I'd use "The Bad Death of Edward Delacroix" from THE GREEN MILE...the sole action cue of Thomas Newman's career.

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``I think it will resonate with him. I think it will lift his spirits...My intention is to provide comfort to Tim McVeigh,'' Woodard told Reuters on Wednesday.

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Provide comfort to McVeigh. I think the last minutes of his life should be as horrible as possible.

That composer is providing comfort for the wrong person.

This is just a way for an unknown (heck, I don't know him) "composer" to get his name out.

I think McVeigh should go via either George Crumb's "Night of the Electric Insects" or Gyorgy Ligeti's "Musica Ricercata, II (Mesto, rigido e cerimoniale)", both of which I find excruciatingly irritating to listen to.

Eric Serra.

Goldeneye.

"Ladies First".

This guy deserves a live set of music by Brujeria, the gas chamber, the electric chair, and the guillotine all at once.

Yeah, go find out what brujeria means. There is nothing worse, and this band lives up to the name.

You know, the composer David Woodard should be given a good dose of Brujeria, too, for calling McVeigh a "Jesus Christ of the modern day."

I flatlined a minute into that score. My life flashed before my eyes, unfortunately still accompanied by Eric Serra music. I brought myself to life to turn that piece of crap off.

I haven't killed anyone, so there's no way the last moments of my life are going to be underscored by Serra.

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Originally posted by Camillu:
Make him listen to Goldeneye all you want. But [b]nobody has the right to kill him.[/B]

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Oh sh-t , here we go.

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Originally posted by Ricard L. Befan:
No one deserves to die.

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I'm sure McVeigh was thinking about that when he set off the bomb.

To act as he does is to be no better than him.

Putting him to death will do NOTHING to amend the grief of those who have lost so much by his act.

And what's more, McVeigh WANTS to die. Why in the f*ck should we give this pr*ck the very thing he wants?

Yes, I do.

We pay enough to keep plenty of innocent and much-less-harmful people holed up in jail for their entire lives. At least this assh*le deserves it.

100% totally worth every penny to see him squirm 'til judgment.

2. By killing him, you the American people are going down to his level.

3. Killing him resolves nothing.

4. 168 people dead is always better than 169.

I understand the death penalty advocates, but am still opposed to giving the government the right and ability to kill convicted criminals.

Arguements about the rights of society and the rights of victims for revenge are fascist. Sure it costs money to support a person that can't be allowed to ever live free. So to save a couple of extra bucks, you execute 'em? Fine, what about old people, they're a burden, give them euthenasia. Most criminals can't be rehabilitated, they should go too. Blacks, jews, gays, the handicapped and mentally ill, in fact, anyone who isn't of true Aryan blood, all a burden to resources, a barrier to the good of a healthy society, let's get rid of 'em all.

You see, just who society is and what they decide can be fluid throughout history. Governments and peoples can become corrupt and actually think they are on the right path. That's why, even in democracies, strict rules supporting individual rights are the best way to insure that people's lives won't be violated by government.

As for revenge, I think we culturally disapprove. If your wife sleeps around, you may want to shoot her, and many might agree that that's OK, but it isn't. Taking the law into your own hands is likewise personal and subjective. Pushing the court process to do what your hands are legally tied from doing is really the same thing. Courts are there to take a crime, identify the criminal and seperate them from the population so they cannot commit more crimes. Society determines what a crime is, but it should be seen as something which affronts the individual and his property and little else. Just because you want to punish someone for doing something that effected your life is no reason why the government should allow you to or act in your place to do so. As an aside, there are way too many laws on the books that prohibit your freedoms as it is IMHO.

Haven't you guys watched M by Fritz Lang? Giving the government wider powers to confront crime is not the solution. And, once you're dead, you're dead. If someone shoots me and they get the chair, what do I care? I'm not around and it don't bring me back.

It's been shown through studies that the death penalty doesn't deter or lower the murder rates. Ultimate punishment comes from God, not Man, and God can forgive.

I agree that criminals need to be seperated from the normal population for very practical reasons, but to become morally superior, indignant, to wish for justice and retribution against criminals is just pretention. It's not our place to think we're above what is within the realm of human action. It's very possible that the most ardent death penalty supporter could find themselves in a situation where they've been arrested for murder. So don't think you're morally superior to criminals.

