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Topic: Evolution!!

BobaMike

Romulan

Just got back from seeing this film, and I thought it was pretty fun. The cast looked like it was having a good time, and the SFX were really good. It was Men in Black, but without the men in black).John Powell's score was good, and actually got a very good mix in the film...there was a great cue as they drove into the militay camp (think Chicken Run meets the Imperial March!) and the action music was well done. Is Varese's CD out yet?
BobaMike
posted 06-09-2001 08:35 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

Romulan

I agree, I saw it last night myself, fun movie. Great one liners!
Score comes out this week.
--Brian
posted 06-09-2001 10:16 AM PT (US) 
BobaMike

Romulan

"There's ALWAYS time for lubricant!!"hehe
BobaMike
posted 06-09-2001 10:45 AM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

It's available now for purchase.posted 06-09-2001 10:56 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

Romulan

quote:
Originally posted by BobaMike:
"There's ALWAYS time for lubricant!!"hehe
BobaMike
LOL! DAMN right!
--Brian
posted 06-09-2001 02:08 PM PT (US) 
wistiti

Romulan

quote:
Originally posted by PeterK:
It's available now for purchase.http://www.moviemusic.com/title.asp?id=evolution
Are Varese discs always available for purchase the week end before the official release?
posted 06-09-2001 04:27 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

Not just Varese. If we have items in stock, we start taking orders Friday night at midnight for everything that is to be released on Tuesday. Orders aren't actually shipped until first thing Monday morning, though, as is the standard deal with labels.
posted 06-09-2001 04:29 PM PT (US) 
Taylor
Romulan

Yes, I think John Powell is VERY underrated. I am looking forward to picking this one up.
posted 06-09-2001 05:27 PM PT (US) 
TimT

Romulan

I thought the movie was really stupid. I can only assume it was supposed to be a comedy, because of some strange comments and actions but it wasn't funny so I don't know....The score was just typical.
posted 06-09-2001 07:09 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

Romulan

I needed a good laugh yesterday, I was having kind of a bad day and this movie cheered me right up
--Brian
NP: "Will Grows Up" from "My Dog Skip" by William Ross[Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 06-10-2001]
posted 06-10-2001 12:14 AM PT (US) 
Camillu

Romulan

That 'Lubricant' line cracked me up in the trailer.
posted 06-10-2001 01:00 PM PT (US) 
Al

Romulan

The movie was fun. I love the ID4 parody there at the end.The score was average. I neither liked or disliked it. It was chock full of "Go Get 'Em" action music. In moments it fit, but in others, I would have opted for some over-the-top frantic horror writing. I couldn't tell if there was more than one hero-action theme or not. There was at least one, but it wasn't very memorable, so I couldn't recognize it if it popped up again.
But the album will probably entertain Powell fans more than if he had written more horror music opposed to the heroic stuff.
posted 06-10-2001 03:04 PM PT (US) 
wistiti

Romulan

I wanted to get Powel's Evolution. Then I read some comments. Now I don't know.I'm confused...
MOMMY!!!!!!!
Oh, well, still have 15 days to decide...
posted 06-10-2001 05:00 PM PT (US) 
Dylan

Romulan

Well, everyone has different opinions on scores most of the time. I'd see the film first, Powell's stuff is often if-y and you should see the film first before you invest in somrthing you maight not like.
posted 06-10-2001 09:14 PM PT (US) 
Dylan

Romulan

Well, everyone has different opinions on scores most of the time. I'd see the film first, Powell's stuff is often if-y and you should see the film first before you invest in somrthing you maight not like.
posted 06-10-2001 09:16 PM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
Romulan

The movie had it's moments, the bug extraction scene in the hospital was hilarious. However the score simply did not work for me. Too much mickey mousery going on and there were several scenes when the music completely broke up the flow of the film.
posted 06-11-2001 07:45 AM PT (US) 
Tim_P

Romulan

Hey, I bought this score today. It's really a great listen! It's not quite as good as the Powell/Gregson-Williams collabo's, but still quite a ride. I think it's Powell's best solo effort yet. The themes are nice (except the main theme is a bit too Chicken Run/Media Ventures-like for my tastes. Doesn't seem like it fits in with the movie. Haven't seen the film yet, so I don't know for sure.) But the other themes and motifs he uses are great. The orchestrations and instrumentation is quite colorful. (Powell's been listening to Thomas Newman lately!) It's quite a wild and schizophrenic 40-minutes, though. Reminds me a bit of Elfman in that sense. I definitely advise all of you to pick up this score while we're in this film score dry spell right now.Tim
NP: Evolution ****/*****
posted 06-12-2001 10:32 AM PT (US) 
TimT

