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juha

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I recently read from an old soundtrack magazine that Williams wrote about three minutes per day his score for The Phantom Menace. Is it that slow when a composer writes a score ?
And remember that Goldsmith wrote Air Force One (with Joel Mcneely) in two weeks !!!Just curious.
posted 04-27-2001 12:21 AM PT (US) 
Richard

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Horner wrote "Aliens" in 2 weeks.From experience, I find that sometimes I tend to write about 2-3mins a day if I'm not doing anything else. Composing is just a very time consuming exercise, and it becomes more so depending on the number of instruments you're writing for and how easily the ideas are flowing.
Just a thought.
posted 04-27-2001 04:00 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Horner did Aliens in two weeks because Cameron did not have a rough cut when he came in.Thats always a fun story to tell.
--Brian
[Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 04-27-2001]
posted 04-27-2001 11:55 AM PT (US) 
new york islanders

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James Newton Howard and Jerry Goldsmith get the honors here. As they each were brought in for both Waterworld and Chinatown at the very last minute and had only bout a week or less to score each movie. How did Howard pull of Waterworld I do not know.
posted 04-27-2001 03:49 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Composers outside Hollywood RARELY get more than a week or two. How else do you think Morricone has done so many movies? Not entirely by choice -- that was the schedule, that was the budget, and he had mouths to feed. Georges Delerue, similar situation. The most prolific Japanese composers (Akira Ifukube, Masaru Sato, Shunsuke Kikuchi among them) sometimes got LESS than a week to finish something -- Ifukube said sometimes he would have just A SINGLE DAY (but these have to have been for movies that didn't require more than a few minutes of background -- still, the repetition in his music is, he always insists, due to such draconian schedules). And Masaru Sato told me that in 1958, he scored a record EIGHTEEN movies. ("It was CRAZY," he added.)Miklos Rozsa, in his later years, warned producers that "I'm slow ... I write one minute a day, and that's it." They hired him anyway: he was Miklos Rozsa!
Danny Elfman has observed that he KNOWS he can produce a certain number of minutes a day, but I forget what the figure is ... it's not more than five, more likely three. But like all of them, he's had to produce rush jobs as well. Michael Kamen had to rethink DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE and X-MEN more or less over a WEEKEND (or so the legend goes).
Goldsmith actually finished CHINATOWN in TEN days, but that had as much to do with his genuine inspiration -- he loved the film and almost immediately knew exactly what he wanted to do with it -- as with the schedule. Falls into the "happy accident" category. I've always wondered how terrible the original rejected Philip Lambro score was or wasn't.
Not to turn this into a Horner-bashing thread, but he was so insanely prolific in the 1980s and most of the 1990s that he couldn't possibly have been spending more than a month at a time on a lot of those scores.
posted 04-27-2001 04:16 PM PT (US) 
Gae

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I was reading this review for "Interview with the Vampire"
"Elliot Goldenthal was called in to score Neil Jordan's darkly romantic horror film in only three weeks, when George Fenton's reportedly too slow original score was thrown out"(from review by Mikael Carlsson)
Pretty impressive when you hear the complexity of the score..even more so with James-Newton's "Waterworld", cant believe he wrote that in only a week..its an awesome score! Miklos Rozsa only used to write 1 minute of music a day if my memory serves me well.(sorry H Rocco..didnt see your message before I wrote this too!
) It shows in his scores though! Prokofiev wrote "Peter and the Wolf" in one week, Handel wrote the "Messiah" in about 3-4 weeks...it never seizes to amaze me how,under the right circumstances, composers can come up with their greatests work in such short times...thats inspiration for you. When a great composer is working on all cylinders, nothing can stop him creatively! I suppose it also helps if the pay cheque is good too
Gae NP Piano Concerto No.2 in Gminor (Prokofiev) [Message edited by Gae on 04-27-2001]
posted 04-27-2001 04:18 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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If I remember correctly Horner only had a couple of weeks to score KRULL?!...and boy what a score it is, damn, he even wrote it so fast that he didn't have time to crib from anyone else, whatever, regardless it's a brilliant score, and quite possibly the best fantasy score ever!John Barry scored The Man With The Golden Gun in less than two weeks and it shows!
....and this from one of Barry's biggest fans...oh dear
posted 04-27-2001 05:17 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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GOLDEN GUN isn't one of Barry's shiniest moments, that's for sure ...KRULL was indeed written in about two weeks. ALIENS, a bit less. INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE, mentioned above, was another rush job (and Goldenthal fell back heavily on ALIEN 3 as a result, to my ear). I'm sure Horner knocked out the replacement RANSOM score in record time.
Akira Ifukube said he wrote GODZILLA VS. MECHAGODZILLA (1994) in TWO DAYS, which I find hard to believe, but there is a lot of repetition in that one, and a great deal less of his berserk signature time-changes (the whole thing is basically in 3/4 or 4/4). It was the first time ever, he added, that he felt so constrained for time that he needed to hire -- an orchstrator!!!!! (A practice all but unheard of in Japan!)
On the opposite end of the scale, didn't Basil Poledouris spend the better part of A YEAR fine-tuning STARSHIP TROOPERS? And Jerry Goldsmith was booked solid through the making of Otto Preminger's IN HARM'S WAY -- Preminger wanted his composers to hang out on the set, which Goldsmith found utterly pointless, though that's probably the reason he appears in the film briefly as a bandleader or something. (Goldsmith ran into Ernest Gold, who'd won the Oscar for scoring Preminger's EXODUS, after that and said "I don't know whether to thank you or hit you for recommending me for that one." Gold replied, "lighten up, think of all the Otto stories you'll be dining out on for years to come.")
posted 04-28-2001 08:58 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Hi your H', we have a long running (very long running) Radio program here in the U.K. called Desert Island Disc, where each week a different celebrity chooses 10 pieces of music to take away to a desert island, with the presenter playing each piece or excerpt if it's classical, when Otto Preminger was on the program he chose 10 pieces of film music....ALL FROM HIS OWN FILMS!
, When Louis Armstrong was on the program he also chose 10 of his own works!! 
John Barry has featured on the program twice, amongst his choices were Frank Sinatra, Stan Kenton, Bartok, Shostakovitch and Prokofiev (symphony 5 and Alexander Nevsky),good taste methinks