Also, death is unavoidable. You can die today, just a few seconds from now in fact. Every moment is dangerous. There are no guarantees that you or your loved ones won't be removed and removed violently and irrationally and in great pain and misery. Executing someone on top of this seems pointless.

I believe in the expense of courts and criminologists to identify and incarcerate criminals. I do not believe in invoking morality as an excuse to do more violence.

Also, I don't believe in the idea of the bad seed. There seems to be this idea of "the bad guy" who the good guy exterminates like a bug and takes out of the gene pool so that the next generation will have less bad guys to deal with. This seems to be a lingering hold-over from archaic ideas about evolution that nonetheless permiates our culture.

I say that as entertaining and dramatic as it is, any film where someone murders someone and then is killed by the hero/police is a film that supports this ridiculous fascist notion of a death penalty to rid the gene pool of criminal seed. Just about every western and action film we love is just a rude support of this nonesense--it appeals to something human in us, but probably to some manner of doing things before the rise of agriculture and cities and is centuries out of date.

I understand the need of police to shoot suspects resisting arrest, those about to commit crimes, and in self-defence, but this is something entirely different from the fascist philosophy promoted by this kind of narrative.

There's much more to say, but I'll leave it at that for now.

If someone wants to commission a piece of music and some composer is willing, ok. However, a prisoner is not exactly a private citizen with a full slate of freedoms, and if the prison officials refuse to allow the work played during their proceedures, I think that is their decision to make.

You people who don't like the death penalty always seem to discount the fact that these people are NOT nice people. These are NOT people who wil lgo back to society and be nice people with a big house, 2 cars and 2.3 children.

These are people who did horrendous things.
People who rape, strangle, bludgeon to death....

And often they are people that are the essence of pure evil. Don't kid youself into believing otherwise.

Compassion is nice and good-hearted, but no amount of therapy is going to right them.

These are people who were found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It is EXTREMELY hard to convict a person in our system, even if you have a rent-a-lawyer public defender (though these guys are so incompetenet they often lose their cases).
Of course, some people are wrongfully accused.
Of course some innocents have been put out on death row.
Find them, and get them the hell out.
Fight corruption at all levels.

evil must be exterminated.

When you blow up a building and call 168 dead people "collateral damage" you do not deserve to live.

screw Timothy McVeigh and all the militia freaks like him.

Lethal Injection is too good for him.

If you cut other lives short, you deserve to have your life cut short as well.
My tax dollars aren't going to help murderers live long and prosper while my friend and student is long gone.

We should take a hint from Ancient Rome and use crucifixion.

After all, Marcus Tullius Cicero described crucifixion in his book "In Verrem" as: "a cruel punishment reserved for slaves or for non-Roman citizens who had committed rebellion, treason, murder or robbery against patriarchs, slave owners in ancient Rome".

I think that fits McVeigh.

While your passions obviously run high in this issue, I still don't see how executing McVeigh really accomplishes anything remotely good.

Tooth for a tooth and eye for an eye is pure Old Testament... outmoded and primitive thinking. Our good friend Jesus, as well as a half dozen other wonderful messianic-type people, showed up way before and not long after to set the record straight:

To kill a murderer is to become what you have beheld. It does nothing of value. It perpetuates a nasty little circle of hate and violence.

You say we must exterminate evil. I say this is an impossible goal. I don't mean it cynically, I am not a negative person... I believe in the power of love to overcome every obstacle.

But wanting to exterminate evil is like wanting to breathe in but never breathe out. Love and hate, good and bad, they are not only intertwined but also entirely subjective.

One man's murder is another man's chicken dinner. Think about it.

I don't think people shouldn't be executed because they are someday going to rehabilitate. I don't think murderers are nice people. In fact, I don't care how rude you are until you lay a hand on someone and murderers are people who cross that line. You murder someone and are convicted you go to jail for life. I can deal with that fine.

