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    Topic:   Pearl Harbor score samples are up!!!!!

     pearlharborfan2
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    Man, these are incredible! Hans Zimmer has done it again!

    What do you guys think?

    Go here for a quick listen: (scroll down the URL to the 'Music' category
    http://www.behindfilm.com/pearlharbor/downloads.html

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    posted 04-25-2001 07:48 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    It's pretty good but rather generic sounding.
    This almost sounds as if Cliff Eidelman had written it (if you're at all familiar with One True Thing, Untamed Heart, and Now & Then scores).


    but, there's really not enough to go by.

    It certainly sounds like music for a love story in these clips.

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    posted 04-25-2001 08:21 PM PT (US)     

     BobaMike
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    I hear traces of The THin Red Line in it...maybe he'll use the theme and connect the movies!

    Anyways, track 3 is nice...sounds like a winner for Zimmre (that ryhmes!) and way better than gladiator and MI2. Although it might be a little early to tell

    BobaMike

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    posted 04-25-2001 08:25 PM PT (US)     

     Justin
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    YES SIR!!! I love the hints of Thin Red Line. Beautiful work. This has definitely got me psyched for the release.

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    posted 04-25-2001 08:47 PM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    Sounds very good, however it doesn't really sound amazing... Will just have to wait to here the score in full, and see how good the film is. I'm really anxious to hear him score the 2nd hour of the film (the bombing), guess we'll have to just wait and see.

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    posted 04-25-2001 08:57 PM PT (US)     

     Probable
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    Sounds a little generic to me, too, but like the man says, it's early. I wouldn't want to be too Hasta - er, Hasty.

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    posted 04-25-2001 09:39 PM PT (US)     

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    The first track not only has parts of Thin Red Line, but A League of Thier Own and I think Diamond Skulls as well.

    As for it sounding generic.....as some of you put it, I believe Hans Zimmer is just trying to be simple, by not emphisizing the obvious on screen. As many composers do these days.

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    posted 04-25-2001 10:07 PM PT (US)     

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    Sounds great! I think it will be a good score! Now just get me clips from "Atlantis" and "Final Fantasy" and make my week.

    --Brian

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    posted 04-25-2001 10:12 PM PT (US)     

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    Not really impressed yet. The music has all the emotion of that background music in a Wells Fargo bank commercial; you know, with the kids playing in the yard and the soothing voice saying, "Were just here...to make your life a little easier, so you can spend your time doing things that are really important. [CUT TO: Close up of the kids smiling. Music swells.]

    Not that it's bad or anything, but man if it isn't generic. I'll reserve judgement until I hear the full score, but I'm not anticipating another masterpiece (like Thin Red Line or Prince of Egypt) after hearing these clips.

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    posted 04-25-2001 11:27 PM PT (US)     

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    Not too good. Not too bad. So so. Average.

    This time Zimmer takes the Lorca-Angela's Ashes approach: repeat a theme ad nauseum.

    Any one know if the whole score will be this way?
    Because if it is, then this will one boring movie.

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    posted 04-26-2001 05:36 AM PT (US)     

     HAL 2000
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    Certainly there must more to this than these clips indicate. So far pretty smaltzy.

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    posted 04-26-2001 08:52 AM PT (US)     

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    Certainly there must more to this than these clips indicate. So far pretty schmaltzy.

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    posted 04-26-2001 08:54 AM PT (US)     

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    Aren't we being just a little critical here...I mean, we listen to a speck of music from the score without it being in context and we're already calling it bland and generic.

    Odd...

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    posted 04-26-2001 09:22 AM PT (US)     

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    No more odd than declaring it fantastic based on the same few minutes. I think everyone has already qualified their remarks with an open mind toward more fairly judging the whole score when it arrives.

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    posted 04-26-2001 11:10 AM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Captain Howdy, I was thinking nearly the EXACT same thing!

    Shaun

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    posted 04-26-2001 12:41 PM PT (US)     

     Quill
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    HAL...you're right...after rereading the posts I must rescind my comments.