posted 04-28-2001 10:54 AM PT (US) 
JJH

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3 minutes a day for a 2 and a half hour score is pretty damned fast.remember, Phantom Menace is infinitely more complex musically than almost any of those other scores listed.
Not to denegrate any of those other fine scores (certainly Chinatown is a classic), but I've heard a few composers say hard core action is infinitely easier to write, as well as those simple melodies for oboe with simple string accompaniments (everyone does those, and that's why they sometimes sound generic). That's why I imagine Goldsmith could pump out Air Force One is such a short time.a simple look at Goldsmith reveals lots of string and/or synth ostinatos with brass punctuations in many of his scores centered around a main melody.
NP -- Total Recall, Goldsmithposted 04-28-2001 12:52 PM PT (US) 
Gae

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Am I the only person who really likes "The Man with the Golden Gun" score? Apart from that silly whistle as the car does its somersault. Maybe its because it was one of the first Bond films I saw in the cinema at the age of 10 and the music really got to me! Gae NP Legal Eagles (E. Bernstein)
posted 04-28-2001 01:51 PM PT (US) 
James

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Richard Band had eleven days to write 80 minutes of music for METALSTORM.Hans Zimmer and Shirley Walker had a little more than a week to do a complete re-scoring of WHITE FANG (about 80 minutes of music). In the end, I think only about a fourth (maybe less) of their score was actually used (much of Basil Poledouris' beautiful score remained in the film). Zimmer didn't even get credited for it (Walker is mentioned for only one cue).
James
posted 04-28-2001 09:58 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I think Fiachra Trench also worked with Hans and Shirley on WHITE FANG.
posted 04-29-2001 10:39 AM PT (US) 
James

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I was under the impression that Fiachra Trench worked with Basil Poledouris, but I could very easily be wrong.
posted 04-30-2001 05:22 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Captain, I THINK Fiachra Trench was an early disciple of Zimmer's, but I too could be wrong.
posted 04-30-2001 08:33 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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According to the booklet of my EMI disc, "Prokofiev's strikingly inventive film score for Sergei Eisentein's Alexander Nevsky (1938) was composed at breakneck speed in a matter of days, with only a few refinements added later to fit the various moving images on screen".NP: Sergei Prokofiev: Ivan the Terrible (Philharmonia Orchestra, Riccardo Muti)
posted 05-09-2001 02:49 PM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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No one has mentioned what I think to be the queen mother of quick writing.Michael Kamen is quoted in an issue of Soundtrack Magazine, that he composed and recorded his replacement score for WHAT DREAMS MAY COME in an astonishing SIX DAYS! Not sure if there is any exaggeration there, but if true this is a major accomplishment. Great score, and IIRC around 70mins. of it.
David Newman's I LOVE TROUBLE was another fast replacement score for a schizophrenic film, done in 10 days IIRC, employing probably every orchestrator in town....and Alan Silvestri is thanked in the notes to the Varese CD.
All the best,
Seanposted 05-09-2001 03:19 PM PT (US) 
felipevasquez

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Chilean composer Luis Advis wrote the score for the 1999 film Coronacion in two nights!. This was the second score in Advis career. The movie won some awards on international festivals (Best Director in Montreal, If I remember well).The most important is that this movie has been the only chilean film awarded internationally for his music (Trieste Festival, 2000). For two nights of work, he won.
I have the CD soundtrack for this great film, and I really enjoy the themes that he created. If you have any chance to watch the movie or listen the score, do it.
Felipe
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