this is where the problem begins. I can't give my source and I probably shouldn't have said anything at all about this...although this wasn't really told to me in confidence. It might sound fishy, it may not. Zimmer seems to be more of a fishy person anywyas, but that is neither here nor there.
You can choose to believe this or not, but as for me, based on historical evidences involving Zimmer, I can see this to be factual.
As I said before, i don't consider myself a Zimmer basher. I don't like the whole Media Vulture thing, but when I find a score I like, I buy it and listen to it and will express myself as such. I like Pearl Harbor. I like it a lot.

Enough said.

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As we've all learned ... encouraging "jerks" by saying that you hate what they're doing, only seems to goad them on. Maybe if you ignore them....they'll go away.....

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Unfortunately, that only seems to work in personal conflict. I've been ignoring the likes of Britney Spears and N'Sync for some time now, and alas, they're still around.

No, I'm afraid I'm going to have to stick to my argument, here. Yes, positive criticism is well and good, and we should make what we like known, but we should also act to discourage what we dislike. As I see it, the worst we can do by saying negative things about composers who've disappointed us is to scare some potential fans away from them. On the other hand, speaking our minds has the potential to help us find like-minded people, to receive feedback about our opinions, to make some people think about what they're supporting, and maybe to get the composers we're speaking against to change their ways a bit, or at least consider our arguments.

If you find someone who likes cold water, you assume they don't like hot water as much.

Just the same...

If you find someone who hates hot water, you can pretty much assume they like cold water better.

NP: Goldsmith's "Outland" - Hot Water

(Could it be possible--shock--to like/appreciate both Goldsmith and Horner? Williams and Zimmer....?)

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(Could it be possible--shock--to like/appreciate both Goldsmith and Horner? Williams and Zimmer....?)

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Which is why, again, I reiterate that wouldn't you rather find in common something that is mutually liked, than disliked?

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"hate"--may be a strong word in this case--though sometimes "hate" is appropriate....

but my point is--finding commonalities in dislikes is probably (like the dark side) easier, more seductive....

Is it easier to find something to appreciate about something you don't generally care for, rather than just leaping to the "hate it" side? (And seeing how, as of now, we're a still small-but-growing community of soundtrack/score afficianados, here...aren't the chances better at finding someone with similar tastes?

I know it seems like I just "love everything", here, though I don't. I'm actually very hesitant about Howard Shore scoring Lord of the Rings. (And those of you who scoff at holding Zimmer in regard may think, "Big surprise--this guy obviously doesn't have any taste.") I enjoy the hell out of Jerry Goldsmith, though sometimes when he does this "little" pre-summer movies like Along Came a Spider...well, <shrug> there doesn't seem like anything to get attached to. It's a job--he does it capably, but is it one of his more memorable? Naaah. Do I rant about it? Do I start with the "this movie's gonna suck"-type statements. What's the point? Am I disappointed that he didn't do the Mummy sequel? Well, sure, if just for continuity's sake, but I don't think Silvestri's let anyone down. I'd rather encourage folks to seek out Wind and the Lion (which one doesn't usually stumble upon in your basic music stores), or Chinatown, if they're looking for good mystery. I'm not gonna say that you shouldn't ever see Spider, or even buy the music, if so inclined. 9.8 times out of 10, I'll buy John Williams, even I never do see the movie....

When it comes down to it, though, Steve, in a worst case scenario, consider this: no one is asking you to like less film music, nor is anyone asking you to criticize scores or participate in arguments. However, some of us do enjoy critical debates of the merits of various composers, and seek them out on these boards. Isn't it better to let these discussions be, in case they are productive, rather than attempting to shut them down?

Forgive my attempt to make a pop-culture reference--i'm not getting all "rabid-fan" on you, suggest that negative posters are the disciples of the Sith.....

<sigh>

just fightin' the good fight....y'know? "do not go gently into that bad criticism", and all that stuff....

'Once more into the debate, dear friends, once more...'