), & David Holmes (including non-film stuff, but not his mix/remix albums).

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    posted 06-12-2001 03:52 AM PT (US)     

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    I've got ALL official releases by Goldsmith.

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    posted 06-12-2001 06:31 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    I have every CD/MC/LP/whatever with every piece of music ever recorded.

    quote:
    Originally posted by jonathan_little:
    There is actually a third CD out there with Christopher Gordon music on it. It's music he wrote for Sydney: A Story of a City, an IMAX film.

    Well, except that one. A third Christopher Gordon score? Must look for it!

    NP: Aaron Copland: Piano Sonata (Peter Lawson, piano)

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    posted 06-12-2001 06:37 AM PT (US)     

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    I'm happy to see so many completists in here.

    I am personally a John Williams and Danny Elfman completist (and also Elliot Goldenthal, since his output is fairly "controllable").

    However, I'm surprised to hear that people claim they have complete Williams discographies already. I own more than 120 Williams CD's (many of them coupled discs etc.) and I still have a LOOONG way in getting everything he's ever done.

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    posted 06-13-2001 07:40 AM PT (US)     

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    Which reminds me:

    SCOTT: YOU STILL OWE ME A LIST OF YOUR WILLIAMS COLLECTION!

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    posted 06-13-2001 07:41 AM PT (US)     
     

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