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Topic: Horner's best theme?

Camillu

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Ok, ok, so Horner-bashing can be real fun, and many of his scores can be played back to back without noticing the difference - but at the end of the day Mr. Horner has come up with quite a few emorable themes over the past 20 years or so.Which would you consider to be Horner's best theme?
Whether this means most beautiful, most whistlable, most fitting etc. is up to you.Out of the dozens I've heard I'd have to choose the 'Freedom' theme from Braveheart, which appears in 2 tracks, most notably the finale - and which to my knowledge is not ripped-off in any other score of his

The floor is yours.
[Message edited by Camillu on 04-05-2001]
posted 04-05-2001 08:47 AM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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Sneakers.Dan (UK)
posted 04-05-2001 08:49 AM PT (US) 
Camillu

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Dan - which one?
posted 04-05-2001 08:50 AM PT (US) 
Will

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Sort of ripped-off : Titanic (Rose)Original (as far as I know) : Legends of the Fall (The Ludlows)
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posted 04-05-2001 09:12 AM PT (US) 
Quill
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Willow's Theme, Spock's Theme, and the main theme from Glory spring to mind.More recently, I agree with you on "Freedom" from Braveneart, "Rose" from Titanic, and then theme from Bicentennial Man.
posted 04-05-2001 09:58 AM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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I'd better not.
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posted 04-05-2001 10:48 AM PT (US) 
Al

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Definitely The Rocketeer.
posted 04-05-2001 11:44 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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These are all good ones. Of those not yet mentioned, I find the main and love themes from KRULL particularly evocative, as well as the "Hymn" from COURAGE UNDER FIRE. And for once I chose not to pounce on Horner for borrowing from himself: the lovely ONCE AROUND is mostly based on the gorgeous opening track from LAND BEFORE TIME, but so differently and persuasively arranged that I was actually GLAD he'd come back to that motif.
posted 04-05-2001 11:48 AM PT (US) 
JJH

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I like his In Country most of all.posted 04-05-2001 12:16 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Sneakers is great, I'd pick the "possibilities" theme, for lack of a better description. It's the one that plays prominently when Redford meets Kingsley again for the first time, and later during the final confrontation on the roof. Has a certain "space"-kind of sound.Damn, I still don't have that score!

PS: This thread is very dangerous.

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posted 04-05-2001 12:19 PM PT (US) 
Aaron Hose

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The Ludlows, from Legends of the Fall. Second, the Willow main theme. I also happen to like Searching For Bobby Fischer a lot.posted 04-05-2001 01:42 PM PT (US) 
GrizzlyMV

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well, Schindler's List...oups I mean, Enemy At The Gates! :-) No but seriously, I would say Freedom from Breaveheart.
posted 04-05-2001 04:21 PM PT (US) 
Daniel J

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The place where dreams come true- Field of Dreams
posted 04-05-2001 04:45 PM PT (US) 
Dalboz

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I personally love the sad theme from Casper used throughout the score. The Rocketeer and Krull are also good ones, though.
posted 04-05-2001 05:59 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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KRULL's Main Theme and KRULL's Love Theme by far...
posted 04-05-2001 07:08 PM PT (US) 
Probable

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All sorts from ST II/III
posted 04-06-2001 12:09 AM PT (US) 
Andy Lindahl

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Without doubt the Reading the Letters theme from The Spitfire Grill. Wonderful.
posted 04-06-2001 02:14 AM PT (US) 
Drixorial
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There is quite a few good ones and picking a favorite is like picking a favorite child, it just doesn't happen
A few of mine would be,
Theme from Cocoon - Cocoon
Michael's Gift to Karen - Brainstorm
For Love of a Princess - Braveheart
The Wedding - Legends of the Fall
Preperations for Battle - Glory
Casper's Lullaby - Casper
Diego's Goodbye - The Mask of Zorroto name a few
granted these are the tracknames and not the actuall theme but you get the idea 
NP: Mulan - Jerry Goldsmithposted 04-06-2001 04:08 AM PT (US) 
John Zimmer

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Have you all forgotten about one of the most underrated scores of all time. The Land Before Time end credits!! One of the better themes by Horner.Np: Legends of the fall also one of his better themes *****!
Jz
posted 04-06-2001 06:20 AM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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Re: "Which One?"Probably the main theme, but it's the only Horner score, along with Field of Dreams, that I absolutely love 100% so I'd go as far as saying any cue!
quote:
Sneakers is great, I'd pick the "possibilities" theme, for lack of a better description. It's the one that plays prominently when Redford meets Kingsley again for the first time, and later during the final confrontation on the roof. Has a certain "space"-kind of sound.Is the "space" reference and in joke? Because Horner re-used parts of that VERY Sneakers cue in Apollo 13. I agree it's a great cue, especially it reaches that haunting "I may even be able to crash the whole damn system" line...
Dan (UK)
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posted 04-06-2001 06:47 AM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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My favorites are the themes from Cocoon and Star Trek II.
posted 04-06-2001 09:26 AM PT (US) 
new york islanders