    On the subject though, when do you folks usually made your final judgement on a score? Is it based off of your perceptions of the score on disc or the score in the film? Kind of off topic, but oh well...

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    posted 04-26-2001 03:59 PM PT (US)     

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    That's a good question, Quill. I had (for some reason) VERY high hopes for the Gladiator score before hearing it. I thought to myself, "Man, there's no WAY Zimmer can just use a bunch of synths for a Gladiator movie!" Then I heard the first sound clip, and it was a synth version of Holst. All my hopes were flushed down the commode. I saw the film, and it only saddened me further (pretty much the whole time, I was thinking about how good of a movie it would have been had there never been such a thing as MTV, synthesizers, and the death of Alex North). So, that's an example of a score that was ruined before I saw the film. Another good example from last year was Hollow Man. Heard the score, loved the theme, didn't think much of the rest of the score. Then, saw the (crap) film. The score came to life, making what would have been yet another in a long line of Andrew W. Marlowe-scripted sh*tfests (HOW does this guy continue to get work? He has all the talent of a retarded pear) seem like a real FILM.

    Anyway.........

    Shaun

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    posted 04-26-2001 05:58 PM PT (US)     

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    Well Shaun, I personally loved Gladiator, but at least you know you won't be getting that "MTV" like score with Pearl Harbor.

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    posted 04-26-2001 06:29 PM PT (US)     

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    OK, what's with people complaining about the synthesizers in Gladiator! I mean, for the battle scenes ("The Battle" and "Barbarian Horde") the synth work is very minimal and is pretty much only used for percussion; the synth lines are not harsh nor do they detract from the orchestra. That's what Hans Zimmer does better than any other composer: He finds a way to use electronics with an orchestra in such a way that it works perfectly and in such a way that it doesn't sound like old skool synth work, but in a modern sense. For me, the synthesizers in the score were most noticeable in Maximu's first gladiator fight and perhaps in the cues focusing on Lisa Gerrard: "The Might of Rome," "Sorrow," "Elysium," and "Now We Are Free."

    NP: Pearl Harbor - Hans Zimmer *****/*****

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    posted 04-26-2001 06:51 PM PT (US)     

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    Hoooooooolyyyyy shittttttttt!

    THIS IS GOOOOD!! My fave composer has done it again!!

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    posted 04-27-2001 04:01 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sean:
    OK, what's with people complaining about the synthesizers in Gladiator! I mean, for the battle scenes ("The Battle" and "Barbarian Horde") the synth work is very minimal and is pretty much only used for percussion; the synth lines are not harsh nor do they detract from the orchestra. That's what Hans Zimmer does better than any other composer: He finds a way to use electronics with an orchestra in such a way that it works perfectly and in such a way that it doesn't sound like old skool synth work, but in a modern sense. For me, the synthesizers in the score were most noticeable in Maximu's first gladiator fight and perhaps in the cues focusing on Lisa Gerrard: "The Might of Rome," "Sorrow," "Elysium," and "Now We Are Free."

    NP: Pearl Harbor - Hans Zimmer *****/*****


    The synthesizer use might be minimal in the action scenes, but the sound of the orchestra has been screwed using electronics. That distorted sythesizer sounding orchestra is anything but natural in most parts.

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    posted 04-27-2001 06:12 AM PT (US)     

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    Looks like Zimmer pulled a Horner! It's THE THIN RED LINE all over again ladies and gentleman. And they aren't "hints" of TTRL, they are direct quotes from that score. But, if anyone else other then Horner is rehashing they are "hinting," but when Horner rehashes... he is rehashing and is a hack. Now, I'm not defending Horner because after listening to ENEMY AT THE GATES I've lost all respect for him as an original composer but I think is hypocritical to say that Zimmer is hinting when he is deliberately recycling his older material into is supposed "new" score. But, I will be waiting to hear the score in the film to make my final judgement...

