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    Topic:   The Mummy Returns... Now That It's Out, What Do You Think?

     Jeron
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    Well, good luck with your project and exam, Pete. I hope it all goes well for you.

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    posted 05-09-2001 12:52 PM PT (US)     

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    It sucks,

    It just doesn't reach the depths that Jerry achieved with the original THE MUMMY!

    NP: THE MUMMY RETURNS-Alan Silvestri

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    posted 05-09-2001 02:22 PM PT (US)     

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    WHERE IS MY COPY?!?

    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!

    -Jim Ware
    NP: Superman, 'Lex Luthor's Lair' (John Williams)

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    posted 05-09-2001 02:49 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Foobsie:
    It just doesn't reach the depths that Jerry achieved with the original THE MUMMY!

    Ah Foobs... I guess it's not for everyone. I'm very happy with Silvestri's score... great music.

    [Message edited by Jeron on 05-09-2001]

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    posted 05-09-2001 05:54 PM PT (US)     

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    I just saw this film.

    what a bad story, which is partly responsible for the lack of "depth" in the score.

    but I admit, I had a fun time with it.
    I don't think Mummy movies are made in order to garner Best Picture oscars anyway.


    I really did like Silvestri's effort.
    a couple timses I caught myself anticipating the BTTF theme, but just a hint. a wee hint.


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    posted 05-09-2001 09:27 PM PT (US)     

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    I don't think that the two scores ('Mummy' and 'Mummy Reruns') should really be compared like that. They're both strong scores, but aside from the whole sequel thing, they have little in common. Returns is a big, loud action score, whereas Mummy Prime is an often dark, subtly exotic horro/adventure score. Anyway, I like them both.

    That's all IMCO, though

    NP: The Mummy and
    The Mummy 2: Imhotep Takes Manhattan

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    posted 05-09-2001 10:22 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Jeron:
    Well, good luck with your project and exam, Pete. I hope it all goes well for you.

    Oh, thanks Jeron.

    And I'll let you (all) know when the website opens up a bit...


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    posted 05-10-2001 02:16 AM PT (US)     

     Pete M
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    Here's a wee question for anyone who's seen the American release:
    Does Rachel Weisz headbut anyone?

    Strange question, but I just got this from the BBFC (who have classified it 12):

    quote:
    Prior to submission, while the film was still in post-production, the company was given advice that a headbutt delivered by Rachel Weisz was unlikely to be acceptable at any category below 15. This action was not present when the film was submitted for classification.

    Hmmmm. So I'm wondering if they cut that bit out from just the UK version, so it could get a 12, or if they decided (for any other reason) not to use that bit at all.

    Anyone?

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    posted 05-10-2001 05:38 AM PT (US)     

     Dan Brecher
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    Sounds likes we're getting a different edit, Pete. If it was in an existing cut prior to submission, chances are Sommers wanted it there, so naturally when he gets the chance he'll leave it in (in the US)...

    Honestly, the BBFC are so dumb sometimes, I mean, they cut the first film (hanging sequence) rated it 12 then released it uncut on home video but with a higher 15 rating.

    So, now here's the sequel with a 12 rating, and any 12 year old who wants to see the first movie will break the law because they have to rent a 15. BBFC never thinks before they act...

    Dan (UK)

    [Message edited by Dan Brecher on 05-10-2001]

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    posted 05-10-2001 06:56 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    quote:
    Does Rachel Weisz headbutt anyone?


    yes she does.


    NP -- not Mummy Returns

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    posted 05-10-2001 07:52 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by JJH:

    yes she does.


    Goddammit.

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    posted 05-10-2001 08:37 AM PT (US)     

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    What difference does it make? How is a headbut worthy of a 15 while getting sliced, diced, chopped, bashed, mashed, and generally many far MORE violent things done to you doesn't?
    I don't understand your ratings at all...

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    posted 05-10-2001 11:48 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by John Dunham:

    I don't understand your ratings at all...

    Nice to know I'm not alone in that...

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    posted 05-11-2001 04:31 AM PT (US)     

     Dan Brecher
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    Like I say, our ratings board never think before they act, so I don't think they understand themselves either.

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 05-11-2001 06:57 AM PT (US)     

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    This is in direct contrast with North American censorship and ratings boards which always make sense and know exactly what they're doing.



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    posted 05-11-2001 07:34 AM PT (US)     

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    LOL! Good one! That was my best laugh here, in weeks!

    Regards,
    Sean Robert Abbey

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    posted 05-11-2001 08:49 AM PT (US)     

     Mark Olivarez
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    I finally saw the film yesterday. It was a good ole fashion popcorn flick. I enjoyed it, but then I don't take movies to seriously and just try to enjoy them for what they are.

