And as I've said before on a thread that went in a similar direction, I deeply resent the inclusion of Yetis in the same category as the Tooth Fairy, inasmuch as there IS hard evidence (barring the present possession of a corpse) that such creatures DID and DO walk the earth ... even as, for one small parallel, there are no Tooth Fairy-related archives extant even in Tibet ...

Thank you for your measured and well thought-out response. Of course, there is much I would like to say in response to your latest thoughts, but Peter has said he 'will truncate all "discussion"' relating to my 'discourse from this point on, if it appears'.

However, Scott, considering that your latest response at this thread remains untruncated by the board administrator, I can only assume Peter forgot to add the rider 'unless I agree with what is said.'

Though he has passionately and forthrightly disagreed with my opinions, I have complete respect for Scott's beliefs, because, despite his obvious dislike of my views, he has taken the time to present a compelling and intelligent rebuttal.

In complete contrast, the most 'intelligent' remark you have made is 'Absolute hogwash Mr. Dan. All Dan's facts are spin, plain and simple, pulled from his rear-end.' Okay, so you may not have the time to dedicate to a carefully thought-out response such as the one Scott has proffered, but, if that is the case, why say anything?

Everything you have said at this thread merely amounts to, 'DANIEL2 is wrong, I'm right, end of discussion.' - an empty, intolerant, narrow-minded and utterly worthless contribution to what was an interesting discussion.

I would have had far more respect for your standpoint if you had merely asked me to stop posting about Christianity and related topics at this thread out of respect for other board members' religious beliefs, whilst keeping your own negative thoughts about my opinions to yourself. You see, I've no problem with you asking me to stop posting here, after all, you are the administrator, but I do object to you voicing your negative opinion about my postings in such a superficial manner. I've no problem with anyone else coming out with such vacuous and ignorant comments such as "AND Joey Ramone is dead! But Daniel doesn't care about that!", because, unlike you, they are in no position to 'truncate' my postings.

In many ways, you and Scott typify the contrast between the good and bad aspects of Christian thinking and practice. Scott has proven himself to be willing to listen to alternative opinion - I see him as personifying the true, tolerant and open-minded Christian spirit (sorry if that sounds a bit patronizing, Scott), whereas as your comments, Peter, sound like the vacuous and intolerant pontifications of some 16th century Spanish inquisitor. Unfortunately, Peter, today, and throughout history, your distasteful brand of blinkered Christian close-mindedness is just as prevalent as Scott's compelling Christian thoughtfulness, equanimity and sobriety.

Of course, owing to your 'fish chip' status, I will refrain from making any further postings at this thread.

Indeed, having also barred me from posting at the off-topic-dedicated Another ? for Peter K thread, you won't have to 'truncate' anything I say in future, for this will be my final posting at your message board.

Please don't get me wrong. I don't wish to sound indignant, for you have been surprisingly tolerant of my off-topic postings up to now. Indeed, all in all, I have to agree with what you said above "... this isn't the place for your "mission."" - I understand and respect that.

So, may I wish you, Peter, and every MovieMusic Message Board member, all the best for the future.

I take it you're now leaving? I don't think too many people will miss you. Just know you are always welcome to discuss movie music here. Anything else will go down... just like this.

Mark, if I didn't feel vaguely sorry for you for innocently starting this brouhaha, I'd recommend that you be banned. Let's wait for that until you start a similar thread for, mmm, Memorial Day, which, no doubt, also has pagan origins.

And as I've said before on a thread that went in a similar direction, I deeply resent the inclusion of Yetis in the same category as the Tooth Fairy, inasmuch as there IS hard evidence (barring the present possession of a corpse) that such creatures DID and DO walk the earth ... even as, for one small parallel, there are no Tooth Fairy-related archives extant even in Tibet ...

(Given the volumes of Easter chocolates delivered by the Easter Bunny, no doubt that palate-rotting savage has always been in cahoots with the notoriously sadistic, chopper-collecting Tooth Fairy in the first place ... although I read someplace that the French version of the Easter Bunny is a giant cathedral bell that flies in from Rome. This, on balance, is hardly any stranger to believe than the Bunny myth, but is it really truly THE legend? I sure as hell hope so.)<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm humbled by your remarks. If I thought you didn't care I would ask for your immediate banning for being a cold hearted S.O.B.

PeterK no apologies are needed. It's been a rough month 1/2 for me personally and I can always use a good chuckle now and then, although I do understand where you are coming from.

