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    Topic:   What Lies Beneath?....Silvestri

     Gae
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    Phew!! Just watched this movie last night for the first time on DVD, and boy did it give me the creeps!! I made the big mistake of watching this on a 6 x 6 feet (2 x 2m) screen, on my own and at midnight! I have to say that I dont think I've jumped out of my skin so many times in the first hour of any movie as much as this one and also have a feeling of such tension building up...it got to the stage where I was looking behind me nervously at any strange creak or sound in the room. I have to say Silvestri's score was incredibly chilling in the film and also gave me quite a few shocks when it suddenly came in full blast in 5:1 Dolby (I was wearing headphones too!!) The music was used in a similar style to "The Sixth Sense" in my opinion and both films had the same feeling and atmosphere in them. The End Titles music was also very similar to the "Prelude" music of "Psycho" which seemed to be a bit of an homage in some way...also there was the bath/shower connection to both movies. The great thing about this film is that it didn't rely too heavily on the usual CGI effects and was all the better for it....the suspense and fear of most of the film was in the viewer's imagination. Anyway, after feeling for a long time that horror films dont scare me anymore, I take my words back after seeing this movie...it gave me the creeps like nothing else recently. Well done Silvestri for writing such a chilling score and Zemekis for being such a great director. Gae NP Legends of the Fall

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    posted 04-18-2001 03:42 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    I thought the film was too indecisive what kind of film it wanted to be (horror/thriller/...), but it still was very effective and extremely thrilling. I'll probably get the DVD one day myself. For a long time, I've been a bit skeptical of Zemeckis, but after What lies... and the superb Contact which I watched a couple of days ago, I'm impressed.

    The score worked very well in the movie, and the CD is nice, too. The Psycho hommage shows up a couple of times, but from the way it was introduced in the film, it really seems to be a hommage to me. This score is still the ONLY score that has two or three "shock effects" that make me jump everytime I play it (and my cat, too )

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    posted 04-18-2001 05:37 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    practically everything in the movie is some sort of Hitchcock hommage...from the shower to that shot of Pfeiffer peeping through that hole in the fence.

    very creepy film, and a good score by Silvestri who "channels" Bernard Herrmann very nicely.


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    posted 04-18-2001 06:46 PM PT (US)     

     Kross
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    Score,good. Film, mediocre.

    I get sick of the plotless shock films very fast.

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    posted 04-18-2001 09:43 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Great film, great plot, great score, tons of surprises. Silvestri did a wonderful job and Zemeckis is, without a doubt, probably my favorite director. I bought this the day it came out (score album and dvd).

    Jeron

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    posted 04-18-2001 11:24 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Jeron:
    Zemeckis is, without a doubt, probably my favorite director.

    Uhm...you're sure?

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    posted 04-19-2001 07:01 AM PT (US)     

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    LOL, Marian... That's most likely a definite possible liklihood of a maybe so of course.

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    posted 04-19-2001 10:11 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Yes, perhaps.

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    posted 04-19-2001 10:37 AM PT (US)     

     Kross
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    Gae. (In response to what you posted in Just Movies)

    I also live in the countryside, kind of.

    I saw the film in the theater with my girlfriend when it first came out, I did not want to see it, but she did, and we had to be gone for a few hours since the car was being worked on so we saw it. We both hated it. She liked the simple shocks like any other film of its kind, but we both agreed that it was completely lame. I also find ghost stories to be the scariest form of anything out there. Yet WLB was not even a scary ghost story. I knew the ghost was not hostile, the world knew. The ghost was a joke! 6th, was not scary at all. What is scary, a jump? Or a thought that creeps into your mind and will not let you go? 6th and WLB are neither mental nor physical masterpieces, but rather mainstream SHOCK films that make for silly fun, although I tend to hate them now.

    WLB was an obvious film. What is scary about it when you know something is going to happen? With obvious plot, and obvious everything, WLB is not truly a psycho thriller, rather a dull simple yet another addition to the every few month shock films that hollywood spits out.

    A good ghost story, one in a normal home. Not a rich house where there seems to be stupid ties between the ghost and the people, but when in a simple home. Poltergiest is a great example. I do not find those films scary...but THEY COULD BE. I guess I will have to make the ultimate ghost story and put all of this crap to shame in the future. I am just sick of films like WLB. Nothing new, everything old. What's new? Nothing.

