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PeterK

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These very fine silver screen composers share the same birthdate - today, appropriately enough. They come from very different cultures, one from Russia the other from Austria, and both cleanly stamped Hollywood with unique brands.To the fans of these composers' music and lives, I think a lot of us would be happy to read any account of favorites scores, songs, or other contributions made by these two.
For me, I will always hold close Steiner's King Kong score, truly the first "John Williams" score ever written for movies (I don't know if by saying this I have offended all Williams' fans - I mean it in a good way). As for Tiomkin, what a player when it came to understanding the studio pressure for songs in flicks - High Noon is a piece of work, as is his incredibly useful music in Giant. I've always loved the idea that a Russian-born composer could successfully write such great Hollywood Western music. Such is the magical opportunity of making movies.
Anyone else?
posted 05-10-2001 08:17 AM PT (US) 
Marc Flake

OscarŽ Winner

For Tiomkin I'd have to pick "The Alamo" as my favorite. The main theme, "The Green Leaves of Summer" and the Delguello Theme can be called up in my memory any time I want them. These are very evocative themes for me. I can't help but get misty when hearing "Green Leaves." The words to the main title song are extremely hokey, but as a Texan I can't help but like 'em.My favorite Max Steiner score is "The Adventures of Don Juan." Primarily I like the playfulness of the opening scene where everyone thinks Don Juan is some visting court offical and the music played for the doomed love between Don Juan and the Queen. Everything in between is cream gravy. Yummy!
posted 05-10-2001 08:59 AM PT (US) 
JJH

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only have two Tiomkin scores.better bust out with them:
The Alamo and Friendly Persuasion.
posted 05-10-2001 10:15 AM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

OscarŽ Winner

What a nice coincedence, seeing as to how I've been on a Golden Age kick lately, and played the old lp for Death of A Scoundrel last night!I love Steiner's work, but only have Guns of Navarone,and old LP of The Old Man and the Sea, and the Gerhardt comp. Lost Horizon(which is just incredible!!).
Where else should one start for primo Tiomkin???
Sean
posted 05-10-2001 10:17 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

OscarŽ Winner

I don't know too many Max Steiner scores, but from what I've heard, I'd pick Don Juan as my favourite. The suite on Gerhardt's Errol Flynn compilation is fantastic. I also love The Three Musketeers, available in suite form on Marco Polo's Captain Blood album (and incidentally, I got both discs primarily for Blood
).BTW, if anyone of you has ever been to Vienna, he probably knows the "Riesenrad". Steiner's father's work had something to do with it, though I can't remember what (did he own it? did he build it?)
I'm afraid the only Tiomkin score I ever heard was for a Hitchcock film (Dial M for Murder?)

posted 05-10-2001 11:01 AM PT (US) 
Pete M

OscarŽ Winner

King Kong's awesome. I particularly love the bit with the tribal dance. Drumpha wumphoa boom!! (Yep, I can't remember what it ges like).
Unfortunately, I don't have too many Steiner scores in my collection. I can't decide which version of Gone With the Wind to get, but I do know I'd really love to have that Son of Kong disc...As for Tiomkin, I also have far too inufficent of his works in my CD collection, but I do love the Alamo overture. And the way he plays with the song in High Noon is awesome.

posted 05-10-2001 11:44 AM PT (US) 
SPQR

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Strange, how Tiomkin, one of the most commercially successful composer of his time, should be so neglected in this, a time of plenty. Certainly, I'd much rather have a complete 'Land of the Pharoahs' than an 'Aliens' to choose from, but naturally a 50 year old abomination of a Joan Collins vehicle will never muster as much casual interest as one with rampaging monsters...I suppose I'll just have to settlle for the boot.
posted 05-10-2001 12:22 PM PT (US) 
Gae

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I agree with PeterK about King Kong! Its also my personal favourite of Steiner's as well as his own.
I only have the following by these two great composers (I really need to buy more!!..so much music and so little time (and money)
):-King Kong (Marco Polo)
King Kong (Fred Steiner conducting)
Casablanca
Gone With the Wind
The Classic film scores of Humphrey Bogart
Classic scores of... (both C. Gerhardt)The Old Man and the Sea (autographed promo LP)
The Thing (suite)
The Alamo (theme)
High Noon (theme)
Friendly Persuasion (theme)Gae NP John Barry:The Collection
[Message edited by Gae on 05-10-2001]
posted 05-10-2001 03:37 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

OscarŽ Winner

If you enjoy Steiner's KING KONG as much as I do, then you should definitely take a listen to Marco Polo's re-recording of SON OF KONG / THE MOST DANGEROUS GAME. These three scores are cut from the same cloth, and the similarity in styles makes them work wonderfully together.Dan
posted 05-10-2001 04:06 PM PT (US) 
mgh

OscarŽ Winner

Steiner's THE FLAME AND THE ARROW, and THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE should also be mentioned. Both are wonderful scores.
Tiomkin's 36 HOURS, THE GUNS OF NAVARONE, THE BIG SKY, and RED RIVER are also great scores.
posted 05-10-2001 04:32 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

