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    Topic:   Matrix Complete

     Camillu
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    Hi there.

    I re-watched The Matrix on video this morning, and was reminded what a great film it is. I also gave my score a listen and liked it for the first time ever. I had always discarded it as boring atonal stuff that only works on screen.

    I heard there's a complete score out there, with, amongst others, the music from the Kung-Fu scene. Does anyone have it? And to those who do - is it worth getting?

    Merci

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    posted 05-04-2001 06:35 AM PT (US)     

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    It's actually taken from the DVD's isolated score. It's worth getting, in my opinion.

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    posted 05-04-2001 06:54 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    The CD is a poor representation of Don Davis' fantastic score. Not only does it leave out many great cues, but some of the present tracks are also severely cut, e.g. the "Trinity Infinity" cue. The DVD iso score has all the music (of course), some unfortunately have a bit of Don Davis' commentary at the beginning and/or end. Also, the sound quality on the CD is much better than on the DVD's iso score track.

    I've been working for weeks (months) on my own complete version, taking so long because I never find the time and because of the points stated above - trying to remove all the commentary without harming too much of the music. I'm also using as much music from the CD as possible, re-inserting the cut stuff from the iso score. Sounds great, but takes very much time.

    So, those of you who are still waiting for the copy of my CDs I promised them months ago, bear with me. I have a deadline at work at May 15, and then I'll finally get the discs done.

    NP: Who Framed Roger Rabbit? (Alan Silvestri)

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    posted 05-04-2001 07:15 AM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    Marian - Which are the main pieces missing? I must admit I didn't notice much of the music whilst watching the film, except for the Power Plant scene and when he gets up and realises he's the one (after being shot).

    I believe those two cues are all on the CD (the latter called 'Ontological Shock').

    What else am I missing?


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    posted 05-04-2001 07:20 AM PT (US)     

     cine-sin
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    Camillu,

    Let me know if you want the complete score.

    Regards,
    Rochelle

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    posted 05-04-2001 07:55 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Yes, these cues are both on the album. I don't exactly know what's missing on the album (I will know when I get the discs done), but the CD runs for 30 minutes, and there's over 74 minutes of original score in the film. Plus, I think the non-vocal songs blend nicely with the score (some are actually slightly enhanced by bits of Don Davis underscore), so I will include those as well. I don't like the rest of the songs (with lyrics), though.

    In "Trinity Infinity", the subdued passages are cut from the CD. You can hear one of the cuts very clearly, I think, and in my opinion, the balance of the track is ruined because the "bridges" between the action parts are missing.

    NP: Superman Expanded (John Williams) - When the Matrix discs are done, I'll have to start on Hollow Man, and then Superman

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    posted 05-04-2001 07:57 AM PT (US)     

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    I did a complete 2 cd score of the Matrix when it came out last year. It runs 99:15. There is absolutely no commentary over any of the music, and it's completely clean. Many here can vouch for the disc I made. There's really only 2 or 3 cues where Davis just begins speaking before the fade completes. I fixed that.

    Marian, you may already know, but make sure when doing the last track (when Keanu is on the phone), the music cuts to the rock-n-roll credits music. If you go to the end of the credits, the complete cue finishes from the phone booth. So you can get the full closing music.

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    posted 05-04-2001 08:15 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Yes, I knew that, thanks! It seems to me that the track is the same as the one on the album, though. I'll do a thorough comparison first, but if they're the same, I'll simply take the album track.

    BTW, did you notice the difference in the percussion at the beginning of The Hotel Ambush on CD and DVD? That cue generally was a real pain in the a**, because there are some heavy cuts on the CD that were extremely different to fill with DVD parts. And when I finished it, I managed to quit the program without saving the changes! D'OH!

    BTW, my disc will have a CD-ROM track with the entire Don Davis commentary.

    NP: Superman Expanded (John Williams)

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    posted 05-04-2001 08:30 AM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    Besides 'Spybreak' (which is superb IMO) which are the other non-lyric songs?

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    posted 05-04-2001 09:10 AM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    Any besides 'Clubbed to Death' which was discussed in the other thread (and which is also great)

    I heard the Prodigy, Rage and Marilyn Manson songs in the film or credits, but coudln't recognise any others. Are all the songs on the CD in the film somewhere, or were some added to beef up the CD ?

