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    Topic:   "Pearl Harbor" - The Score: Fantastic!

     Lancelot
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    It never quite surprises me how little store employees pay attention to soundtracks, but I guess it's moments like this that Soundtrack afficianados live for, when a copy of "Pearl Harbor" slips ignorantly on to the shelves....

    This is an amazing score. That's about all that needs to be said. You should love this one, it's a real heartstring-tugger.

    I think several of Zimmer's naysayers will emphasize the similarities to John Barry--particularly "Hanover Street", a comparison which would not be completely out of place (WW2 film, heavy on the Air Force focus.) Well, let 'em.

    This isn't a full review, obviously--I've skipped right over the Faith Hill/Diane Warren song (Track 1) which several of you will probably do, as well. But hopefully this will get you curious, whet your appetites. This one's a winner.

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    posted 05-16-2001 02:22 PM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    You lucky dog!

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    posted 05-16-2001 02:56 PM PT (US)     

     Justin
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    I agree...don't tell us anymore. What you put down was perfect

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    posted 05-16-2001 03:06 PM PT (US)     

     Jeff78
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    what store was selling it early?

    jeff

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    posted 05-16-2001 04:04 PM PT (US)     

     wistiti
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    Tell me more. Is there action music or is it just cheap love themes? How long are the tracks?
    (and if you don't want to piss off Justin, send more comments to me by email: wistiti@canada.com)

    quote:
    Originally posted by Lancelot:
    It never quite surprises me how little store employees pay attention to soundtracks, but I guess it's moments like this that Soundtrack afficianados live for, when a copy of "Pearl Harbor" slips ignorantly on to the shelves....

    This is an amazing score. That's about all that needs to be said. You should love this one, it's a real heartstring-tugger.

    I think several of Zimmer's naysayers will emphasize the similarities to John Barry--particularly "Hanover Street", a comparison which would not be completely out of place (WW2 film, heavy on the Air Force focus.) Well, let 'em.

    This isn't a full review, obviously--I've skipped right over the Faith Hill/Diane Warren song (Track 1) which several of you will probably do, as well. But hopefully this will get you curious, whet your appetites. This one's a winner.



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    posted 05-16-2001 04:55 PM PT (US)     

     Kross
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    How good a score is means nothing to me unless in context with the film. If it works with the film, praise to it. If it does not poop on it for it failed. It might be good as a CD but not as a score. We'll see .

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    posted 05-16-2001 06:12 PM PT (US)     

     MarkA
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    Please tell us more! How does it compare to Thin Red Line?

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    posted 05-16-2001 06:34 PM PT (US)     

     BMUSTANG
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    So it's supposed to come out this Tuesday?? Well, I have some money left on my Target card, so let's hope they get it. They don't even have The Mummy Returns.

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    posted 05-16-2001 07:51 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Hi, gang--
    I'm debating whether or not to elaborate on the elements of the score or not. Yeah, I caught a lucky break. Personally, I'm excited about the score. I wanted to share a bit of that, and get some others excited, as well. I'm not trying to "show off" here--(no more than anyone else on the board, really)--but, to respect the wishes of those who want to keep it fresh, I think I'm going to hold off. If it were me, I'd feel the same way.

    (And if you want to wait and see how it fits in "context", that's fine too....out of context, it's terrific.)

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    posted 05-16-2001 08:03 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    pardon me, but why didn't Bay just hire John Barry if that's the kind of music he wanted?


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    posted 05-16-2001 08:16 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    (it begins. thanks for being the first, jjh.)

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    posted 05-16-2001 08:18 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Hmmm...do you not want to elaborate for the reasons you listed, or because you don't really have the CD?

    Don't be a dumbass.

    Shaun

    [Message edited by Shaun Rutherford on 05-16-2001]

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    posted 05-16-2001 08:36 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Yeah, sure--this is an all an elaborate lie, because I need you guys to validate my existance, by being one step ahead of you.

    Shaun--thanks for your vote of confidence, and I won't hold my breath on an apology. I'm here because I love film music, and most of you guys seem to appreciate that. I don't have any reason to lie about this.

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    posted 05-16-2001 08:41 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lancelot:
    Hi, gang--
    I'm debating whether or not to elaborate on the elements of the score or not. Yeah, I caught a lucky break. Personally, I'm excited about the score. I wanted to share a bit of that, and get some others excited, as well. I'm not trying to "show off" here--(no more than anyone else on the board, really)--but, to respect the wishes of those who want to keep it fresh, I think I'm going to hold off. If it were me, I'd feel the same way.

    (And if you want to wait and see how it fits in "context", that's fine too....out of context, it's terrific.)



    Whats wrong, with listing the CDs runtime and contents? I'd really find it useful information. If someone actually doesn't want to know then they won't even be in this thread.
    Post the info :-)
    or e-mail it to me.
    bonyarishite@home.com

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    posted 05-16-2001 08:44 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Give or take a second, the album runs 46:18. Sans song, the score runs 42:36.

