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Author	Topic: Whats the story behind The Predator score not being released? I think its time!

TimT Oscar® Winner	Well since we got releases of a new Total Recall, and an upcoming Aliens which has been bootleged before. What is the story now, and during the time of the films release, envolving the score to The Predator never to be released?!
posted 04-07-2001 03:58 PM PT (US)

Probable Oscar® Winner	Hear hear!! Say, why doesn't someone...I don't know...start a petition or something?
posted 04-07-2001 04:04 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	:-) Because I want to find out exactly whats going on first, and also who to ask to release.
posted 04-07-2001 04:10 PM PT (US)

ManOfSorrows Oscar® Winner	Yeah! We want this score now!
posted 04-07-2001 04:11 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	beep [Message edited by Jeron on 04-09-2001]
posted 04-07-2001 05:04 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	I see... well I would buy it, even though there is bootleg. Silvestri should reconsider. I've heard that Super Collector used to sell the bootleg when it first came out. Where is BMikeJ? Anyway, Alien, Total Recall all were bootleged and are still being released, so why not Predator? I've been hold off on the bootleg anyway, and I'm sure many others have as well.
posted 04-07-2001 06:00 PM PT (US)

Drixorial Oscar® Winner	Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there a bootleg of Predator floating around? Either that or alot of people have some horrible mis-labeling of 33 tracks on Napster.. NP: Face/Off - John Powell
posted 04-07-2001 07:50 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	I have the complete PREDATOR bootleg ... very good sound. Back when 20th Century-Fox briefly had a soundtrack label division, among their projects was a release of PREDATOR. If memory serves, it would have been half an hour of music (or possibly 45 minutes), coupled with 15 minutes from Michael Kamen's original DIE HARD, and the whole album would have opened with Elliot Goldenthal's distorted 20th Century-Fox Fanfare as heard in ALIEN 3. This was on the burner for a LONG time, but took a back seat to older scores like THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, partly because the Hollywood musicians' union was more tractable about licensing those more ancient precious minutes. Not so PREDATOR/DIE HARD. By the time Fox Records folded, there was talk about reviving PREDATOR/DIE HARD at Varese -- some of the other vintage Fox projects such as JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH did later come out through Varese -- but PREDATOR/DIE HARD was considered too pricey (even PREDATOR alone was considered too expensive). Additionally, some people both inside and outside the fiasco believe that the boots of PREDATOR (and DIE HARD) have been floating around for so long that a commercial album is no longer viable -- especially considering that it would inevitably be shorter than the bootleg, and still cost a phenomenal amount to produce. Irony of ironies: Intrada had first dibs on the PREDATOR album, back when it was to be recorded in Hungary. After a day or two of recording, however, everyone was so unsatisfied with the performance that the plug was pulled, and PREDATOR became a Hollywood union recording. Intrada bailed at that point -- no way could they afford that kind of re-use fees (having already been sufficiently burned on RED DAWN and POLTERGEIST II). At this point, I sincerely doubt there will ever be a legitimate release of PREDATOR. P.S. Jeron, would the SuperTracks version of PREDATOR have been issued as a promo? THAT I can believe. I can also figure PRECISELY how and why Silvestri might have believed it became a bootleg ...
posted 04-07-2001 08:13 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	Well considering that most of 70 min bootleg is filler music. A 45 min re-recording conducted by McNeely or Debney is still appealing to me. They could even have some selections from Judge Dredd if they wanted. Also My Most Knowlegable Friend H Rocco. What happened to Prometheus release of Trevor Jones' Loch Ness?
posted 04-07-2001 08:42 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	I have no idea.
posted 04-07-2001 09:59 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	beep [Message edited by Jeron on 04-09-2001]
posted 04-08-2001 12:15 AM PT (US)

Probable Oscar® Winner	I thought so
posted 04-08-2001 12:35 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	No, Jeron - many SuperTracks releases are legitimate ones, not promotional ones. For instance, ATTILA, BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA (Expanded), and many others are legit. Dan
posted 04-09-2001 11:33 AM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Dan, thanks for the clarification. I never really payed attention to whether or not the SuperTracks cds I bought had barcodes or not. My bad. For all those who are upset over this entire thread, I've edited out my previous posts. Take a chill pill, people!! Sorry Ford! [Message edited by Jeron on 04-09-2001]
posted 04-09-2001 01:06 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	So...holding off on the Predator bootleg hoping for something offical is only futile? And there are two Predator's I noticed one with Bounus Tracks and the other with just the score claiming to be a promo. What is it? [Message edited by TimT on 04-09-2001]
posted 04-09-2001 01:56 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	All releases of the PREDATOR score are bootlegs. No promos, no official releases. I heard that Arista was also working on an official release a while back, but it never came to fruition. Oh well. Dan
posted 04-09-2001 02:34 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	Different PREDATORs may have different bonus tracks from other Silvestri scores. Mine claims to have music from BLOWN AWAY, but the guy who burned it for me (in a trade) couldn't be bothered to include it
posted 04-09-2001 03:19 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Jeron. Did Ford tell you to erase your posts? This thread should speak VOLUMES about bootleggers and puppet strings.
posted 04-09-2001 03:42 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Peter, no, Ford has not been in contact with me for quite some time. Removing my posts was a personal decision I made as a courtesy to a couple friends. Those people did not request I remove the posts, either. I just decided that it was for the best (and I do have my reasons). Big deal. Those who wanted to see what I posted have seen it by now. Yours truly, Jeron [Message edited by Jeron on 04-09-2001]
posted 04-09-2001 05:53 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Anyway, about the score. An official release would be nice, but let's be real. Does it matter? I imagine if people really wanted this, they would have no problems getting their paws on it, thanks to tight soundtrack collector circles, file sharing websites, etc. If/when an official release arrives on the scene, all the more merrier. Yo Tim, personally, I don't know about a re-recording. When re-doing electronic parts, which have a big place in this score, things usually get real messy. Anyone ever heard Silva's Vangelis/Greek Movie Music album? Egads. Run for the hills. And yeah, get the music in a trade or something. Don't pay anything for it, but at the same time don't wait for the official release. There is no hard rule that proves bootlegs prevent official releases from happening. While it's good to adopt morally sound positions like this one, the more likely reason something doesn't see an official release lies in the licensing costs as budgeted against total projected revenues. Not many big movie and/or music companies are interested in licensing deals that would only bring in tiny profits, and not many small music companies can afford them, as Mr. Rocco points out. But, whatever. Let "producers" say what they may, let everyone else think what they may. It's all spin.
posted 04-09-2001 07:37 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Well said, PK.
posted 04-09-2001 07:41 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	So did Varese gain the profits they wanted for thier re-recording of Last of the Mohicans? The original soundtrack still very easy to find, and music isn't all that spectacular, and I don't remember seeing any petitions anyone requesting a rerelease. So what urged them to re-record that score? Perhaps they could do the same for the Predator.
posted 04-09-2001 10:03 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Tim, original soundtracks like Mohicans, which sell extremely well over a 6 month or 6 year time frame, are bound to spawn knock-offs, re-recordings, etc. Just think back a few summers ago to all those Titanic-themed compilation albums. A soundtrack release for Predator does not fit the above formula... not even close.
posted 04-09-2001 10:20 PM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: All releases of the PREDATOR score are bootlegs. No promos, no official releases. I heard that Arista was also working on an official release a while back, but it never came to fruition. Oh well. Dan The Arista album was the Fox release. They were the company that distributed Fox before Varese.
posted 04-15-2001 04:59 PM PT (US)

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