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    Topic:   The might of the Japs

     Camillu
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    I'm not trying to start any more Zimmer bashing here, especially since I always allow some room for a composer's style before starting to complain of Hornerisms.

    But compare these two:

    Attack! from Pearl Harbour especially at around 1:00
    The Might of Rome from Gladiator especially at around 1:19

    Just thought I'd point it out coz it was quite obvious to me when I heard Attack! Maybe it's becuase I know Gladiator off by heart.

    NP Bad Girls - Goldsmith (4/5)

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    posted 05-26-2001 03:45 AM PT (US)     

     GrizzlyMV
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    Yeah. I've heard it too. But you know, it's only for a few seconds, so it's not that bad. And when a composer do a lot of music, it's "normal" to hear some "parts" of his previous works in a score. Each composer have their style, so a score could be similar in some points to a previous score. Check Trevor Jones. He did a lot of nice work. But when he do "action" score, he seem to use mainly the same "theme". Just listen to Merlin, Dark City, 13th Day (track 2), Desperate Measure. You'll see. Horner do that a lot too, Zimmer, Rabin, Goldsmith, Beltrami and others.

    The problem come when you rip a cue from another composer, which is not "your work". I don't care if a composer rip is own work from a score to another if it work fine in a movie. But that's just my own point of view. ;-)

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    posted 05-26-2001 07:27 AM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    Don't say Japs say.....Nihonjin

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    posted 05-26-2001 08:21 AM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Yep, noticed it too.

    Question is, did Zimmer actually compose Attack or was it one of his ghost writers? Further more, did he compose that part of Gladiator or was it one of his...you get my meaning.


    Scott

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    posted 05-26-2001 03:35 PM PT (US)     

     Justin
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    Indeed Scott...(whoever) IS responsible for the good parts of the scores should be recognized and shown proper acknowledgement.

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    posted 05-26-2001 03:37 PM PT (US)     

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    I think everything on the CD is Zimmer's music since he's the one on the contract. And all the unreleased stuff is from his team. Like with Armageddon, only Rabin's music was released, and none of Williams'.

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    posted 05-26-2001 03:46 PM PT (US)     

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    I don't think so Tim. He has 4 other people credited in the liner notes that helped him. So that definitely means they contributed to the music heard on the CD!

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    posted 05-26-2001 03:49 PM PT (US)     

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    Actually, I think most of the music written for the Japanese scenes is written by Zimmer; especially the flight to Pearl Harbor and the dog fight over the harbor sounded like Zimmer. The work of his co-composers usually sounds different then his own.

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    posted 05-27-2001 12:17 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    What about the cue that Gavin Greenaway composed for The Peacemaker?

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    posted 05-27-2001 03:45 PM PT (US)     

     sean
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    Shaun, that piece ("Revenge") was actually written by Zimmer and re-arranged by Greenaway; almost like filling in the blanks, so it is essentially Hans Zimmer's track.

    NP: Pearl Harbor - Hans Zimmer ****/*****

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    posted 05-28-2001 02:09 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    I shall lift the suspense.

    Everything was composed by Zimmer on the album except track 6,7,8, and 9; all in all Zimmer composed 15 minutes of work for the whole movie (contract or not).


    Scott

    [Message edited by Scott on 05-28-2001]

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    posted 05-28-2001 02:51 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Scott,
    How DARE you claim that Hans Zimmer didn't write this score in full by HIMSELF!!! You rotten S.O.B. (music by Henry Mancini)!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How 'bout this one, huh? If the CD says "music by Hans Zimmer", why would it have music by other people, too? Shouldn't it say "music by Hans Zimmer, Roy Hay, John Powell, Henning Lohner, Klaus Badelt, Geoff Zanelli, James Levine, Jeff Rona, Jay Rifkin, Harry Gregson-Williams, Gavin Greenaway, Patrick Cassidy, Steve Jablonsky, and Justin Burnett" if it were written by more people?

    THEY SHOULD CHANGE YOUR NAME TO SCOTT THE ****ING LYING PRISS BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW **** ABOUT **** AND IF HANS ZIMMER WANTED TO, HE'D SEND A MEDIA VENTURES HELICOPTER TO YOUR HOUSE AND CRASH IT INTO YOUR FAMILY!!!!!!! HANS ZIMMER IS THE BEST WRITER OF MUSIC I'VE EVER SEEN!!!! YOU TRY AND WRITE MUSIC FOR A THREE HOUR MOVIE AND STILL HAVE TIME TO HAVE SEX! THAT'S RIGHT, SCOTT! SEX! I'M HAVING IT! HANS IS HAVING IT! YOU AREN'T! HANS ZIMMER IS THE MAN AND HE GETS LAID ALL THE TIME BY PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE THEY'RE FROM EXOTIC FOREIGN COUNTRIES, BUT ARE ACTUALLY JUST REALLY TAN!!!!!! OF COURSE, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT, SCOTT, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW **** ABOUT **** AND IF YOU HAD A HAIRCUT THAT LOOKED SIMILAR TO SPOCK'S, I'D MAKE FUN OF YOU FOR HAVING IT!

    AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, I HAPPEN TO HAVE WALKED BY THE PEOPLE YOU CALL "JAPS". BEFORE I WALKED BY THEM, I SAID, "HEY, THIS GUY SCOTT CALLED YOU A JAP." THE OLD GUY SAID, "I'M CHINESE."

    So, watch your step, Scott!

    Shaun

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    posted 05-28-2001 03:22 PM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    Shaun - you crack me up

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    posted 05-28-2001 03:47 PM PT (US)     

     jonathan_little
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    So, Shaun... What do you think of James Horner?

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    posted 05-28-2001 04:05 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Shaun,

    you miserable little prick! Who do you think you are? Frodo reincarnated? One of the missing 7 dwarves?

    You know as much as I do that Zimmer doens't have the time to compose that much music, between taking one hour baths, getting special neckbraces to keep his big head upright and getting more victims for his Media Vulture enterprise.

    I don't wanna pry into the guys private sexual life, but as far as you are concerned, my dear Shauni, doing it with your 15 year old teddy bear does not constitute as sex. As far as my sexual life is concerned (not that it is anyone's elses business), wether I am having sex or not, at least I don't need bandages on my right hand every other day from over use, Shauny.

    Helicopter on my family? I'm not worried. If their abiltiy to manuever a helicopter is anything remotley accurate as their skills in score writitng, it'll be your family the helicopter will drop on.

    Zimmer and tanned people...is that why you bought that tanning machine Shaun? Do tell.

    You the one talking about hair...have you seen your profile pic lately? No wonder your teddy bear and right hand are working overtime.

    I never called anyone a Jap and besides, you sure as heck are not Mr. Political Correct, are you?

    So, Shaun, before you try to insult me, just send a pic of you ten years ago...that is insult enough.

    Scotty

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    posted 05-28-2001 04:38 PM PT (US)     

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    Scott The ****ing Lying Priss! I have never felt so..........so.........violated (also would have accepted "horribly wronged")!

    I have to respond to your charges in the same character I posted with above. His name is Lanny Donsales (screen name: Tard Harget), and he is not based on anybody in particular.

    "you miserable little prick! Who do you think you are? Frodo reincarnated? One of the missing 7 dwarves?"

    SCOTT, YOU BARFBAG KURD! YOU THINK YOUR SO SPECIAL CUZ YOU REFERENCE THE GODFATHER AND THAT MOVIE WILLOW, BUT YOUR A STUPID DICK! I'M ON TO YOU AND MY FRIENDS HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF PEOPLE YOU'VE READ BOOKS OF, SO WATCH OUT!

    "You know as much as I do that Zimmer doens't have the time to compose that much music, between taking one hour baths, getting special neckbraces to keep his big head upright and getting more victims for his Media Vulture enterprise."

    HAHAH! I'M LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK, WHERE I WILL CASH YOUR CHECK OF ZERO DOLLARS WHICH WAS MADE OUT TO "COMEDY IN GENERAL". (the real Shaun gives you kudos, as that is some funny imagery you created)

    "I don't wanna pry into the guys private sexual life, but as far as you are concerned, my dear Shauni, doing it with your 15 year old teddy bear does not constitute as sex. As far as my sexual life is concerned (not that it is anyone's elses business), wether I am having sex or not, at least I don't need bandages on my right hand every other day from over use, Shauny."

    LEAVE MY TEDDY BEAR, FROGGY, OUT OF THIS, SCOTT. THAT'S NOT COOL, DUDE.

    "Helicopter on my family? I'm not worried. If their abiltiy to manuever a helicopter is anything remotley accurate as their skills in score writitng, it'll be your family the helicopter will drop on."

    HEY, SCOTT, TREVOR RABIN JUST CALLED. HE SAID THIS: "WE'RE GOING TO VIC MORROW HIS ASS." AND THEN HE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS POINTING IN THE GENERAL DIRECTION OF YOUR PROFILE AT MOVIEMUSIC.COM WHEN HE SAID THAT, ALTHOUGH I HAVE NO PROOF THAT THIS IS ENTIRELY TRUE. SO, I SAY AGAIN, WATCH YOUR ASS FOO'.


    "Zimmer and tanned people...is that why you bought that tanning machine Shaun? Do tell."

    I WILL ANSWER YOUR QUERY IN THE FORM OF A RIDDLE: WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH ME HUH? I THINK YOU WANT MY ASS, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE IT OK GET OVER YOURSELF AND MY ASS! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT MY HOME ADDRESS IS, AND EVEN IF YOU DID, IF YOU SENT SOMETHING, I WOULDN'T OPEN IT BECAUSE YOU ARE A PSYCHO UNABOMBER JR.