    There was a great tv movie on fox back in the early 90s that had great potential but turned out rather cheasy. That film being The Haunted I believe it was called. Where a simple family of four is being terrorized by a number of ghosts, and a demon in their new home. It was good for what it was. If it was done right, as a film, with the right people, it could have been great. It freaked me out, seeing that black ball sounding like a vacum from hell floating through the walls, and evil wispering at the ears of sleeping normal folk. It seemed real enough, and could have been great. WLB was a joke. It was only decent because a man with an eye for good camera angles was behind the camera, not a man with an eye for good films. Zemeckis has gone straight down to 0 in my eyes.

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    posted 04-19-2001 05:55 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Wow...

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    posted 04-19-2001 06:26 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    I disagree.

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    posted 04-19-2001 06:58 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    I don't know, but I was thoroughly creeped out when the ghost thingy wrote "You Know" in the mirror.


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    posted 04-19-2001 07:31 PM PT (US)     

     Kross
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    SPOILERS!! DO NOT READ AHEAD IF U HAVE NOT SEEN IT!


    Maybe it is just me, but the ghost seemed very nice compared to most "true" ghost stories I have heard from my friends. I do not find a girl who is trying to get someone to help her scary. If the ghost was after Phiepher also, maybe then it could have been decent...but since the ghost was of course just trying to get Phiepher to help her(what a surprise....) it was not scary at all even before we knew, since it was obvious she was just looking for help.

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    posted 04-19-2001 09:44 PM PT (US)     

     Rang
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    Possible spoiler, 3rd paragraph

    (How's that for a warning! )

    I liked Silvestri's score overall, but then the PSYCHOesque music appears towards the end... a nice homage, though one I would have preferred handled with more subtlety, or at least with less bombast.

    As for the film, I couldn't help feeling disappointed, for two reasons: the trailer, and the finale. The trailer revealed so much that practically any drama, any suspense, was made void by my already knowing much of what would take place. I felt the same way with CAST AWAY, and it's unfortunate that Zemekis seems in favor of "revelation trailers." It ruins the cinematic experience for me. From now on, I'll know better: whenever a trailer for the next Zemekis film comes on, I'll just leave.

    The finale disappointed me because it resorted to near slasher film theatrics, a direction I felt inconsistent with the film's throwback tendencies . So much quiet, elegant restraint is present throughout WHAT LIES BENEATH (film and score), that when Ford shakes off his half-a-dozen concussions and takes off on a rampage, I felt betrayed. It didn't feel consistent with the tone of the film; it felt forced, gimmicky, and completely overdone.

    That's why I didn't care for Silvestri's PSYCHO homage, which because of the unfortunate detour the film takes, becomes a gimmick itself, with neither coming together in a satisfying and effective way. If only the trailer and finale were handled differently...

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    posted 04-20-2001 12:45 AM PT (US)     

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    Fortunately, I never saw the trailer. However, I was indeed a bit disappointed by the finale, because the film got so uneven towards the end, as I said above. Yet, it was very well-done and thrilling, even during the finale, so while the script could have been better, the film was still very good.

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    posted 04-20-2001 08:08 AM PT (US)     

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    I didn't see the Trailer either or know anything about the movie when I sat down to watch it...other than it was a ghost story/thriller. So from that point of view I had no spoilers to tell me that the ghost was friendly to Pfeiffer. So for most of the film I didn't know whether the ghost was benevolent or malevolent, which added to the creepiness. Personally, the reflections seen of the dead woman, by Pfeiffer, I found quite creepy...especially when she went to empty the bath water. It seemed as though she had a decayed face and her demeanour was quite ambiguous...friendly or not? So you see Kross...even though we are watching the same movie, we are not viewing it in the same way. It sounds like your viewing was spoilt by too much information given away through the trailer etc. Isn't that just the case with so many trailers these days? I remember a time when trailers used to only wet your appetite by not disclosing to much, but just enough to gain your interest...not show the entire film in a compacted form! It's like some kind of weird marketing overkill!! Gae

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    posted 04-20-2001 02:40 PM PT (US)     

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    Do what I do. Don't watch the trailers. I always stand outside the auditorium until the trailers have finished (there's always enough time to get seated during the "no smoking/talking/mobile phones" advert). I hadn't seen a single frame of WHAT LIES BENEATH until I actually went and saw it.

    I still didn't think it was that great, though - entertaining enough, but nothing special and, to my mind, overlong. I can't remember much of Alan Silvestri's score, but I'll probably pick the CD up sometime.

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    posted 04-20-2001 02:54 PM PT (US)     

     Kross
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    One could not truly tell if the ghost was good or bad via the trailer. After 10 minutes of watching the film it is OBVIOUS that the ghost has a message. Boring.

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