NP: Searching for Bobby Fischer (Horner) ***/*****

I also believe that Andre likes this score, as well.

He's still a hack. I have proof!

I believe the film is good, but not brilliant and blah blah blah. The story was somewhat vauge and I didn't like it all that much.

Why score and brilliant visuals help a movie, it all comes down to the words.

--Brian

PS: I am a writer and editor, I love both, visuals and words, the score is a bouns

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Originally posted by Hasta:
Now not to point fingers, but a few months back somebody told me that they wouldn't trade any Goldsmith score for Zimmer's TTRL.

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the score and the cinematography. Just beautiful to look at, in my opinion.

The score is Zimmer's best work.

The film itself is I think trash. The voiceovers are annoying. However annoying that is, all the CAMEOS by famous people also detract. How many fleeting characters do you need?

I came away from this film with absolutely nothing.

There are so many awesome themes in the film, I didn't like the cameos, but everything else was stunning.

Well, he was a Neandrathal. And I was an idiot for not appreciating this movie initially, as subsequent viewings have taught me. While I still believe that some of the monologues/inner voices in this movie sound a bit like a collective thought, and not quite separated enough to fit each character, I think this movie is BRILLIANCE!!!

It is a WRITER'S movie. It is an EDITOR'S movie. An ACTOR'S movie and a SHOOTER'S movie. Once in a while, a movie comes along that is misunderstood by the masses as trivial uppity garbage because our Hollywood system has conditioned us not to think. The movie theatre is a microcosm of our country. Who wants to think when you have JACKASS and JERRY SPRINGER.

Movies like THIN RED LINE, SEVEN, FIGHT CLUB, MAGNOLIA, LEGENDS OF THE FALL, LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST, GOODFELLAS, HEAT, GLORY, NATURAL BORN KILLERS and Kubrick's films. These are films of passion that are the Shakspearean equivalents of our time, of our medium. They realize the canvas which exists at the disposal of a filmmaker. And while I love STAR WARS and Steven, these types of films tread sensitive ground that Spielberg and Lucas will never be able to touch. But this is what we've been conditioned to avoid. Thinking.

THIN RED LINE is a wonderful film. A true display of how war must really be, even more so than PLATOON or SAVING PRIVATE RYAN (sans its famous opening 20 minutes). Wonderful music. Powerful musical ambience. Zimmer proves his range by being able to do this, as well as something like THE ROCK. Hurrah for reminding us how good this film is with this post. It is refreshing to see it get its due praise.

The best parts of the score are, of course, not from Zimmer and for the rest it's just "The Shooting of Wilson" from William's BORN ON THE FOURTH OF JULY, only worst.

I've heard that some people consider it to be "brilliant", but if a real and talented composer as Goldsmith or Morricone have composed such a lame and weak score everybody with good sense would chuckle.

But at least Zimmer didn't ruin the film as he usualy does (GLADIATOR, for example).

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Originally posted by André Lux:

BTW, the movie is quite good, but not a masterpiece, and much better than the ludicrous imperialist propaganda SLEEPING PRIVATE BORE.

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I would hardly call SAVING PRIVATE RYAN a "sleeping bore" and "ludicrous imperialistic propoganda" Give me a break. It's remembrance of a group of young men that one day were playing baseball in high school and then the next thrusting their souls and guts onto a bullet ridden beach. Hardly imperialistic propaganda. It was an attack on a beast of tyranny that would have assumed step on you as look at you. And to ask that this innocence be disembowled from the souls of our countymen (really just boys) and the countrywomen to be abandoned to run the country...Ah those days are passed. Now were a country filled with lazy spoiled brats that cry if they have to do the dishes or their paying jobs. For God's sake don't be so naive about history or those who pay tribute to it which such moving elegies are dedicated to.

We're not Central America. This is AMERICA. And despite his name, everything Goldsmith touches is not Gold. Or Morricone for that matter. Zimmer did just fine with this film.

THIN RED LINE (like I've written before, I wish I could make 2 boring-ass films, be called a genius, retire for 20 years, then make another boring-ass film, and still be called a genius)

SEVEN (No qualms about this one. Fincher may be our only hope for the future.)