    Erik

    P.S. -- Apparently only 40 minutes of the 2 1/2 running time of PEARL HARBOR is dedicated to the actual invasion itself. The rest of the film concentrates on a love story between Afflick and that girl I know nothing about. "It's TITANIC with B-25's instead of Iceberg's..." to quote Entertainment Weekly.

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    posted 04-27-2001 07:27 AM PT (US)     

     Quill
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    Ummm....the music is a direct rip from TTRL...ummm...confused.

    I've read that the movie basically has three acts...setup/characters/love story....invasion (I think more than 40minutes might leave you exhausted)...then the finale of the film dedicated to Dolittle's attack of the fleet.

    It's strange for me how often times a score will do nothing for me until I hear it in the film...Braveheart is a good example. I think we tie the emotional moment of the movie to score...changing the way we hear and interpret the music from that point on.

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    posted 04-27-2001 07:49 AM PT (US)     

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    Well, I can tell ole Michael Bay isn't going to have to get the history right with you guys!

    First off, Pearl Harbor wasn't an invasion, it was an aerial attack. Second, Doolittle's squadron attacked JAPAN, not the Japanese fleet.

    But, who knows, maybe Bay WILL have the B-25s chasing the Japanese fleet back to their islands. Heck ole Ridley Scott re-wrote history and revived the Roman Republic in that alternative-history movie called "Gladiator."

    For the record, I'm not going to complain about Bay using modern 200-foot destroyers to sit in for 400-foot battleships or Cuba Gooding's character using twin 20mm pom-poms instead of a .50 caliber machine gun. I can overlook minor things like that.

    I saw a book filled with stills from this movie at a bookstore last weekend and I'm impressed. He uses models and computers to produce some really good-looking special effects. And it looks like Bay is actually going to at least follow the broad outline of history, rather than make something up like Scott did. :P

    Also, I'm going to wait to see how the score compliments the picture before I pass any judgement on Zimmer.

    Marc

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    posted 04-27-2001 08:19 AM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    I'm just not sure how he is "ripping" off TTRL here, I simply can't hear it... Oh well.

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    posted 04-27-2001 10:03 AM PT (US)     

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    The Thin Red Line is one of the most misunderstood films in recent years that happens to have one of the best scores in recent years. Pearl Harbor looks like it will suck, and most likely will thanks to who is behind it...and the sound clips sound like a cheasy commercial as stated before. What matters most is how the score works WITHIN the film though...so we'll see.

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    posted 04-27-2001 11:51 AM PT (US)     

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    That's rather nice. I can picture Affleck running toward camera in slow mo shouting "nooooooooooo" to this no problem.

    One brief bit is reminding me totally of another theme I have heard in a score, but I just can't remember what! I want to perhaps say Twin Peaks: Fire walk with me, but I'm not sure if thats the right movie I am thinking of..... Drat, need to find some cues from that.

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 04-27-2001 12:26 PM PT (US)     

     Quill
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    Kross...You must put quite a bit of stock in movie trailers if you think the film will suck based on what we've seen thus far....but I'm guessing your conclusion was based simply on who's behind the camera.

    Directors can change...evolve if you will...and if you think the film will suck going in...chances are you will feel the same on the way out. Will there be some cheese...absolutely...but trust me, this will not be another Rock or Armageddon. Schmaltzy or not I think the music alone speaks about the tone Bay is going for.

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    posted 04-27-2001 01:28 PM PT (US)     

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    To me, Pearl Harbor sounds like everything Zimmer couldn't do with The Thin Red Line (sort of like Peacemaker being an extension of Crimson Tide); and Hasta, better listen to the clips again because TTRL is deffinately played out for a few seconds.

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    posted 04-27-2001 02:16 PM PT (US)     

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    Though I won't doubt, that PEARL HARBOR will be a great bit of movie magic, I just would not trust Jerry Bruckheimer and Michael Bay to create an earnest rendering of a historical tragedy. I think there's going to be a lot of great emotion and jaw-dropping battle scenes, but I think there a lot more worried about the pizzaz, big budget explosions, and entertainment factors...oh yeah and some good PG-13 sex. I'm really excited, don't get me wrong, but I'm not crossing my fingers for an arresting portarait of the largest navel failure in United States' history. I just don't know.