It's when you go beyond that to execution that I have problems. We can do it. Most states do. A lot of people believe very strongly for it. I still don't think it's our province or right to and I think it's arrogant to believe so and very dangerous to give this power to the state. "Evil should be exterminated" is exactly the kind of sentiment I consider overkill. Who are you to determine what is evil and if that's the proper way to deal with it? The code of eye for eye which was justice in Hammurabi's time is thousands of years old and doesn't completely mesh with what we know about behavior, environment, genetics, philosophy, and ethics in the 20th century.

"He deserves to die, or not die so he can suffer longer, lethal injection is soft, he should be crucified."

Your response to someone's bloodthirst is what, to become just as bloodthirsty? What, are you jealous you can't kill people yourself? Leave your bloodthirst aside. Do not use someone's violation of a human being or beings as an excuse to feel righteous and indignant, to judge someone, and to take more life no matter how mean and worthless it is (just because someone doesn't serve society's best aims doesn't really mean a thing actually, we're not here to help each other or aid society but to support ourselves and our happiness within legal boundaries). Prison is enough. Execution goes beyond rendering someone harmless to society (as prison already does) into satisfying some perverse emotion inside those who clammor for it (which I don't understand because I've never felt it myself).

I'm very suspicious of the real motives of people who want the death penalty.

"If you cut lives short, you deserve to have your life cut short." Perhaps under those circumstances it's true, from some perspective, you do deserve to have your life cut short. But, I don't think the legal system or any individual should follow through with it. Punishment you deserve doesn't always have to be inflicted and I think we should tie our own hands when it comes to considering the execution of prisoners.

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Originally posted by dgoldwasAfter all, Marcus Tullius Cicero described crucifixion in his book "In Verrem" as: "a cruel punishment reserved for slaves or for non-Roman citizens who had committed rebellion, treason, murder or robbery against patriarchs, slave owners in ancient Rome".

I think that fits McVeigh.

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Nonsense.

The bastard wasn't even alive in ancient Rome to have done any of those things.

He did blow up a federal building and kill 168 people, though.

(jokey joke)

NP: Goldsmith's "The Sand Pebbles"

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While your passions obviously run high in this issue, I still don't see how executing McVeigh really accomplishes anything remotely good.

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It is not necessarily bloodthirsty for someone to pay the ultimate price for the gruesome murder of a friend, a loved one.

It pains me to no end that someone is walking around that bludgeoned my friend to death, then tried to set her on FIRE.
I can only imagine what it'd be like if it were a family member.

The execution of a convicted murderer helps family members move on with their lives.
It gives them a sense of closure knowing the killer is gone.
Life incarceration is not any kind of way to deal with the issue. I believe it cruel to the family. The murderer gets to walk around, breathe air, eat food, work out, watch cable....do all the things most people take for granted.

We're talking about the violation of the
sanctity and preciousness of life itself. It is disturbing to me that people want to find out WHY the killer did what he did, and merely lock him up for eternity at taxpayer expense.

Am I bloodthirsty? If you say so, but I'm a realist, too. Fight fire with fire, not a garden hose.

Camillu, what many people in Europe do not understand is that violent crime in the United States is down to it's lowest level in DECADES, at least since 1965.
Again, it's all relative when you take into consideration population.

High profile crimes, like school shootings, make it seem like all we do is run shooting each other. The same is true when we talk of airplane crashes, when 300 people are killed at one time. Well, roughly 10 TIMES that many people are killed each YEAR in CAR CRASHES. But the immediacy of a plane crash makes it seem all that much worse.
Of course, it's bad, but shouldn't we be fighting to make cars safer as a result?

When I look at the recent soccer riots in Ghana and Croatia I cannot do anything but laugh at the notion that the US is the most violent nation on earth. Sudan still has a strong slavery market for God's sake. China rustles up Catholic priests and imprisons theme for practicing their religion. And don't get me started on the genocide that's taken place in Serbia, Nazi Germany, and Rwanda...

Sorry, I've gone and went Daniel 2 on yo' ass

It's also, again, what McVeigh wants, and that alone is reason enough for me to want to not give it to him.

JJH, you make prison sound like it's some kind of easygoing cake walk. Have you ever had your freedom taken away? It may seem like walking around, eating, and watching TV is just great... but it is quite different when you know you can't go anywhere else. In fact, all those other 'perks' quickly begin to mean nothing.