FIGHT CLUB (Fincher, man)

MAGNOLIA ("I wish David Fincher testicular cancer"; it's funny that someone like PTA can say something like this, as he's built a career out of totally ripping off Scorsese; the fact that John C. Reilly is in all of his films is his only saving grace; I liked Hard Eight; less pretentiously overlong)

LEGENDS OF THE FALL (I'm a sucker for the ending of this film, but it is slightly tedious and borders on being a commercial for Brad Pitt's hair)

LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST (nothing to say about this)

GOODFELLAS (a classic; ever see Mean Streets?)

HEAT (Frankenheimer and Michael Mann know how to use widescreen to its full effect)

GLORY (great stuff)

NATURAL BORN KILLERS (Oliver Stone when he REALLY started to go off the deep end; this is a good example of something I hate; I'll break the parenthesis for this)

I hate going over to the house of people who say they love movies. I see the same 7 things at every one of their homes:

A Clockwork Orange
Natural Born Killers
Reservoir Dogs
Pulp Fiction (pan and scan!)
Apocalypse Now (pan and scan!)
a hash pipe and various drug paraphernalia
copy of The Catcher In The Rye (the one with the white cover)

Maybe it's just this area, but it's really annoying when you can't talk to these people about something like The 400 Blows without one of them exhaling, coughing, and saying, "Dude, porn rules!" Something similar to that actually happened to me at a video store. Anyway, I didn't really write much of substance above (too busy writing to this total ass JJ).

Shaun

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Originally posted by Lightborne:
We're not Central America. This is AMERICA. And despite his name, everything Goldsmith touches is not Gold. Or Morricone for that matter. Zimmer did just fine with this film.

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Hilarious! "THIS IS AMERICA!"
No wonder why he doesn't consider SLEEPING PRIVATE BORE an imperialist propaganda...

The kind of USAian that obviously cried while watching ARMAGEDDOOM and PITIFUL HARBOR.

BTW, I live in Brasil and, therefore... THIS IS AMÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉRICA!!

P.S.: Goldsmith is God and Morricone is the Holy Ghost. Zimmer is just one of Satan's pets.

And you aren't?

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Originally posted by Hasta:
And you aren't?

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Of course not! Otherwise I would praise Hamzimmer's noise!

Next stupid question...

SPR is NOT good history (we can tell that by the bars on Hanks' helmet...should be your first clue).

SPR is a bit sappy with the flag-waving bookends, TRL is just horrendously pretentious and stuffy all the way through, with purty pitchers.

I'm guessing that Andre thinks only Brazilians should've have stormed the beach at Normandy, or at least been given credit for the WWII victory. Which is fine by me...there'd be more tropical rain forest...

I would also wager that Andre should've not seen the SPR film in the first place.
If you hate all things American, it doens't make sense at all to see an American WWII film.

WARNING TO ANDRE:
Stay away from Pearl Harbor!

and now I'm guessing Kross thinks only he could've directed the story.

I find SPR a moving cinematic tribute to WW2 veterans, giving a glimpse of what they went through, albeit centered around a not-so-strong story.
If you can't have any respect for the film in that regard, then you are indeed thoughtless, and probably need to be taught a lesson about the sacrifices of the WW2 generation...sacrifices that let you berate them freely on an internet film music message board.

Hook is a bad Speilberg film

Jurassic Park is a bad film (much worse than the source novel).

Amistad only told the politically correct half of it's story.

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Originally posted by Kross:
SPR was not propaganda Andre, it was just done by a man who is a big kid and not to fond of the mental side of things. I am not a fan of SPR but it is not a governmental plot to fill americans with BS, it is just a director that doesn't know any better.

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I agree with you Kross. Lets just say that SPR is an "unintentional" imperialist propaganda, for now on. Althought I am not sure if Spielberg is such a naive person. But his audiences are, that's for sure.

As for JJ's comments above: you can be sure I will never see a crap like PEARL HARBOR. And I must thank Michael Bay for calling the Zimmer travesty to "score" his movie. Just another reason for me to run from it.

And next to the silliness and inacuracy of SPR, a movie like TRL is indeed a masterpiece. Even with music by the travesty himself!!