It’s simply my belief that there is no ’God’, no ’divine being’, no ’creator’......there is no ’supernatural force’ at work in the universe. Of course, I can’t state categorically ’there is no God’, because I have no proof of that. But, if truth be known, the burden is on the believer to prove the existence of God. In other words, it’s like saying Bugs Bunny created the universe and because there is no proof he didn’t therefore it must be so......that’s how I feel about ’God’.

Of course, many ’believers’ like to tell us that science cannot explain everything so therefore what cannot be explained must be the ’work of God’.......but my answer to that is, just because science cannot explain something at the moment it doesn’t mean to say it is the work of a supernatural force.

Mankind created ’God’ in his own image.......mankind invented religion to ’control the masses’ - the Catholic church still does this today - the Pope presides over an ’empire of evil’ which helps exacerbate the problems of over-population and the spread of AIDS throughout the Third World - the Catholic church is peopled by the most heinous hypocrites in history who turn a blind eye to paedophilia and ferment conflict, disease, famine and general suffering in the developing world - that’s how the Catholic church maintains its power.

The Roman Catholic Church’s refusal to allow its ’children’ the use of contraception and abortion leads to countless unwanted or superfluous pregnancies. Regardless of a nation’s political climate this then leads to overpopulation, and ultimately to the agonizing death of millions of starving children. The Catholic Church’s ostensible aim may be to aid the starving and disadvantaged of the Third World, but its hidden agenda is wholeheartedly cynical. The Pope helps perpetuate the suffering and hardships, for this breeds the perfect environment in which the church can continue to manipulate the people.

Thankfully, as mankind learns more about the world and the universe through discovery and scientific knowledge, people are rejecting religion in droves........the UK, for instance, is now a truly secular society.....In fact, church attendance in the UK fell precipitously year in year out during the 20th century, and this general decline thankfully shows no sign of being arrested as we enter the new millennium. This is largely due to the fact we live in increasingly prosperous and enlightened societies. The more educated a person is the less likely such a person will be hood-winked and conned into believing in a ’divine being’. Primitive man invented religion to help explain that which he could not explain. Hence today, in our enlightened times, religion is largely defunct.

I accept that legend has it that Christ rose from the dead, and that this gives meaning to Christianity. But, the resurrection is merely an unsubstantiated tale, thus it simply cannot validate Christianity. The same is true of the merely anecdotal evidence supporting such miracles as the restoration of Lazarus - when it comes to the story of Christ’s miracles and resurrection, much like ’alien abductions’, all you have is a catalogue of religious propaganda and uncorroborated anecdotal accounts without one shred of scientific evidence to validate them. Thus, I believe Christianity to be pure superstition.

The ultimate goal of Western Societies is for all of the peoples of Britain, America and any other democratic nation to be thought of as a single harmonious and united peoples, bound by common aims to better the lot of our families, friends, neighbours, countrymen and humanity as a whole, and driven by the unifying power of fraternity, common sense, goodwill and objectivity, not the handicapping hindrance and damaging divisiveness of religion and superstition.

So few people attend church on a regular basis in the more advanced, enlightened and sophisticated Developed Western World these days. It is a sad fact that it is only in the poorest and most disadvantaged areas of the world that Christianity continues to flourish, and it is just these disadvantaged, unenlightened and often superstitious peoples who are more susceptible to threats of ’the wrath of God’ from the Christian church. In particular, the backward and misguided doctrines of Roman Catholicism have been responsible for the agonizing deaths of millions of people through starvation and AIDS in Africa and Asia, thanks to Rome’s insistence that all forms of contraception and abortion are ’wrong’. But that’s just what Roman Catholicism thrives on, it is the tragedy of pestilence and disease, of famine and drought, of over-population and AIDS, that helps perpetuate Rome’s power. I see the Pope and his thousands of cassock-attired henchmen as genocidal mass-murderers reaping a grim harvest of innocent men, women and children.

It seems to me that those people who believe in God are only willing to believe in things that cannot be proven, for there is not one shred of evidence to substantiate a belief in the resurrection of Christ. Personally speaking, I see faith in the resurrection of Christ as going hand in hand with a belief in pixies, leprechauns and fairies.

Oh, I do have faith......but only in my fellow man, and not in some mythological ’being’........

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Originally posted by justin boggan:
Lucky Splash, wasn't here when Daniel2 made furious attempts at replies and points of view, dare say you two would have made quite the couple. ;-) At least Ford isn't here.

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Are you speaking directly from the Tower of Babel?

Actually, the differences between that place and this aren't very vast....

Splash, I couldn't help, but notice how many paragraphs some of your board replies have been.....