Romulan

Well I just came home with it, and am currently placing it in my CD player with my right hand.Just want to say for now that the actual art on the compact disc is Varese's coolest.

posted 06-12-2001 11:40 AM PT (US) 
Dylan

Romulan

It is a good score. I saw the movie last night and I thought it was a very fin ride of a film with great characters, funny script and cool monsters. But back to the score: the darker and choral parts of the score were a little Elfman-ish in the fact that they sounded a little like certain moments in "Nightbreed". The more lighter stuff sounded like Elmer Bernstein's "Stripes" and a little of Williams' Superman. Smme parts used some different and interesting guitar arrangements which fitted beautifully in the film, but I don't know if they're on the score. I will get the score becuase it's different and I think it'd be enjoyable to listen to.[Message edited by Dylan on 06-12-2001]
posted 06-12-2001 03:49 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

Romulan

All right, I know that I might be a total jackass, but TimT, why did you buy it if the score was just "typical". Not to sound to like Ford or Dan, but don't you think that you could save money by not purchasing scores that you don't even like? I mean, it would cut down on your constantly updated For Sale list.I mean, hey---just trying to get you to stop wasting your money (unless you're going to buy Tombstone).
Shaun
posted 06-12-2001 06:50 PM PT (US) 
BobaMike

Romulan

I was wondering the same thing Shaun...on another note...does anyone else get a warm feeling deep inside when they see a thread they started get the "on fire" icon?

hehe
BobaMike
posted 06-12-2001 06:57 PM PT (US) 
Dylan

Romulan

Does anybody who bought the score today have any comments about it?
Was it breathtaking as Varese described it? Was the guitar stuff on the album?
Is it an over-all enjoyable listen?
What is your favorite track and why?
How many stars does it deserve?
Just a few things I'm wondering about this score that maybe some of you who bought it today can answer. See you later.
posted 06-12-2001 08:49 PM PT (US) 
UCFKevin

Romulan

Eh...The movie was disappointing. It wasn't very funny. It was entertaining, yes, but I really hate how it was essentially one big fart/slapstick movie. And I can't stand the "black guy" jokes by Orlando Jones, that type of humor is so played out and lame.
The score was good, though.
posted 06-12-2001 09:01 PM PT (US) 
TimT

Romulan

quote:
Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
All right, I know that I might be a total jackass, but TimT, why did you buy it if the score was just "typical". Not to sound to like Ford or Dan, but don't you think that you could save money by not purchasing scores that you don't even like? I mean, it would cut down on your constantly updated For Sale list.I mean, hey---just trying to get you to stop wasting your money (unless you're going to buy Tombstone).
Shaun
Well sometimes, a score sounds different by itself. Sometimes I'm not even paying attention to the music while watching the movie so I miss parts. There can be alot of things that are inaudible in the movie that really shine on the CD. And I hope for that same situation each time I buy a score I'm not sure of. After I walked out of Evolution and went to think back on the music all I remembered was the music in the opening scene and a Chicken Run like anthem. It didn't impress me too much.I remember a few years ago I saw this TV movie with Sam Niel called Merlin. And as much as I tried to pay attention to the music I couldn't, because it was mixed in too low, and for some reason I totally missed the themes and didn't catch the scale of the action music. But I bought that CD as soon as it was released anyway, and I remember I was blown away by just from the first few seconds of the opening suite. Merlin is now one of my favorite scores. If I hadn't taken a chance on it, I wouldn't have known about it, since it certainly did nothing for me in the movie.
As for my For Sale list, well. The majority of CDs I have and buy, I've never seen the movies to, or I've never heard of the score at all. I buy them for silly reasons like, just because a certain composer scored it, or it has a really cool title and art work. But of coarse the music may not be what I expected. But you never know, because some I've gotten like Pavilion of Women, which I had no clue what it was like before I bought it other than it had a choir, and it turns out I love the score.
And then there are those CDs that aren't bad at all, but its been so long since I've gone without listening, sometimes I feel like I don't need it anymore. Jurassic Park for example, that was one of the first, if not the first CD I ever bought. It was my very first full exposure to a film score, I must have played it at least a couple hundred times in the first 5 months. And I became to know the music through and through. So much to a point that it started to get boring gradually because I knew it too well. And I soon got into other scores and I began to put JP aside, only listening to it every now and then. But each break would be longer and longer. And now I think its been a good 2 or 3 years since I've listned to that CD! That is the same case with alot of the CDs I was trying to sell and trade off.posted 06-12-2001 11:07 PM PT (US) 
Tim_P