    "You the one talking about hair...have you seen your profile pic lately? No wonder your teddy bear and right hand are working overtime."

    LEAVE FROGGY AND LEFTY OUT OF THIS.


    "I never called anyone a Jap and besides, you sure as heck are not Mr. Political Correct, are you?"

    OH HAHHAH, YOU THINK I'M GOING TO STOP SPREADING FILM MUSIC ACROSS THE GLOBE LIKE THE BUBONIC PLAQUE BECAUSE YOU ACCUSE ME OF BEING THAT FRUIT BILL MAHER (HIM AND NUGENT TOTALLY ARE AFTER MY ASS AND I'VE TOLD THEM MUCH OF THE SAME THINGS I'VE TOLD YOU, SCOTT! THEY CAN'T HAVE IT, AND NEITHER CAN YOU! GET YOUR OWN ASS!)? THAT'S TOO DAMN BAD, MOTHERF*CKER! I'M HIP-HOPPIN AND CLUBBIN' WHILE YOU SIT AND HOME IN YOUR LEOTARD WATCHING OLD JAMIE FARR INFOMERCIALS! YOU CALL YOURSELF A MAN? YOU SHOULD CALL YOURSELF A SHEMALE, BECAUSE OF ALL THE "WANTING MY ASS" THAT YOU DO!


    "So, Shaun, before you try to insult me, just send a pic of you ten years ago...that is insult enough."

    I WILL DO THAT IN BETWEEN HIP-HOPPIN & LAYIN' PHAT BEATS. WE WILL SEE WHO GETS THE LAUGHST LAFF.


    Scotty
    WHY DON'T YOU BEAM YOURSELF UP AND EAT A CAN OF MOSS, YOU DRUNKEN IRISH O-TARD!

    Sincerely,
    Winketty Wink, III, Jr.

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    posted 05-28-2001 07:34 PM PT (US)     

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    Coming soon...

    The fictional death blow to Shaun.


    Scott

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    posted 05-29-2001 12:15 PM PT (US)     

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    Here then it is....

    Scott The ****ing Lying Priss! I have never felt so..........so.........violated (also would have accepted "horribly wronged")!

    Stop standing at the corner then.

    SCOTT, YOU BARFBAG KURD! YOU THINK YOUR SO SPECIAL CUZ YOU REFERENCE THE GODFATHER AND THAT MOVIE WILLOW, BUT YOUR A STUPID DICK! I'M ON TO YOU AND MY FRIENDS HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF PEOPLE YOU'VE READ BOOKS OF, SO WATCH OUT!

    Ohhhhhhhhh, I’m sooooooooo scared!

    HAHAH! I'M LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK, WHERE I WILL CASH YOUR CHECK OF ZERO DOLLARS WHICH WAS MADE OUT TO "COMEDY IN GENERAL". (the real Shaun gives you kudos, as that is some funny imagery you created)
    Only a moron like you would attempt to cash a check of zero dollars….

    LEAVE MY TEDDY BEAR, FROGGY, OUT OF THIS, SCOTT. THAT'S NOT COOL, DUDE.
    Sorry to tell you this buddy, but Froggy told me that he wants a divorce. You haven’t been able to satisfy him in years.

    I WILL ANSWER YOUR QUERY IN THE FORM OF A RIDDLE: WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH ME HUH? I THINK YOU WANT MY ASS, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE IT OK GET OVER YOURSELF AND MY ASS! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT MY HOME ADDRESS IS, AND EVEN IF YOU DID, IF YOU SENT SOMETHING, I WOULDN'T OPEN IT BECAUSE YOU ARE A PSYCHO UNABOMBER JR.
    Shaun, Shaun, if I wanted your @$$, I would hang your portrait on my wall. And, btw, a package is on the way…

    LEAVE FROGGY AND LEFTY OUT OF THIS.

    Did you know that Froggy and Lefty have been doing it for like the longest, behind your back? You wouldn’t know would you?

    I am not going to response to the rest of the nonsense you came up with. Anyways, my advice would be for you to get another psyche for the one you are having ain’t doing much for ya. Then again, PeeWeeHermann did need a job, so I guess you could stick with him for a while.

    You know, you miserable little rat face, while there seems to be no beginning to your intelligence, you sure don’t hide your need for a mouth wash. Instead of insulting people, maybe you should throw both Froggy and Lefty into the nearest dumpster, go out in the world, and try to get a life. I know that may be hard for you, but certainly not impossible.

    On a last note, how much do you pay your girlfriend to stick with you, Froggy and lefty?…and…does it (stupidity) hurt?


    Scott

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    posted 05-29-2001 10:40 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Scott:
    On a last note, how much do you pay your girlfriend to stick with you, Froggy and lefty?…and…does it (stupidity) hurt?

    Shaun has a girlfriend??!? Shaun!! OMG! WHEN exactly were you gonna tell me honey? Now we can do trios!

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    posted 05-30-2001 11:40 PM PT (US)     
     

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