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    posted 05-16-2001 08:53 PM PT (US)     

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    Ah'huh. and is it mainly a slow dramatic score....are there action cues?

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    posted 05-16-2001 08:54 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Buy the CD on tuesday.

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    posted 05-16-2001 08:55 PM PT (US)     

     Drixorial
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    Tell us more!!

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    posted 05-17-2001 03:08 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lancelot:
    Buy the CD on tuesday.

    Not if you don't answer the question: is there action music on the damn frisbee or not? Please?!?!?!?


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    posted 05-17-2001 05:55 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    I'm sorry, I thought I was allowed to post my opinion on this board.


    I am glad to be the first to dismiss Michael Bay's choice of composer.

    I am the FIRST to admit that some of Zimmer's more recent scores, Hannibal & Gladiator aside, have been pretty good: The Pledge and Thin Red Line especially; I even dig The Prince of Egypt.


    but I hate it when the director wants another composer to ape John Barry's (or anyone else's) sound.
    It's ansulting to BOTH composers and indicative of Bay's continued musical tastelessness.
    Just hire the actual composer; the real thing. Especially if he is still alive and well.


    I am however, willing to give Zimmer the benefit of the doubt here.


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    posted 05-17-2001 07:36 AM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    JJH, maybe you should hear the score first before saying something like that. I'm not really defending Bay here, but I did in fact read a review for Pearl Harbor (the film) yesterday and this guy said that Zimmer's score sounded quite Morricone-ish. So, maybe you'll think it sounds like Goldsmith or something =P Just wait and see.

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    posted 05-17-2001 09:09 AM PT (US)     

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    Lancelot, I just find it odd that you decided to post "Neener, neener, guess what I got that you guys can't have yet" about Pearl Harbor, then refuse to give anyone any information on how it sounds.

    From the clips I've heard over at the PH site, it sounds like John Barry was tied up in a Media Ventures laboratory and prodded for "something boring", while Steve Jablonsky and Klaus Badelt transcribed and handed it over to Zimmer, who processed it all through 17 computers that all featured samples of the London Symphony Orchestra's strings.

    The guy who said Pearl Harbor's score sounded like Morricone more than likely meant that the score is all elegy. I'd be very interested in hearing Zimmer do something like Exorcist II or Cat O' Nine Tails with Pearl Harbor, but that's another story.

    Shaun Zimmer

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    posted 05-17-2001 09:34 AM PT (US)     

     Quill
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    Holy Crap Shaun...put a leash on those attack dogs. Yes, some people want details, others have made it clear they do not.

    I for one can wait another five days to hear you and other immediately trash the score.

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    posted 05-17-2001 10:50 AM PT (US)     

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    Hey everyone,

    I got an advanced copy of A.I. today. Wow, it's the most breath-taking musical experience of my ENTIRE LIFE!!! I'm certain I'll never hear anything better than this score- ever!!

    Can't tell you anything else, though. You'll have to wait until June 19th.

    Tim

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    posted 05-17-2001 10:52 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lancelot:
    Buy the CD on tuesday.

    I won't buy it unheard unless I have some idea of the contents... I REALLY want to know what its like: TRL? Or The Rock-type stuff? Please!

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    posted 05-17-2001 11:25 AM PT (US)     

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    Uhhh.... have you all taken your meds?

    I am looking forward to this score, for some reason. I think Tim_P is overreacting a little, perhaps jokingly (way to go). I applaud Lancelot for keeping me in the dark.

    Sorry about the "meds" line... is this too old already? Time to pack it up and ship it elsewhere? Dan?

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    posted 05-17-2001 11:29 AM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Shaun, Pearl Harbor a la Morricone's Cat O'Nine Tails? Yowzaaah.

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    posted 05-17-2001 11:32 AM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Shaun, TimP, et. al. --

    Maybe you've observed, maybe you haven't--when I post, I'm not given to adding that little "NP/Now Playing" tag on my posts. Why don't I do this? I think it's childish and self-serving. It's also a little *too* convenient.

    Example:
    Alan J. Pakula just died. NP: "The Pelican Brief".

    My point? Yes, it's very nice that you've taken the extra 5 seconds to put on the CD that currently fits the subject matter you're posting. But so what? Sometimes it's relevant, sometimes it isn't. But I don't see the point in showing off.

    I don't do the "neener-neener-neener" thing. I had a stroke of good fortune--which everyone here seems entitled to share with each other, though the validity of their claims rarely comes into question. (Oh--I've got the 2CD boot for "First Knight"!)

    ...and because I've chosen NOT to spoil it for everyone, I'm labeled a liar, a "dumbass"...(I noticed that Shaun re-edited his post to include that little gem.)

