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Anya_Angie

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The Ten Commandments is a magnificent score for a magnificent movie. definitely one of Bernstein's best. what does everyone else think?
posted 04-08-2001 04:42 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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you are correct!
posted 04-08-2001 05:04 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I'm in favor of it!
posted 04-08-2001 05:12 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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I agree 100%. I was suprised the version available is a re-recording of the original.
posted 04-08-2001 06:00 PM PT (US) 
Probable

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Everyone already said what I was going to!
posted 04-08-2001 06:52 PM PT (US) 
scoreguy15
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quote:
Originally posted by Probable:
Everyone already said what I was going to!Me too!
Clay G.
posted 04-08-2001 07:55 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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I've always loved Bernstein's wonderful score for DeMille's The Ten Commandments.
And, I've always been curious about one minor detail:
At the start of the Exodus from Egypt, just as Aaron shouts' "Sound the trumpets!" there is a fabulous fanfare that sounds as if it might have been played right there on the set alongside the actors. It's very brief, but incredibly rousing, and it sounds like about a dozen horns are playing in harmony, with several others playing a simple one-note undercurrent of counter melody.
I wonder if Bernstein composed that as well?
posted 04-08-2001 08:03 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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I don't know but there is a fanfare that the Ewoks in Return of the Jedi use before they begin their attack. I heard that trumpet fanfare on the 10 Commandments cd and almost burst out laughing.
posted 04-08-2001 08:09 PM PT (US) 
Anya_Angie

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I remember that part! you know, that is on TV now. That's why I thought of it. this was the first movie I saw that I ever paid attention to the music. My dad made me watch it when I was six or seven, and I loved it ever since (This was in the late 80s.) and that is the first movie that made me love movie music. thank you Mr. Bernstein!oh I would love to get that soundtrack someday... (sighs in content at the thought of it) lol!
posted 04-08-2001 08:11 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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It's out there on MCA, a re-recording done by Bernstein but it sounds great.
posted 04-08-2001 08:15 PM PT (US) 
Eric Paddon

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I'm watching my DVD of the film now (and what a magnificent transfer it is) and am glad to see there's some attention being given the film's great score here. The existing CD is good but inadequate IMO. A surprisingly good sounding boot was available about five years or so with more music from the film tracks (including the Overture that is believed to have been written by Victor Young) but missing the entire middle of the picture, including the rousing Entr'acte (erroneously called "Overture" ono the MCA CD).A lot of talk has been made for years about the need for a complete Spartacus to be available on a legit pressing, but "The Ten Commandments" is just as if not more worthy of the same.
posted 04-08-2001 08:34 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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I'm surprised how much I like DeMille films despite their melodrama. I just saw Madame Satan recently and I always recommend The Story of Dr. Wassell to people as one of the best films there is about WWII.DeMille was a conservative, one who almost had all the leftists kicked out of the director's guild during the McCarthy era. His papers are held at Brigham Young University and the curator who deals with hundreds of boxes of material that DeMille saved throughout his life said that DeMille had the most enormous ego to think all this would be important to somebody.
The biblical epics of the 50s were a way to put sex on screen and still get around the Catholic Legion of Decency and other groups. It's hard to condemn a costume drama for it's buxom babes and passionate affairs when they're verbatim from the holy books. Sure of all the stories you could tell about King David, it's his adulterous affair with Bathsheba that's made into a movie, but that's Hollywood.
And one of the delights of The Ten Commandments (even if it makes the film harder to take seriously) is watching Anne Baxter in heat in nearly every scene.
But what is also interesting about the biblical epics, and I'm thinking about The Ten Commandments, King of Kings, and The Fall of the Roman Empire in particular, is that they also have a lot to do with politics, with what kind of leadership is best for the masses.
The DVD includes a coming attractions trailer that runs 9 minutes with DeMille talking about the film in a study very much like the one Lowell Thomas speaks from at the beginning of the Cinerama films or Edward R. Murrow does at the start of Around the World in 80 Days. And in this wonderful trailer, DeMille makes it more explicit than he does in the film itself that the story is about the conflict of rule by Divine Law and that of dictators.
Yet the thing which is a DeMille signature is the need of the masses to have a special and charismatic leader (not unlike say DeMille) to keep things together. When Moses and Joshua leave the people to obtain the law, it's not too long before the people are crying, "Who will lead us?" as if they couldn't figure this out on their own. One of the key moments in the film in this regard comes when Joshua tells Moses to stand at the highest point so people crossing the Red Sea will see him and be encouraged/inspired to continue without panic.
Bernstein's score is wonderful, no that's too slight, it's a masterpiece. Interestingly though, although this score and The Man with the Golden Arm put Bernstein "on the map", he doesn't seem too fond of this one and considers more subtle scores like To Kill A Mockingbird to be his great achievements.
I do believe that the trumpets referred to in previous posts are ram's horns, an ancient instrument still used in services in Hebrew synogogues.
Originally, Victor Young as set to score The Ten Commandments as he had most of DeMille's previous films. Young must have known he was in poor health because he turned the score down saying, "If I did this, DeMille would work me so hard it would kill me." As it is, Young died anyway in the middle of scoring Sam Fuller's China Gate at around the same time.
The score was issued on Dot records originally. It was re-recorded for its first release but the version there is very close to the original. Bernstein then re-recorded it again at some point in the 70s, in a version which is very far from the original but which is still enjoyable in many ways (for instance, the Egyptian dance is given an new arrangement which I prefer to the film and Dot versions). The Dot version wound up on a Japanese CD and original tracks wound up on a bootleg. The 70s version is available on an MCA CD. A suite from the score was included in Bernstein's CD for Denon records, Bernstein by Bernstein. I actually think any of the versions are satisfactory, this music being so good that it's pretty hard to mangle it (though replacing the theremin for a synth instrument on the 70s re-record comes pretty close to doing so).
[Message edited by Lou Goldberg on 04-11-2001]
posted 04-11-2001 03:37 AM PT (US) 
JJH

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quote:
Interestingly though, although this score and The Man with the Golden Arm put Bernstein "on the map", he doesn't seem too fond of this one and considers more subtle scores like To Kill A Mockingbird to be his great achievements.
and he would be right. Mockingbird is evry bit as much a masterpiece as Ten Commandments.
NP -- Portrait of a Lady, Kilar....can't seem to get past track 5....such lustrous, refined, weighty music....awesomeposted 04-11-2001 11:09 AM PT (US) 
Eric Paddon

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Any archivist who dismisses the retention of material by someone as a case of pure ego only that no one will ever be glad to see someday isn't doing his profession one whit of credit in my book.I'm still hoping for DVD releases of "Samson And Delilah" and "The Greatest Show On Earth" someday.
posted 04-11-2001 01:21 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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EP--This particular achivist, James D'Arc, is also in charge of Brigham Young's extensive film music collection. But I may not have done him justice in my previous post. He wrote a short article which is reprinted in the book of essays, Howard Hawks, American Artist, about meeting Hawks and collecting his papres for their collection. Hawks hadn't kept much and D'Arc was glad to get what there was. In the article he contrasts Hawks with DeMille. Just previously he had gone to collect DeMille's papers to archive and there was a whole Xanadu of material. D'Arc said that it was obvious that DeMille was a man of ego who felt everything he touched obtained special status as a result. I made it seem that D'Arc felt that no one would be interested in such minutae but that was my own take on it not his. I hope that clears it up.
posted 04-11-2001 09:09 PM PT (US) 
Eric Paddon

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I appreciate the broader context on that. Thanks.
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