I was quite taken aback by this music at first, as it uses what I believe to be an actual piano, and other than the fact that the score is totally boring, plodding along to its inevitable musical conclusion (which is nothing), the score is nice to listen to.

That is, until track 8.

After hearing 6 tracks of decidedly un-Zimmer-sounding music, track 8 ("War") brings forth the same old piece of garbage, wall-of-synth drums that have been beaten to death in every other Media Ventures score (including the good one, Chicken Run). This is where his 6 "arrangers" earn their biscuits, apparently. They should have just called this cue, "Trailer Music For Next Bruckheimer Production" (I realize for some, the very sad amongst us woeful souls at the MovieMusic.com board, this is fodder for their masturbatory fantasies; for those of us who are VERY sad, and actually remember what it was like to see a big studio film that was scored by one person, who led an orchestra of 90+ musicians, this is another example of "what's wrong"). Personally, I'd like to see the Media Ventures WOS drums run out on a rail, along with three of the four "assistants" to Zimmer(what kind of ass needs FOUR assistants?......other than JJH), but I digress.

For a textbook example on "How To End A Powerful Cue", go listen to the brilliant conclusion of the aforementioned "War" cue, which seems to just fade out as the music is still "talking". I wonder........did Dieter from Sprockets mix this album? Did Zimmer's story become tiresome? That's a rhetorical question.

Also, here are some of the credits for the album:

Supervising Orchestrator: Bruce Fowler

Additional "Arrangements" by:
Fiachra Trench
Klaus Badelt
Steve Jablonsky
James S. Levine
Geoff Zanelli

So, there you go. The longer a film is that Zimmer scores, the more "additional arrangers" there are. I now see how America's unemployment rate is so low.

Get any John Barry score from the 90s, and hold it up against the Media Ventures score to Pearl Harbor. For those of you who will immediately praise this as the best score Zimmer's ever done, listen to Chaplin or Somewhere In Time and tell us all why John Barry is so boring, and Media Ventures' Pearl Harbor is so fascinating.

Parting thoughts to this jumbled mess of a post. Pearl Harbor is not an awful score (with 6 other composers, it'd better not be!). It's just a bit boring. And it's not boring like The Thin Red Line was boring. Pearl Harbor is boring in an UNinteresting way. In that this score doesn't feature much in the way of action music, let's hope the Bruckheimer team has also restrained from using speed in the editing room.

OK, ramble over.

Shaun

you tell it like it is.

JJ has long needed four people for survival:

1. one person to feed him. Dumbass can't cook

2. one to do his actual typing (Me, the Search Feature, which is why I think he won't let me go, even though PeterK has offered exorbitant amounts of money/ CDs in exchange. It's either that or some twisted love obsession).

3. one to wipe his ass (a weird Being John Malkovich thing going on here; best not to ask)

4. and one to drive him all over this city of Las Vegas.

I tell you all, JJH is screwy! how infinitely sad!

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Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
(what kind of ass needs FOUR assistants?......other than JJH), but I digress.

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Actually JJ, you need 5. The fifth to fetch your viagra pills... remember?

Jeron

I think Track 8 is one of the best tracks on the CD.

Well, that's my opinion anyway...

Well, maybe this score still has a future.

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(I realize for some, the very sad amongst us woeful souls at the MovieMusic.com board, this is fodder for their masturbatory fantasies; for those of us who are VERY sad, and actually remember what it was like to see a big studio film that was scored by one person, who led an orchestra of 90+ musicians, this is another example of "what's wrong").

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what a loser he is.

Sooner or later, I'm going to gather up all the alumni from the coaster collection and the wall of shame* and auction them off on Ebay. You know I'll get money for them, too.

I'm counting the seconds for MM.com's own Pearl Harbor Attack to begin. (I think it already has.) The Zimmer-kids are going to go totally postal and Andre is going to have a field day with this one... What a fun summer!

Tim

Do you remember those famous russian composers group of five(Tchaikovski, Rimsky-Korsakov...)? Well, I think this is the new group of our era:
Zimmer, Mancina, Rabin, Gregson-Williams, Glennie-Smith, Revell.
"The Cheap Scores for Hollywood Blockbusters Bunch", being, of course, Hans Zimmer the father of the style. Hollywood Bach if you may.