    You should find the track titles on any decent sales site. (Amazon, I believe, has them posted.) The track titles don't spoil anything. Is there action music? Well--define "action music"...("Glory" or "The Rock"--two different approaches to Action...)

    As our compatriot Kross has noted, it's also contextual.

    Does it sound similar to Barry? Yes, if your're familiar with some of Barry's works. Does it sound like previous Zimmer? Yes, in my opinion. (But I note that Zimmer's had a pretty extensive range, so....)

    Are there going to be those who hate it? There always are.

    Does this soundtrack stand a chance of going the "Titanic" route? It's possible.

    Is there something for everyone, male and female (I imply "masculine" and "feminine") to take away from this score? Yes.

    But geez, guys--don't insult me because I caught a break here. Don't think if you were in my place you'd do anything different.
    This whole site seems to be a contest of "Who Posted it First?" (Because, obviously, that person cares the most, right?) 1.5 seconds after the Oscar is announced, it's "Congrats to Tan Dun!"....

    I am attempting, even restraining in some regard, to consider those who'd like to have the initial pleasure of experience it first hand.
    For those who are looking forward to it, I would like to confirm their hopes.
    For those who are "borderline", I hope that I might influence them for the better.
    For those who hate Michael Bay, Jerry Bruckheimer, Hans Zimmer--what the hell can I say? Goldsmith would've done it better? Get a clue, or go rent "Patton" and get off my back.

    Opinions welcome. Just try not to get too personal, ok? There's a lot of opinions out there to consider without getting so ugly about it.

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    posted 05-17-2001 11:36 AM PT (US)     

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    Lancelot, I actually introduced the NP thing years and years ago to the AOL discussion boards for film music, in hopes that people may discover the listening habits and interests of others. If someone's playing a soundtrack I haven't heard in a long time, and I see it NP'd on someone's post, I am reminded of the score, and may pull it out. There is a lot more benefit to the NP thing, as well... but that's all I wanted to say.

    I need to get using it a bit more....

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    posted 05-17-2001 11:47 AM PT (US)     

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    I have to agree with Peter here. I do find it interesting to see what people are listening to, even if it's something I pine for and don't have.

    But it makes for interesting trivia!

    Dan

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    posted 05-17-2001 11:51 AM PT (US)     

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    For the record, I was only joking around. I don't care all that much about Pearl Harbor, and with all due respect to Lancelot, don't care about what he has (or hasn't) to say about the score. I can very easily wait a few days. I was just playing up to Shaun's posts...

    And, just so I don't see my post on Befan's site, NO, I DON'T have A.I.

    Tim

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    posted 05-17-2001 11:55 AM PT (US)     

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    My copy just shipped. Expect my thoughts over the next couple of days.

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 05-17-2001 12:03 PM PT (US)     

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    Calm down people. Who cares if someone has the score already.

    Nothing matters untill we all see the film. End of story.

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    posted 05-17-2001 12:10 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Peter--
    I'm a driftover way back from Hollywood.com's forums, so I certainly remember when NP came into play--so to speak. But, certainly with respect for what you've done/are trying to do, I didn't think much of the idea then, and it's been a consistent feeling. (Heck, I could virtually tell about everyone's listening habits just by reading their posts....but all the same, I'm not ranting against it--this is the first time I've mentioned it since it began. I'm just saying it to make a point. But thanks.

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    posted 05-17-2001 12:15 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    (and despite the disdain that I infer from Kross' post, I have to agree with him, in a way...it's only fair when we're all on relatively equal ground here, which would be either on Tuesday, or Wednesday, considering.)

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    posted 05-17-2001 12:25 PM PT (US)     

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    Way to go, all of you! Each and every one!

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    posted 05-17-2001 01:35 PM PT (US)     

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    Thank you!

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    posted 05-17-2001 01:37 PM PT (US)     

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    Hello! I'm a hans zimmer spanish fan!!!
    Here I must wait a 2 month later for buy pearl harbor score!
    Please,can you answer some questions???

    First:In this score there are male or female chorus???

    second:the love themes are composed by orchestra but the epic parts features a great orchestra or is all synth???

    third:All score is composed by zimmer??

    foutrh and the last:42 minuts is a very short running time,I WANT MORE SCORE!!!Maybe official release content more music????
    Thanks!!!
    Is a loooong message,but I can't hardly wait! I WANT TO BE FROM E.E.U.U!!!
    ))
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    posted 05-17-2001 05:54 PM PT (US)     

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    Good call on the NP postings there Pete K, I have more than once been influenced to play something I haven't heard in a while from seeing someone elses NP!

    NP : Casualties Of War - Morricone

    Long live The NP posts

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    posted 05-17-2001 06:30 PM PT (US)     

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    Come on, man. Dumbass is said out of love.

    Shaun

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