    Did anyone else catch the nod to Kubrick's Dr. Strangelove? My kids and I saw it. They were both laughing about it after the film was over but they didn't realize it was from another movie.

    !!!!!!!!!!*Spoiler alert*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    for those of you wondering look for the scene with the pygmies falling with the log, it copies the Slim Pickens riding the bomb sequence.

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    posted 05-11-2001 09:50 AM PT (US)     

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    MPAA vs BBFC, always a debate, I'd still favour the MPAA in most cases, especially on home video.

    One week til Mummy Returns opens here anyway. Ho hum...

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 05-11-2001 10:05 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Probable:
    This is in direct contrast with North American censorship and ratings boards which always make sense and know exactly what they're doing.

    Okay, I admit the way they rate movies is also dumb. But the difference is, I UNDERSTAND their system, despite its being full of flaws and stupidity.
    I CAN'T understand how a headbut should be rated 15.

    NP: 1492: Conquest of Paradise, Vangelis

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    posted 05-11-2001 11:36 AM PT (US)     

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    Mark Olivarez liked THE MUMMY RETURNS.

    There is some kind of recourse required, but damned if I can recall what it is.

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    posted 05-11-2001 06:59 PM PT (US)     

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    Rocco, I'm just as frightened as you.

    I mean, why are we permitting ourselves to be fed this garbage?

    Shaun

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    posted 05-11-2001 07:07 PM PT (US)     

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    [In Homer Simpson trance]

    Mmmmmmmmmm...garbage....

    Tim

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    posted 05-11-2001 07:45 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
    Rocco, I'm just as frightened as you.

    I mean, why are we permitting ourselves to be fed this garbage?

    Shaun


    Perhaps, because unlike the usual garbage we have to tend with, this film is actually quite good!

    Regards,
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    posted 05-12-2001 03:24 AM PT (US)     

     Mark Olivarez
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    Yeah I liked it, in fact I saw a second time. Well I took my kids Thursday and then I had to take my girlfriend to see it Friday.

    I agree with the crap that is out there and the crap that is soon to come this movie isn't that bad. But then again I don't try and take movies that seriously.

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    posted 05-12-2001 03:59 PM PT (US)     

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    And you know what? I'll probably like Jurassic Park III as well.

    I'm also looking forward to A.I., Evolution, Shrek and Atlantis.

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    posted 05-12-2001 04:01 PM PT (US)     

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    I caught the Dr. Strangelove homage...classic!


    And for anyone who thought this film would be anything other than dumb fun...well...too bad you ruined it for yourself.

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    posted 05-12-2001 04:25 PM PT (US)     

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    The log scene reminded me more of King Kong (the classic) than Strangelove.

    That scene in Kong always cracked me up because as the last guy on the tree is about to hit the ground he's screaming "aaaaaaaaaah... oh"... BOOM!

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    posted 05-12-2001 08:31 PM PT (US)     

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    interesting...

    I guess the Rock refused to do his eyebrow trick, saying that it "wasn't the right kind of movie" for it.I noticed he hadn't done it, but I didn't realize it was a deliberate omission.


    Still, he made an alright lobster-thing, I guess. Not sure how that will go on his resumé, but...

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    posted 05-13-2001 01:31 AM PT (US)     

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    Hal you mean you missed the little pygmie doing a Slim Pickens on the log?

    Your right though, that scene in Kong cracks me up.

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    posted 05-13-2001 06:38 AM PT (US)     

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    No, the sad truth is that most of us are garbage eating idiots whose lot in life is to reprimanded for having a fun time at a film by toffee-nosed snobs who think the public's minds at large might be better served by being brainwashed into clearer and more refined thought by watching either films that were made before 1970 again and again, or recent films that were so lifeless and un-exciting in the first place that hardly anyone outside of the NY/LA limited-release zone remembers why the "elitist" critics praised them in the first place.

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    posted 05-13-2001 02:56 PM PT (US)     

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    Not that you're bitter about it

    *edited because smileys dislike me*

    [Message edited by Probable on 05-13-2001]

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    posted 05-13-2001 04:33 PM PT (US)     

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    Thick, black, 10W4D-type bitterness the depths of which one may never wish to fully comprehend.

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    posted 05-13-2001 08:18 PM PT (US)     

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    Saw the movie this weekend.

    Score: Average. I won't buy it. It doesn't have enough depth for me. Like the movie, it doesn't do anything emotionally for me. It just entertains, which is okay, but I want more from a score that I listen to over and over again.