Shaun

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Originally posted by sean:

Hey Shaun, what are you? The Ultimate Source of Good Cinema? Why can't you just respect other people's opinions on other movies. Do they really give a damn if you hate all of Terrence Malick's films, or that you're bitchy because someone doesn't have the widescreen version of Apocalypse Now or Pulp Fiction? Something that's not cherished by you does not mean it's obsolete; you know, the world would be a pretty boring place if everyone loved the same music you love and the same movies. Maybe you have an inferiority complex or something (...oh geez, you know what, I think I read that from the one with the white cover!)

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This is a board for discussion, and even though the world would be boring if we all loved the same music and movies, it would be downright stagnant if we didn't let the dissenting voices be heard. (Another way Shaun's post could be read is as a criticism of kids who "love movies" but who really just love violence; I could be wrong, but nothing's quite so laughable as undergrad poseurs. Violence is still great and everything though.)

Speaking of violence, does anyone else miss 70s movie blood?

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Originally posted by André Lux:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Lightborne:
[b] We're not Central America. This is AMERICA. And despite his name, everything Goldsmith touches is not Gold. Or Morricone for that matter. Zimmer did just fine with this film.
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Hilarious! "THIS IS AMERICA!"
No wonder why he doesn't consider SLEEPING PRIVATE BORE an imperialist propaganda...

The kind of USAian that obviously cried while watching ARMAGEDDOOM and PITIFUL HARBOR.

BTW, I live in Brasil and, therefore... THIS IS AMÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉRICA!!

P.S.: Goldsmith is God and Morricone is the Holy Ghost. Zimmer is just one of Satan's pets.

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Wonderful, Andre.

For someone who is named Lux, this is definitely not turned on in you. I'm sorry that I have a patriotism for what my country once was and had done to stop an empire that would have most certainly sank your country to the bottom of the sea. Your people certainly weren't there on that beach and I'm certain you would never be seen to accept a fate such as those boys did - without question...without WHINING!!!. But for you, I guess, it's easier to sit with your fellow banana spiders and grease up your sarcastic fangs to take another sarcastic bite at the imperialistic conspiratal monstosity known as the USA.

For you to make comments like this once again surfaces your ignorance. But they are SOOOO sarcastic, so it's BITING!!! You play on pronunciations of words in your funny mode, while in serious mode reach for your inane theoretical discussions on the racial conspiracy linked to movies like PROOF OF LIFE. Because the Caucasion male sits...waiting...ready to pounce on all the other races. (At least that's what they told us at the meeting the other day.)

And by the way, this USAian belongs to the country that dominates world cinema. Yours could only hope to produce something on the same technical and visual level as ARMAGEDDON and PEARL HARBOR.

What was the last film you all made. Oh yeah, nobody can remember.

What was the last contribution your country made to a World War? Oh yeah, nobody can remember that either.

Drug Trade?

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Originally posted by Kross:
SPR was great for once again getting people interested in WWII and veterans. Most of my family have been and are in the military, so I have the greatest respect in every way for veterans. Since I am in a military family should I like SPR? No.

Not necessarily, but...

A family member of mine who is in the military actually hated the film for it's lack of brains and because it was fakey beyond that 20 minutes.

It's a movie. No movie will exactly duplicate reality, that including documentaries. By this rational, we should hate STAR WARS. And how does your relative know it was "fakey"? Was he present in history to verify this? The present military has quite changed from that point. From many interviews that I've read, veterans verified the accuracy of more than that just the opening 20 minutes. 'Course that could just be the imperialistic propaganda beast going around again.

Sure, it has a positive effect on people and veterans...but as a film it sucks. Steven is good at what he does but so what. When he makes a smart film I will respect him in my mind.

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If it has a positive effect on people and veterans, doesn't that make it the antithesis of a film that sucks. Ans if Steven is good at what he does, which is making films, then what's the "so what" part?
As I had stated in an earlier post, I believe there are areas of human emotion and experience that Steven will never touch in his movies, but I believe the was approaching the runway with SCHINDLER'S LIST and EMPIRE OF THE SUN. Do these count for a "smart" films?