Romulan

quote:
Originally posted by Dylan:
Does anybody who bought the score today have any comments about it?
Was it breathtaking as Varese described it? Was the guitar stuff on the album?
Is it an over-all enjoyable listen?
What is your favorite track and why?
How many stars does it deserve?
Just a few things I'm wondering about this score that maybe some of you who bought it today can answer. See you later.Hi Dylan: I think I can answer your questions for you. I seem to be the only person talking about this album...
1. I wouldn't call it exactly "breathtaking" but it is indeed a very very good score. One of John Powell's very best (not counting his work with Gregson-Williams.) Definitely one of the more thoroughly-entertaining scores I've bought this year- although that's starting to become the norm with scores like The Mummy Returns and Atlantis.
2. Yes, there's LOTS of guitar stuff on the album. I don't know if it has THE guitar stuff that you're asking for. (I haven't seen the film yet. I took a leap of faith purchasing this score- I was pretty curious too.) There's lots of fun ethnic stuff in the score- guitar mixed with saz and tabla.
3. It is an over-all enjoyable listen. Very colorful and fast-paced. There's not a single BORING cue in my opinion. 40 minutes is almost the perfect length- although it would be perfect if it were closer to 50 minutes. It has shades of that MediaVentures sound that we're all aware of, not to mention a few scores that you can tell were in the temp track. But for the most part, Powell has a lot of integrity as a composer and is full of neat ideas- whether they be melodic or in terms of his orchestrations. He handles all of his themes and motifs well- and they never outstay their welcome- although I still can't get used to the main heroic theme yet. It's just too MediaVentures-like for me.
4. I have a couple of favorite tracks. I think my very favorite is "The Amoeba Emerges." It's a very over-the-top slow march. That starts off with just a very slow drum beat and aleatoric trumpet playing- and then Powell gradually adds in more and more instruments and layers until it's really cooking at the end. Reminds me very much of early-Elfman and the manic energy found in scores like Nightbreed and Darkman. In fact, the whole score is very reminiscent of MEN IN BLACK. I think Powell and Gregson-Williams are both big Elfman fans. I also thoroughly enjoy "The Forest" and "Monitors Out." I might add that there's a LOT of Mickey-mousing in this score, but where I usually find mickey-mousing annoying, I find it enjoyable in this score. Go figure.
5. Once again, this score isn't a classic, but it's definitely passable entertainment- at least until July when all of the big releases come out. I'd probably be generous and give it 4 out of 5 stars.
Tim
NP: Evolution
posted 06-13-2001 12:12 PM PT (US) 
Dylan

Romulan

Tim,Thank you very much for your lenghy reply. I love mickey mousing so that's no problem for me (I like Raymond Scott and love Pee-Wee's Big Adventure and Monkeybone which all include mickey mousing ). I think I will enjoy this score and I look forward to buying it in the near future.
posted 06-14-2001 09:46 PM PT (US) 
Hasta
Romulan

Just saw this film and I must say, WOW!!! This is one terrrible, terrible movie. Not funny in the least possible way, Reitman should definitely consider retiring as far as I'm concerned. Thankfully for Evolution I saw The Animal, however, so it isn't THE worst film of the year. Powell's score didn't seem too hot from what I could hear, but again he had absolutely nothing to work with. I don't think it helped that the day before I had watched two incredibly funny DVD's at home (Raising Arizona and High Fidelity), but still, stay away from this trash if you can. Even the special effects were pretty tasteless. Anyway, my 2 cents...posted 06-15-2001 09:36 PM PT (US) 
Dylan

Romulan

You know, it's either a film you love or hate. On this kind of film, everyone's opinions are going to be different. Even fans of Reitman and Ghostbusters were disapointed, I think if it looks good to you you best bet would be to at least check it out and you may love it and it may be something you will hate.
posted 06-15-2001 10:17 PM PT (US) 
sakman
Romulan