    Oh yes I also recognised Massive Attack in his headphones in the beginning...

    Thanks for all the help.

    [Message edited by Camillu on 05-04-2001]

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    posted 05-04-2001 10:44 AM PT (US)     

     James
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    There are some FANTASTIC cues missing from the album. Among them:

    - The music from the scene in which Neo first sits in the chair (while still in the Matrix) after he takes the pill and the mirror melts (which is taken straight from Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking-Glass).

    - The scene in which Morpheus explains what happens to humans now... great choral work as we see the fields of human beings being grown.

    - The scene in which they take the bug out of Neo's stomach.

    - Probably the best missing cue... the subway duel between Neo and Agent Smith!

    BTW, the cue when Neo gets up after being shot is "Anything is Possible" on the album. "Ontological Shock" begins as Morpheus gets up and runs towards the helicopter, and ends as Neo pulls Trinity up after the helicopter has exploded.

    I LOVE this score!!

    James

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    posted 05-04-2001 04:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Dragula (Hot Rod Herman Mix) by Rob Zombie is heard when Neo and Trinity meet at the rave.

    I have to second Sebulba's statement about the dialogue - Don Davis only speaks over the beginning or end fades of a few cues and it's easily disguised by doing quick fades with a sound editing program - at least that's how I did it. The sound on the DVD sounds pretty good too. I'm not sure why Marian is having problems with it.

    And for some really interesting and sometimes amusing trivia, check out the following link:

    http://us.imdb.com/Trivia?0133093

    It's interesting to note how Don named a few cues as anagrams of THE MATRIX or WACHOWSKI BROTHERS...making the cue EXIT MISTER HAT seem to make at least some sense!

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    posted 05-04-2001 04:59 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by majestyx:
    The sound on the DVD sounds pretty good too. I'm not sure why Marian is having problems with it.

    It's not bad, but when you take headphones and compare it to the CD tracks, the difference is clearly audible.

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    It's interesting to note how Don named a few cues as anagrams of THE MATRIX or WACHOWSKI BROTHERS...making the cue EXIT MISTER HAT seem to make at least some sense!

    I want to try and come up with some anagrams as well when I'm doing the track titles for my discs. Though I'm afraid that will be very hard.

    NP: Antonín Dvorák: Slavonic Dances (Symphonie-Orchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks, Rafel Kubelik)

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    posted 05-04-2001 05:11 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
    I want to try and come up with some anagrams as well when I'm doing the track titles for my discs. Though I'm afraid that will be very hard.

    http://mmm.mbhs.edu/~bconnell/anagrams.html

    James

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    posted 05-04-2001 09:09 PM PT (US)     

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    http://www.easypeasy.com/anagrams/
    Use this one instead. You can put in more letters. The only drawbacks are the advertisements all over the place.

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    posted 05-04-2001 09:39 PM PT (US)     

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    I was quite sure that the song playing at the Rave was 'Mindfields' by The Prodigy.

    Which are the other songs from the song CD I might include on the extended score should I choose to burn one?

    P.S. Fact of the Day:
    The guy who plays Agent Smith is going to be Elrond (the Elf that runs Rivendell) in The Lord of the Rings.

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    posted 05-05-2001 02:16 AM PT (US)     

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    To give me an idea of what I'm missing, could someone please post the Tracklist of the complete score?

    I just re-watched the video, and definetely would like to get the music from the fight practice. Is that some electronica song or score by Davis?

    Thanks

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    posted 05-05-2001 02:45 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Thanks, James and James. I'll try those out. I know AnagramGenius, but when I tried it, I didn't get too many usable results.

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    posted 05-05-2001 06:26 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Camillu:
    I was quite sure that the song playing at the Rave was 'Mindfields' by The Prodigy.


    Jump to chapter 4 on the DVD and you'll hear Dragula, which I think is followed-up by Mindfields.

    The songs that made it into the film are listed in the end credits or check here:
    http://us.imdb.com/Soundtracks?0133093


    As for a "track listing" of the score, I'd say that everyone who made up their own version will have their own titles for it so there's not much sense in listing those.

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