OscarŽ Winner

quote:
Originally posted by Gae:
The Adventures of Robin HoodHuh? Steiner?
NP: Sergei Prokofiev: Alexander Nevsky Cantata (LSO, André Previn)
posted 05-10-2001 04:45 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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I have always liked the Alamo and all the unreleased music in there. Some of it was on the Foster CD awhile back. It had some of the great battle music in the latter part of the film. I also like 36 Hours, "the Horse Ballet" from Unforgiven, a great piece, Lost Horizon, and many others.On Steiner, there are also many of his I like. The same ones mentioned above and things like Operation Pacific, Helen of Troy, Charge of Light Brigade march, Treasure of Sierra Madre and many others. John.
posted 05-10-2001 05:01 PM PT (US) 
Gae

OscarŽ Winner

Marian, Just testing!!
Gae
posted 05-10-2001 05:34 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

OscarŽ Winner

I like a lot of Steiners scores, but I need to hear more of them.I adore Tiomkin for his versatility. Need action? Guns of Navarone, The
Thing, great westerns scores. Need melody? Try the lovely The High and
The Mighty and Friendly Persuasion. My favorites are Giant and Duel
In The Sun. Also like Red River and The Unforgiven. Check out the
great songs from his music like High Noon and Gunfight At O.K. Corral.
Also note the ingenious use of music during the tennis match in Hitchcocks
Stranger on the Train. More production of his music is needed.NP Great Westerns of Dimitri Tiomkin
posted 05-10-2001 05:54 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

OscarŽ Winner

Interestingly, Tiomkin's early [and perhaps his finest] score, Lost Horizon, was conducted by Max Steiner for the soundtrack performance.I'm much more fond of Tiomkin than Steiner but both are better than most in the field.
For Tiomkin, the original Lost Horizon tracks are a must (available on a variety of CDs now). The original (out-of-print) The Fall of the Roman Empire soundtrack and the Cloud Nine More Music from The Fall of the Roman Empire CD would follow.
For Steiner, I'd suggest a look at the Max Steiner Tape Library. Go to http://hometown.aol.com/steinerlib/index.htm
posted 05-11-2001 03:01 AM PT (US) 
John Morgan
OscarŽ Winner

My biased suggestion would be to pick up our recent Marco Polo Steiner discs. Not only are they authentic, but are played and recorded well and present Steiner's orchestration and nuances in great detail. Also, the booklets are a wealth of background information on the films and music.THEY DIED WITH THEIR BOOTS ON, Over 70 minutes from this exciting score, which features one of Steiner's best and most moving love themes and a finale battle that is simple an orchestrational and compositional masterpiece of action, color, thematic manipulation and energy. One of the greatest battle music sequences in any film.
KING KONG The complete score with all its power and detail heard for the first time.
THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE Famous film, famous score, with all kinds of instrumental color and excitement.
And our newest, SON OF KONG and THE MOST DANGEROUS GAME. The Game, from 1932, could be the first really great film score done for an American film. Another unbelievable chase sequence.
I also recommend the Brigham Young University for original tracks. (Their latest is THE GLASS MENAGERIE), but ADVENTURES OF DON JUAN, and THE FLAME AND THE ARROW and SHE are also standouts.
I would like to take another whack at CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE and THE THREE MUSKETEERS someday with Bill Stromberg and the MSO.
John
posted 05-11-2001 11:35 AM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

OscarŽ Winner

Welcome John!I agree, and as a matter of fact was playing DIED w/BOOTS ON last week. Magnificent work, although I must ask you chaps to stop! I can't keep up with you! I still need to get Devotion and Objective Burma for cryin' out loud!
Please! Subside for a bit! Between you and FSM, your all going to put the missus and I on the street!
Thank you, rant over

Seanposted 05-11-2001 12:53 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

OscarŽ Winner

Sorry OHMSS, gotta tell John M to keep 'em comin'....John, what was it like to hang with Harryhausen? I had no idea he'd tried to get Steiner scores recorded himself.
posted 05-11-2001 09:07 PM PT (US) 
PeterD

OscarŽ Winner

I was just watching SERGEANT YORK again on Turner Classic Movies a couple of nights ago, and thinking this would make a nice Morgan-Stromberg release, also.
posted 05-11-2001 10:43 PM PT (US) 
John Morgan
OscarŽ Winner

Ray Harryhausen is one of the last of the greats, and still "young" for 80. Max Steiner is his favorite film composer and he tried getting Max onto one of his films since Beast From 20,000 Fathoms. There were a lot of close calls. Merian Cooper wanted Steiner for MIGHTY JOE YOUNG, but Steiner was too busy at Warners and Warners wanted lots of money for a loan-out. Ray hoped that once 20,000 was bought by Warners, Steiner would score it, but like Ray says, it was only a small pickup and Steiner was busy on those "more important" pictures.
Finally, Max was first choice for Seventh Voyage of Sinbad, Rozsa second choice and Herrmann third.
Ray, however, was delighted that some of Steiner's music was tracked into his Columbia films from The Violent Men!!!
For years, Ray has had his holy grail of Steiner scores he wants recorded...We have done KONG and MOST DANGEROUS GAME. Now, he wants GARDEN OF ALLAH, A STOLEN LIFE, and SHE.Yes, Bill and I would love to do a complete recording of SGT. YORK. What a moving score and film. Maybe I could bill it with ONE FOOT IN HEAVEN, an unknown, but great score.
John
posted 05-12-2001 05:24 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