I wanted to make sure we were talking about the Reitman film here before I decided to comment.I can see why some might find it funny. I laughed at a couple of places, but I have to say that this is not a very good film from a number of standpoints. Let's start with dialogue....I find it difficult to believe that trained scientists, even if they are at a community college, speak this way. The dialogue has adults speaking, and behaving, like middle school students. (Bill Murray's character in 'Ghostbusters' is somewhat similar but his character is drawn well enough for you to know that he is not just going along for the ride.)
Most of the action sequences are dull and lifeless. There are touches of urbane humor but it feels like the film is trying hard for a laugh.
I was rooting for the aliens by the second half hour if only to hope that they would be able to create something more interesting than this mediocre stuff.
I watched this with a group of teenagers (the obvious demographic market?) who mostly just shook their heads. Did they laugh? Yes, but simultaneously would say, "That is so stupid."
The only thing "funny' was the stuff with the two local farm boys (hmmm...maybe there's a film)---who must have had help writing this script. A 2-joke script (anal probes, a Head and Shoulders comercial) does not a movie make.
I wanted to like this movie. But when I stood up, it felt like I was having a serious case of mental bends.
The studio here seemed to be unsure whom to market this to (a similar problem happened with "Just Visiting" which had its share of problems). You can always tell by the trailers that are attached to a film. Here we had a trailer for "Final Fantasy" and the upcoming Woody Allen film!
Surely there must be something to go see in the local cinema soon!!!
posted 06-16-2001 07:29 AM PT (US) 
Hasta
Romulan

I just think that Reitman's humor has gotten stale as the years have progressed. Both Stripes and Ghostbusters were hilarious, but think about it... He hasn't done one funny film since then (now I haven't seen Dave, which is supposed to be great, however is it REALLY funny?)... I mean that's 1984, 17 years ago. I just don't think the man has it in him anymore. Kindergarten Cop was full of charm that made it so great, and most likely my favorite movie of the director since Ghostbusters, however it wasn't laugh out loud funny... I actually semi-liked Six Days, Seven Nights, which undoubtedly got much more bashing applied to it than this POS Evolution, so I'm not sure what to think... Grossing only $13 mil opening weekend though, I think it's fairly safe to say the movie is a bomb (I think the reported budget was somewhere around $80), and rightfully so. So I don't know why I went into Evolution with any sort of "hope". It was a mess, the audience realized it, and for that it will suffer. As for Reitman, I just don't know. If I were him, I'd call it quits.NP: Toys Expanded (Zimmer) ****/*****
posted 06-16-2001 12:22 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

Romulan

Dave is Ivan's Capra film. I love it.Shaun
posted 06-16-2001 03:25 PM PT (US) 
Dylan

Romulan

Ha, you think Evolution is a bomb check out these films' box office and costs-1. Young Sherlock Holmes: gross $3 million
I'm unsure of the cost on this one but since it was a Speilberg production and has many complex SPFX shots I'm assuming it wasn't cheap to make.2. Monkeybone: cost 79 million. Gross: $5.5 million
3. The Monster Squad: cost $12.5 million. Gross: 3.5 million
So, I think Evolution is doing fairly well since they are still heavily advertising it on TV (as of June 16th, 2001), it's getting very good reviews from some of the nation's top critics and there is no sign of it being pulled from theaters after 2 weeks (like all 3 films above were).
[Message edited by Dylan on 06-16-2001]
posted 06-16-2001 08:33 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

Romulan

Young Sherlock Holmes isn't a bad movie! Say what you will about the other two, but come on! Young Sherlock Holmes!For some reason, every time I think of Harry Potter, I think of Broughton's masterful score to YSH. Hmmm.
Shaun
posted 06-16-2001 09:28 PM PT (US) 
Hasta
Romulan

Those films you mentioned didn't bomb, they nuked... Monkeybone has got to be one of the biggest bombs in cinema history, so you can't define a normal "bomb" by that, it's insane.
posted 06-16-2001 10:43 PM PT (US) 
Hasta
Romulan

BTW, been listening to this score quite a bit lately, and well, as a stand alone listen it's decent... Powell's best as Varese would have you believe? HARDLY... It's fun, but damn it's all been done before so many times (by Powell)... Actually, it just may be my least favorite Powell score to date, however it isn't bad by any means. Kind of a mix between Chicken Run and his recent score Just Visiting (which was better than this and so unappreciated). It's fun, but I must almost be forced to give it a ** just because it's so typical and absolutely nothing about it stands out aside from the great theme in track 5. Maybe it'll grow on repeated listens.
posted 06-17-2001 12:04 AM PT (US) 
Dylan

Romulan

Actually Shaun, Young Sherlock Holmes is one of my favorite movies. I also love Monster Squad and Monkeybone.
posted 06-17-2001 10:16 AM PT (US) 
Gary_Parker
Reman

Can anyone tell me what the song is when the film starts (the one on the radio in the car)
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