I would argue that Michael Bay's (and Bruckheimer's) movies, always throbbing loud, repetitive music in our ears, are doing a great ancillary service to grow the number of film music fans, whether they know it or not.

And... whether score fanatics appreciate it or not.

More like a deaf tasteless dork.

I would have said no - I prefer there being a few score fans becuase we feel like some elite and derive some silly pleasure from knowing about the masses of people who are oblivious to all the great music we get to hear, and how much more we enjoy films.

However, more score fans = better, bigger, quicker releases.

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Originally posted by felipevasquez:
So we need more film music fans... on record companies.

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Just because-I need Jenny Craig- Roger Ebert mentions the score does it mean the score is good? Just because he says he dislikes a certain flick, does it make the film bad? Film critics are wanna be filmmakers, who just didn't hack it...I think...OH what does that make me then?

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Originally posted by Scott:
Just because-I need Jenny Craig- Roger Ebert mentions the score does it mean the score is good?

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Labels are assured of sales somewhere between 3000-5000 copies. Perhaps if the demand averaged 20,000 copies then that would see an increased emphasis on score critique in widely read magazines and/or newspapers.

Furthemore, as others have stated - it is fun having your own little quirk that your friends always ask about whenever you get together. Similarly, it is fun having a small community of 'like-minded' people.

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Originally posted by Lancelot:
i.e., explosions, gratuitously naked women, a "kick-ass" song by metallica.)

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Oh - that reminds me. (Slightly off topic...) Picked up Joe Dante's first feature, HOLLYWOOD BOULEVARD. And it was just a delightful example of the above in every possible way (except it wasn't Metallica) - it was so obviously a pure Corman effort.

Given that, replace Dante with Bay, and Corman with Bruckheimer, and you see the same thing.

Everyone expected the same stuff out of Corman's camp, so why shouldn't we expect the same out of Bruckheimers?

I now return you to your regularly scheduled topic.

How does Jenny Craig fit into all of this?

Gosh you're slow sometimes. It was a sarcastic joke,...I'll tell you on AIM today.

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Originally posted by Camillu:
However, more score fans = better, bigger, quicker releases.

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I think it is an irresponsible lack of tact to say someone who likes Hans Zimmer's music is a lesser person for doing so. I think it should be enough to simply not listen to something if you don't like it and if someone asks your opinion, you should feel free to be honest, but not expect someone to follow your sensibility like a sheep dog leading the flock. And most people who like this music are intelligent people; I haven't met one person who liked film music who wasn't smart.

Most of all, I think we really ought to look at the deeper problems and find solutions instead of bickering. Whether or not we do is not up to me. All I can do is personally try to practice what I preach.

I will more than likely buy Pearl Harbor, for I am someone who likes Hans Zimmer's music. I consider myself of reasonable intelligence. And I know what it is like to score a film and how difficult it is because I scored music to a student film two years ago. It can be torcherous and tedious, but then a lot of what filmmaking is can be like that- but both can also be rewarding and exciting. So perhaps I'm biased- but I'd like to think it's worth it to respect creativity and humanity, even if what it produces is not as entertaining as it could be.

My initial film score CD purchases were influenced by 2 composers in particular; John Barry (gorgeous, lush, fully orchestrated themes made me want to buy and listen at home) and Hans Zimmer (earlier works were agressive and appealed to my rock based background).

From there I started to check out the entire rack of scores at the store, read message boards, trade, buy, sell, etc. etc. I still haven't grabbed ahold of "Planet Of The Apes" and other elite/challenging scores (I do like Goldsmith, a lot), but my film music world has expanded greatly and I feel to be a very lucky person for it. More fans will follow, and that's a good thing.

As Widescreen put it, "It's an unfortunate shame there has to be so much denouncing of other people's tastes in music. Not just in film score, but all over." Yes, I agree completely. I might not like some of the other music out there, though don't think less of those who do. Too bad, it seems there are a few that love to do this though.

Anyway, I guess I have become jaded. It seems to me like all I hear anymore is whining, bitching and moaning it seems. In a way, I think we already have it way too good. Maybe losing all of this will start to get some understanding and respect back into the community. Not that, that is what I want to happen, but some really need to be more appreciative. Considering how small this community is already, we can either be doing rather well, or rather bad. Heck, there could be none at all. So, having more should be a good thing.

What kind of educational degree does it take to rate and attribute something a number of stars?

Critics see more movies per month, per year than most average moviegoers do. Does this mass exposure keep the pallate fresh, or does it deaden it? After 20 movies in two months, does one suddenly acquire a sense of good taste? It's strictly opinion.

The critics see them for free, and what's better, they're paid to see them, and write about them. Does it matter what they say? No--the papers need something to fill space in the entertainment section.

Look to the critics? I think not.

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Originally posted by Lancelot:
I'd like to thank Colombia Pictures...

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Is that the studio that makes all those movies about coffee?

What are they educated in...film theory? If they have any film training it would be from film school...where (as someone mentioned earlier) they couldn't hack it. I do not dismiss film critics out of hand, but I learned long ago to temper anything they write. All but the best are predictable...you can see a mile away what films they will empty both barrels of disdain at.

I just purchased Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon on DVD, and while I still enjoy the film I cannot see how it was regarded so highly...it baffles me...the bandwagon must have been rolling at supersonic speed through the critic circles.

But believe me, I get lots of reaction from people - from the support of the educated people to the usual hysterical attacks from the alienated fan boys (see any of Lancelot's posts for reference), but NO ONE ever mentioned my comments towards the music.

For most people, film music means nothing. And this won't change because of critics comments or its over use in craps like PEARL HARBOR.

Fan boys will notice music if their adrenaline level raise when Zimmer starts harming their ears with his amateurish musica bombastica.

Educated folks will notice it whenever the music not only help the movie get better but also detaches from it gaining his own life.

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Originally posted by Lancelot:
Educated folks will actually listen to the music/watch the film before they start trashing (or praising) it.

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Exactly my point, Stevie.

Thanks for reinforcing it!

Shouldn't a journalist be objective too...when you make a statement such as:

"I write a critic about a movie I manage to mention the score, being it good (Goldsmith,
Morricone) or bad (Zimmer, Elfman, etc) - except maybe when the music is plain
insignificant (Silvestri, Revell, Edelman)"

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Originally posted by Quill:
"this will be a good score because its Ennio" or "this will be a terrible score because its HamZinzer."

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Yes, you've said it all. That's exactly how it is. Good to know you agree with me again, Zakharias.

BTW, if you read my original post again you'll notice that I wrote: "I am a quite good and humble Journalist".

Maybe you don't know yet, but humble means almost the same as modest...

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Originally posted by Lancelot:
we're the "Punch and Judy" of MM.com....

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or Seinfeld and Newman. Abbott and Costello? Spock and McCoy, maybe...

ME TARZAN!

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Originally posted by Quill:
You're right Andre...what was I thinking...disputing the ever humble, yet never wrong Andre Lux.

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Nah Zackharias... i was wrong before!
Rembember that one day I considered James Horner one of my favourites... I even used to get angry when people mock me, saying his music sounds all the same!

Dead wrong!

I must confess that I've grown tired of listening to movie music, and have really dug into my Metallica CDs.

Oh, I'll continue to listen to the odd movie score (I've been listening to Pearl Harbor continually since I bought it 2 weeks ago), but these days, I just find much more variety listening to a good Metallica song. I can sing to it, play air guitar, etc, etc.

If a Titanic, or Pearl Harbor brings in new fans, maybe those fans will acquire more scores, which can't be a bad thing at all.

I for one, started my modest 60 CD collection with The Rock.