Padres(23-21) www.padres.com

Clayton

PS>Sorry Danny for defending this ass hole.

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Alright, I am gonna pipe in here now. People always tell me, "do you think the composers care what people think if it's bad about them?" I don't care what composers think about disrespectful people. Shaun, you're a disrespectful person. I don't give a **** who you like as a composer. I like Zimmer, I don't appreciate your smart ass remarks also.

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I don't want to fan the flames or anything, but I wanna get on the same page as everyone else here.

When you say "I like Zimmer", I am assuming you really mean "I like Zimmer's music", right?

I only ask because I know many composers, and some of them can be real a-holes, even if their music is killer.

Dan

I now await Andre to chime in and drag this topic into the deepest crevice of narrow-minded ignorance.

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Originally posted by scoreguy15:
Shaun, ever since day one, if a person liked someone from media ventures, you hated them.

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Wrong. Shaun just has a good (if not warped) sense of humor, and thinks most people should have enough common sense to realize his over-the-top remarks are only to be taken with a grain of salt (even if he dislikes the item he's assaulting).

Point 1: Shaun does have a predisposed distaste for Media Ventures, but that's okay. I have a predisposed distaste for "The Running Man" by Harold Faltermeyer. I know some who have a predisposed distaste for Jerry Goldsmith - and while that hurts my heart, big deal. I don't throw a fit. Life goes on, and we should all be able to live happily knowing that the world is better off with people who have varied likes and dislikes.

Point 2: I like Media Ventures. I won't say their methodology is all that great - but hey, it gets the job done (and it's interesting to observe). Regardless of my musical preferences, I do know that Shaun doesn't "hate me" because I enjoy the music. He doesn't operate that way, he's not that kind of person. Stop taking yourself so seriously, loosen up, and respect Shaun's right to express his dislikes (however he may choose to do so), just as you have the right to express your likes.

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Originally posted by Hector J. Guzman:
How about the two poor homos that always wanted to be buried together?
After they died, the mortician cremated them and put them in a fruit jar.

[Message edited by Hector J. Guzman on 05-22-2001]

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If you haven't figured out Shaun's sense of humor by now I guess you never will. Shaun in my opinion speaks the truth about MV. You guys take things way too seriously.

This isn't directed at anyone in particular but I find it amazing how certain people can feel free to criticize things but god help us all if someone gives a negative review of something that person likes. You would think Satan himself rose from the depths of hell.

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You would think Satan himself rose from the depths of hell.

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right to express his dislikes (however he may choose to do so)

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Hmmm, seems to infer quite a wide range of latitude. Generally society operates within a somewhat more constrained set of boundaries.

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I now await Andre to chime in and drag this topic into the deepest crevice of narrow-minded ignorance.

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Quill: fu.ck you and Hanzimmer.

Bye.

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Originally posted by Justin:
I however will love the score! ;-)

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"Will love"? So you haven't heard it yet? I think if you're so sure you'll love it, you might find yourself disappointed since it might not live up to your expectations.....

Just let it happen and tell us what you think then.

Dan

--Brian
NP: Atlantis - The Lost Empire: JNH (****1/2)

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You would think Satan himself rose from the depths of hell.

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ya mean there'z a zimmsuck cd that is NOT an epic masterpiece for teenage geniusus (sic) to get all wet over?

those obese doritos-addicted cdr burnin social unfits might get hurty feelings an go all stalker on everyone.

that's right, cry about it.
hey go download a four star review and quote from it! there's this store with smarm-ipated reviews posted every week, they might help...zimmsuck the john williams of our time! soul-stirring drones and cutting edge 'dancing queen'-beats! paved the way! gosh, making us get teary-eyed.

Has anyone actually thought about how the score (whether you liked it or not) works IN THE FILM? (I mean, it was written for the film, and not for the soundtrack.....)

As such, my initial comments (on another thread) were just those - initial comments. I'm withholding "final" judgement for the next 6 hours. After which time I will have sat through the film and will be sure to let you all know (in a short two sentences, of course) what I think of it.