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Horner's best themes are the one's he hasn't ripped off. LOL Well I'll definetly settle for Cocoon, 48 Hours, Commando and The Rocketeer.
posted 04-06-2001 11:30 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by Dan Brecher:
Is the "space" reference and in joke? Because Horner re-used parts of that VERY Sneakers cue in Apollo 13.I didn't even know about the Apollo re-use, I'm not very familiar with that score. Thor and I had a little discussion over at the FSM board about what I called the "space sound", something like that Sneakers motif. I find the "space sound" to be among the most inspiring music, it can also be heard at the beginning of Richard Strauss' Aus Italien, and I'm quite sure Philip Glass has it in the opening music for A Brief History of Time, but of course that score has never been released on CD.

quote:
I agree it's a great cue, especially it reaches that haunting "I may even be able to crash the whole damn system" line...Great score. Great film.

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posted 04-06-2001 01:46 PM PT (US) 
Dr.Evil

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You can anything about Horner's scores, but his themes are always perfect.Just fast posts from me, thanks again!
posted 04-06-2001 03:21 PM PT (US) 
David OC

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The main theme from The Spitfire Grill is a personal favourite of mine, just ahead of The Rocketeer, Braveheart, Balto and Searching for Bobby Fischer.
posted 04-06-2001 03:59 PM PT (US) 
Howard L
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"The place where dreams come true- Field of Dreams"This has always been one of my favorites, too, but a recent revelation qualifies it all. A portion of the music in this cue--specifically underscoring the moment Terry (James Earl Jones, Jr.) grins at the Kinsella family before journeying into the cornfield; and a variation of it in the cue entitled "Doc's Memories", specifically underscoring the moments earlier when young Moonlight Graham (Frank Whaley) turns into Doc Graham (Burt Lancaster)--is lifted from Copland's score to Our Town (1940). The crib makes sense in that both films and the works they're adapted from could be characterized as "pure Americana". Anyway, the music has been cited in a recent FSM hard copy article as the secondary Grovers Corner Theme, the actual notes having been included in an illustration for Mark Leneker's article. You may find to your own dismay as I did that the music (in the exact Dreams Come True incarnation) occurs in Our Town's early scene introducing both Mrs. Gibbs (Fay Bainter) and Mrs. Webb (Beulah Bondi).
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posted 04-07-2001 11:02 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Yeah, that's Horner's best theme... without a doubt.
Jeron
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posted 04-07-2001 12:04 PM PT (US) 
Probable

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What's the playing time for that theme, Jeron?
posted 04-07-2001 12:08 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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oh, about 3 minutes.ps - it seems i have broke the thread. i so sorry.
[Message edited by Jeron on 04-07-2001]
posted 04-07-2001 12:13 PM PT (US) 
Probable

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You' replaced your turntable with a circular sander again, haven't you?
posted 04-07-2001 12:16 PM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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Well Jeron, if that's not saying all Horner's music sounds the same, then I don't know what is.
Dan (UK)
posted 04-08-2001 01:36 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Oh my... Dan, how could you even suggest such a thing?
posted 04-08-2001 01:41 AM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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Mwuahahahaha....Dan (UK)
posted 04-08-2001 03:33 AM PT (US) 
Probable

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Er...Rocketeer was a good one, too.
posted 04-08-2001 12:33 PM PT (US) 
Anya_Angie

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cool choices. out of all of my soundtracks he takes the lead with an abundant sum of 7. Apollo 13 is unfortunately on a cassette, and almost ruined. ok, now here are my picks.1. Main Title: An American Tail
2. Zorro's Theme/The Plaza of Execution/The Ride/Elena: The Mask of Zorro
3. Main Title: Apollo 13
4. Rose: Titanic
5. Freedom/Sons of Scotland/Warrior Poets/The Proposal: Braveheartafter reading reviews of The Perfect Storm and hearing samples of things it was compared to, I am kind of sorry I bought it lol
posted 04-08-2001 06:10 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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I love Horner's main theme for The Rocketeer, too...and I loved it even more when it was Randy Newman's main theme for The Natural!
posted 04-08-2001 06:43 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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Anyone knows if KRULL is original?
I really like this score, but would be very disapointed if I discover it was cloned from some Schuman's symphony, like he did with WILLOW...
posted 04-08-2001 11:52 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by André Lux:
Anyone knows if KRULL is original?
I really like this score, but would be very disapointed if I discover it was cloned from some Schuman's symphony, like he did with WILLOW...It's no Schumann symphony, at least.
Sounds like "true" Horner to me, like Wrath of Khan - the two scores are very similar, but not too similar.posted 04-09-2001 05:40 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Christopher, I too love the ROCKETEER theme,but don't particularly hear THE NATURAL in it ...
I still think it's a (brilliant) rearrangement of ...
"The Yellow Rose of Texas!"

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posted 04-09-2001 08:25 AM PT (US) 
scored for life

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Horner's theme for "spitfire Grill" is by far the best-one can almost see the leaves falling and feel the sunlight through the trees. However, i have a special fondness for Titanic and Braveheart as well.
posted 04-24-2001 07:12 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
