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    Topic:   The Untouchables sequence

     BMikeJ
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    I love Ennio Morricone... but I have to wonder what he's chewing on when he sequences his albums. Anybody know what the correct track sequence is for The Untouchables? Mssr. Lux?

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    posted 04-13-2001 09:57 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    I'll help!

    track 1 goes at the end.


    see?


    NP -- Antony and Cleopatra, John Scott

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    posted 04-14-2001 12:50 AM PT (US)     

     Rang
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    Having just watched the film recently, I'll have a go at it:

    1) The Strength of the Righteous (tr. 8)
    2) Ness and His Family (tr. 9)
    3) False Alarm (tr. 10)
    4) Death Theme (tr. 4)
    5) Al Capone (tr. 2)
    6) Victorious (tr. 6)
    7) Waiting at the Border (tr. 3)
    8) The Untouchables (tr. 11)
    9) The Man With the Matches (tr. 7)
    10) Four Friends (tr. 12)
    11) Machine Gun Lullaby (tr. 13)
    12) On the Rooftops (tr. 5)
    13) The Untouchables (tr. 1)

    "Death Theme" and "Four Friends," whichever version is used, appears in various scenes throughout the film: it presages Costner and Connery's first meeting on the bridge; after "the elevator incident;" Connery's... ; and Costner's office farewell. Likewise, "The Untouchables" (possibly both versions) and "Victorious" are spotted in various scenes, sometimes just for a few seconds.

    "Ness and His Family" and "Al Capone" are also edited for separate scenes ("Ness" maybe making 2-3 appearances, the same for "Capone"). And "On the Rooftops" receives repetitious edits in the film, extending its 2:33 album length by a few mintues at least.

    Most of the cues are edited in the final film, with some passages (on the album) not even in it.

    Hope this helps.

    [Message edited by Rang on 04-14-2001]

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    posted 04-14-2001 01:38 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    I'm generally against End Credits at the beginning of the album (Williams does this all the time ), but what I found most annoying with Untouchables is that the album is closed by the Lullaby. The piece is fine, but so repetitive that I'm always tempted to turn off the CD, because there's nothing coming afterwards, anyway.

    NP: Richard Strauss: Also sprach Zarathustra (Berlin Philharmonic, Herbert von Karajan)

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    posted 04-14-2001 06:56 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    Morricone did that with Mission to Mars. evrything's so out of whack. Malena is the same way, though I'm yet to see that flick.

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    posted 04-14-2001 09:49 AM PT (US)     

     Rang
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    I only own about a dozen Morricone scores, but of those I have, I generally don't mind how he arranges them for album release. Something like THE UNTOUCHABLES is problematic, but to my ears, listening to it in film order doesn't make much of an improvement. I also find recent stuff like MISSION TO MARS and MALENA, for example, largely more satisfying as they are instead of in chronological order.

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    posted 04-14-2001 05:41 PM PT (US)     

     BMikeJ
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    Thanks for the track listing, Rang!

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    posted 04-15-2001 11:53 PM PT (US)     

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    I think this is the correct track order:

    1) The Strength of the Righteous (tr. 8) - The Main Title
    2) Ness and His Family (tr. 9) - As we see Ness reading the news about the little girl death
    3) False Alarm (tr. 10) - just before the attack on the warehouse
    4) Al Capone (tr. 2) - the long hotel traveling, ending on Capone's bed
    5) Victorious (tr. 6) - Malone leads Ness to a sucess attack on Capone's booze house
    6) Waiting at the Border (tr. 3) - prior to their assault on the Canadian border
    7) The Untouchables (tr. 11) - the assault on the Canadian border (first time we hear the triumphant Untouchables theme)
    8) Death Theme (tr. 4) - first hearing on Charles Martin Smith's death scene on the elevator, played again on Connery's death scene
    9) The Man With the Matches (tr. 7) - the long traveling around Malone's place, ending with the break in
    10) Machine Gun Lullaby (tr. 13) - the train station sequence
    11) On the Rooftops (tr. 5) - Ness chases the gangster
    12) Four Friends (tr. 12) - Ness bids farewell to Andy Garcia
    13) The Untouchables (tr. 1) - the end title

    Yes, some cues are used again slightly different in other scenes, but this are I think the correct order as we hear on the CD.

    As for why Morricone sequences his albums the way he does, I can't explain. Never read anything about it. But I think he likes to think on his albums as musical experience, not worrying about correct track sequences etc. But who knows for sure?


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    posted 04-16-2001 07:08 AM PT (US)     

     Rang
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    Your welcome, Mike.

    Andre, your order looks OK as well. I'd say there's probably a few more ways you could program the CD to get it in film order because of the number of times cues were tracked into different scenes.

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    posted 04-16-2001 02:15 PM PT (US)     
     

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