    Reddi

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    posted 04-27-2001 02:30 PM PT (US)     

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    Reddi:

    Actually, the largest US naval failure was the Battle of Savo Island. If you're curious about it, find the book "The Shame of Savo."

    Pearl Harbor was more of a national failure. We just got a little too arrogant and 2,000 men paid the price.

    Savo was your basic Mongolian cluster-f***.

    Marc {apologizing for using that (self-censored) word, but that's what it was.)

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    posted 04-27-2001 07:12 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Reddi:
    Though I won't doubt, that PEARL HARBOR will be a great bit of movie magic, I just would not trust Jerry Bruckheimer and Michael Bay to create an earnest rendering of a historical tragedy. I think there's going to be a lot of great emotion and jaw-dropping battle scenes, but I think there a lot more worried about the pizzaz, big budget explosions, and entertainment factors...oh yeah and some good PG-13 sex. I'm really excited, don't get me wrong, but I'm not crossing my fingers for an arresting portarait of the largest navel failure in United States' history. I just don't know.


    Well I still wanna see it. As for Michael Bay well I'm sure he'll make the film as appropriate as it should be. And as for the PG-13 rating.....I'm guessing that Disney is trying to hook a particular audience and thats not including fans of war films. I've heard that this movie will be more of a love story, that settles around the Pear Harbor event. The marketing guys are really smart and they know that making it look like a serious war movie with dazziling special effects in the trailers will get everyones attention. But come on! How many movies theses days are actually like what the trailers made them seem to be? No dought they got this idea from the movie Titanic. We think its about ship sinking, and to some extent it was, but ultimatly the story seemed to sit around Jack and Rose most of the time didn't it?
    So they don't feel its nessasary, to use alot ecsessive foul language and alot of blood and gory battle scenes when the movie will focus on the opposite.

    And as for your "PG-13 sex". Don't you think that there is way too much sex in movies already? Its really ridiculous! These producers really need to grow up and understand, that you can explain a love relationship by just putting characters in a situation where its obvious that they really care for each other, and perhaps imply sex. There is really no need and is indecent to graphically show it in the most pornographic way the law will alow in R rated movie!

    Thats my opinion!

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    I don't really like this score but, today I was just in the mood for some hard techno-rock, and somehow found it enjoyable!

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    posted 04-27-2001 07:34 PM PT (US)     

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    Death to Hanzimmer.

    Signed: André Lux, the Voodoo King

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    posted 04-27-2001 07:57 PM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    Yeah you can say Death to Hanzimmer, but you know you don't have the balls to use is actual name huh?

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    posted 04-27-2001 08:00 PM PT (US)     

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    André's just has an inferiority complex...

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    posted 04-27-2001 08:12 PM PT (US)     

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    No, if I had an inferiority complex them I would worshipe Hanzaimmer, the almost bald thief noisemaker!

    P.S.: I do have balls TimTim! Wanna taste it?? (And you can bring your master, Hinzinzer with you!)

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    posted 04-27-2001 08:34 PM PT (US)     

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    André exposing your ignorance, is not hurting my feelings. Try something better.

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    posted 04-27-2001 09:12 PM PT (US)     

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    I saw your picture Tim.
    This gave me the power to make a Voodoo doll of you, which is just besides me right now. And I am going to stick a nail right into your big afro-american butt.

    That will show him! Bevare!!!

    P.S.: Death to Huinzimmer and all his worshipers!

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    posted 04-27-2001 09:22 PM PT (US)     

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    Even after giving you a second chance you still managed to make yourself look even more like a fool!

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    posted 04-27-2001 09:30 PM PT (US)     

     André Lux
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    A fool maybe I am but I least I have good taste - particulary when film music is concerned...

    Besides, I am a Voodoo King. You shall remember that!

    Now, please give a third chance to prove myself!



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