    Movie: <<Spoiler alert>> As I said above, it didn't do anything emotionally for me. When a key character "dies" I know exactly what will happen. In fact the whole movie was too predictable. I wouldn't buy a copy of it or the original, but I would rent the original a couple of times.

    Best part of the movie -- Patricia Velasquez, whoooo-eeeeeee, as we say in Texas. I am SO glad they gave her a bigger part in this movie. I only wish she had spent more time in that painted-on costume she wore in the flashbacks to the original.

    Worst part of the movie -- Egyptian Kung-fu. As my wife noted, "What's the deal with inserting all this chop-sockey stuff in every single movie they make? Did they even have martial arts in Egypt?"

    I also noticed that annoying action-editing style used by Ridley Scott in "Gladiator." It wasn't as bad here, but sometimes it was a little difficult figuring out what was going on. Is this something someone raised on MTV likes?

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    posted 05-14-2001 07:56 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Marc Flake:

    Movie: <<Spoiler alert>> As I said above, it didn't do anything emotionally for me. When a key character "dies" I know exactly what will happen.

    That was one of the most annoying scenes of the whole movie. If that character had remained dead maybe then I might have at least liked a bit of this otherwise worthless "movie".

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    In fact the whole movie was too predictable.

    Which is exactly my problem with it. The thing I hate most when I see a movie, is to know exactly what will happen half an hour before it does happen. The whole movie could easily be reduced to four words and a comma: Been there, seen that.

    [Message edited by wistiti on 05-14-2001]

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    posted 05-14-2001 12:43 PM PT (US)     

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    Stay home, read book.

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    posted 05-14-2001 12:58 PM PT (US)     

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    Jeron, you were right! I bought the album after seeing the film. I agree wholeheartedly with HAL about this. This score really does seem like a natural extention of THE MUMMY. But, like him, I still miss Goldsmith's more cohesive approach.

    Comparing the two scores from a stylistic standpoint does not really seem appropriate as well. The two movies were rather different in spirit.

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    posted 05-15-2001 06:09 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lancelot:
    Stay home, read book.

    I usually do. Tired of paying big bucks to see crappy movies I've seen dozens of times before.


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    posted 05-15-2001 07:30 AM PT (US)     

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    Great. Now stop griping. You pay as much for a fantastic movie as you do for crappy movie. I guess you don't always get what you pay for...but isn't it great when you do?

    You don't really mean "you've seen it before"--what you imply is: "you've seen other movies similar, and based on those pre-existing formulas, you can predict the end." Well, swell. Got a disappointment for you, 99% of movies are like that, once you understand the formulas. I study mythology, (essentially, story formulas)--so, for me, it's great when you can see the "skeleton", if you will, on which the movie hangs.

    There are certain themes, tropes, and general conventions which are inevitably inserted into every movie....how often is a child "the chosen one"? How often is a character thought to be dead (or surely doomed), only to be revived at the end? (Resurrection motifs are huge in mythology.)

    Personally, I think Sommers has done a damn good job of taking a old formula and giving it a bit of style. It's a "mummy movie", after all. There's been hundreds of those--of course you've "seen it before".

    I think that many are a little disenchanted with the usage of digitally enhanced effects--it's sort of like looking at one of those 3-D pictures. Once you see it, you know what to look for, what to expect. Well, guess what--get used to it. You're not going to see any less of those. You don't want digital effects, grab a ticket to your local playhouse. (Usually more than movie tickets cost.) Hopefully, there, you'll find substance, story, dialogue, and maybe something you've never "seen before".

    [Message edited by Lancelot on 05-15-2001]

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    posted 05-15-2001 07:59 AM PT (US)     

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    Right on Lancie....griping about a movie such as this is futile and somewhat absurd. This movie does not pretend to be anything more than a silly, popcorn, adventure flick...and Sommers has filled it to the brim with a fun (albeit it silly) and enough visual sight gags to last the entire summer.

    The film is honest to its intentions...and as I have said before, going in with any other expectations would be a futile gesture. For those naysayers...your complaints are all 100% accurate and you are justified for having them. My question is...why did you even bother to go. Often times I feel some people merely go these films to reel of complaints later...honestly, was there any chance you could have enjoyed it. The trailers were true to the story, and the campy style was carried over from the first.

    I enjoy an intelligent film as much as the next person...but the juvenile kid in me longs for a good, ole-fashioned silly adventure. And let's be honest...films like the Mummy Returns are not a dime-a-dozen these days...even during summer. Is it a great movie...nah. Is it even a good movie...debateable. But it sure was quite a fun ride...

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    posted 05-15-2001 09:54 AM PT (US)     

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    I agree. This movie never claimed to be 'good,' only 'fun.'

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