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    Topic:   Ben-Hur: The Essential Miklós Rózsa

     TimT
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    Though all the music is top quality, I'd just like to say how disappointed I am in this recent compliation from Silva.

    First off its a 2 CD set, and each CD runs only about 50 mins each! There are alot of selections that could have been added to fill over 40 mins of empty space. Or why didn't they expand on some of the suites of the harder to find scores such as adding 2 or 3 more selections from King of Kings,Quo Vadis, or more music from Providence?

    The second thing is if you already own Silva's Warriors of the Silver Screen compliation. Then you already have 30 mins of music from this 100 min compliation. making only 1 disc useful since it would be only 70 mins. The selections taken from the WOTSS compliation are exactly the same as on this new Rosza compliation! If they had to use the same scores why didn't they use other cues from it??
    Now I feel ripped off.


    NP- Medal of Honor II

    [Message edited by TimT on 04-05-2001]

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    posted 04-04-2001 06:00 PM PT (US)     

     Probable
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    Sounds like you did, yep

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    posted 04-04-2001 07:27 PM PT (US)     

     Wedge
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    Just how hard to find are "King of Kings," "Quo Vadis" and "Providence," respectively?

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    posted 04-04-2001 07:43 PM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Wedge:
    Just how hard to find are "King of Kings," "Quo Vadis" and "Providence," respectively?


    Kings of Kings exist only in short re-recordings of suites. The original recording on a special Sony release is 75 min, but the sound is mono and terrible. It also sells for around $70 on eBay since its long OOP.

    Quo Vadis exist as a 15min concert arranged suite.
    Also a German bootleg is out there.

    I'm not sure about Providence but I've never seen it.

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    posted 04-04-2001 07:51 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    Kings of Kings is supposed to be given the royal treatment, so to speak, about a year from now...

    To quote Jack Smith:

    quote:
    ...the mammoth, last word release of KING OF
    KINGS from Rhino will blow everything off the map.

    Miklos Rozsa lives...

    BlkJK



    Providence is readily available on CD from CAM I think.
    http://www.moviemusic.com/title.asp?id=providence

    that'll give you an idea of tracks.


    Quo Vadis is only available on an transfer from the original LP, as I am told by Jack Smith (IIRC) the tapes were lost.
    there is a nice CDR floating around with a re-recording plus the LP transfer.


    NP -- MouseHunt, Silvestri

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    posted 04-04-2001 07:52 PM PT (US)     

     Wedge
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    Um ... reason I ask is that I own all three of these. The Sony "King of Kings" and the CAM "Providence" I remember well. I'll go home and grab "Quo Vadis" so I can give you guys some more info. I don't think it's a CD-R ...

    I also have the old 2-LP set of "King of Kings," but I never listened to it since I found the CD the same week. Is the sound quality better on the LPs? Or in stereo?

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    posted 04-04-2001 07:56 PM PT (US)     

     Eric Paddon
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    The original MGM LP of King Of Kings is in fact a stereo rerecording like the MGM LPs of Ben Hur and El Cid were. The reason why the LP wasn't used for the Sony CD was because as the liner notes said, the LP master only existed in bad quality 5th generation mono of "what had once been a stereo jewel" so that's why they went to the film tracks which as we know didn't sound that good either.

    If you have the "Epic Film Music of Miklos Rozsa" CD that Silva put out a few years ago, there is no reason whatsoever to get this "Essential" CD since it has all the selections of Quo Vadis, King Of Kings, Ben Hur etc. that are on this set.

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    posted 04-04-2001 08:46 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by TimT:
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Wedge:
    [b]Just how hard to find are "King of Kings," "Quo Vadis" and "Providence," respectively?
    <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Kings of Kings exist only in short re-recordings of suites. The original recording on a special Sony release is 75 min, but the sound is mono and terrible. It also sells for around $70 on eBay since its long OOP.

    Quo Vadis exist as a 15min concert arranged suite.
    Also a German bootleg is out there.

    I'm not sure about Providence but I've never seen it.[/B]


    Rozsa made excellent rerecordings of Quo Vadis and Ben Hur in the '70s. They were issued on CD but of course are OOP. If London/Decca/Universal had a clue, they would reissue them.


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    posted 04-04-2001 10:50 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by TimT:
    Though all the music is top quality, I'd just like to say how disappointed I am in this recent compliation from Silva.

    First off its a 2 CD set, and each CD runs only about 50 mins each! There are alot of selections that could have been added to fill over 40 more mins of music. Or why didn't they expand on some of the suites of the harder to find scores such as adding 2 or 3 more selections from [b]King of Kings,Quo Vadis, or more music from Providence?

    The second thing is if you already own Silva's Warriors of the Silver Screen compliation. Then you already have 30 mins of music from this 100 min compliation. making only 1 disc useful since it would be only 70 mins. The selections taken from the WOTSS compliation are exactly the same as on this new Rosza compliation! If they had to use the same scores why didn't they use other cues from it??
    Now I feel ripped off.


    NP- Medal of Honor II[/B]


    Tim, I don't think these types of compilations are aimed at us. They are aimed more at people who aren't necessarily into film music. As an introduction to Rozsa, I think this 2 disc set is just fine. I like to recommend this to customers who are curious about Rozsa but aren't sure where to start.

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    posted 04-04-2001 11:32 PM PT (US)     

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    Tim, welcome to the world of Silva Screw records. I've been posting against these guys so much and with so much venom that Ford Thaxton e-mails me personally to get me to stop.

    I think the idea of having a CD that covers the highlights of Rozsa's scores is a great one. This CD may be offered as a one set Rozsa's Greatest Hits for the layman, but I could see buying other Rozsa CDs that would carry as much weight as this collection.

    BMJ--IMHO I think you'd serve Rozsa's cause just as well by suggesting the Rhino 2 CD Rozsa at MGM set, the Angel Film Music by Miklos Rozsa with early re-records of The Red House and Quo Vadis, and the Gerhardt Spellbound CD.

    Although there are boot versions out there, the real shame is not having legit CDs of the Rozsa's DGR 3 LP set that touched on just about everything.

    NP: Promenade (Carlo Martelli)

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    posted 04-05-2001 02:22 AM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    quote:

    BMikeJ said:

    Tim, I don't think these types of compilations are aimed at us. They are aimed more at people who aren't necessarily into film music. start.


    I beleive that. I don't think any normal sound track released even if its score, is aimed at us. But only exist to promote the movie or in this case the composer. The releases specifically aimed at us are the overly price "Collectors Edition with Deluxe Packaging" scemes.

    NP- The Cameman Valentine.

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    posted 04-05-2001 08:13 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:

    BMJ--IMHO I think you'd serve Rozsa's cause just as well by suggesting the Rhino 2 CD Rozsa at MGM set, the Angel Film Music by Miklos Rozsa with early re-records of The Red House and Quo Vadis, and the Gerhardt Spellbound CD.

    Although there are boot versions out there, the real shame is not having legit CDs of the Rozsa's DGR 3 LP set that touched on just about everything.

    NP: Promenade (Carlo Martelli)


    Lou, I'm inclined to agree with you on the Gerhardt disc but the other two you mentioned are hard sells to people who are not familiar with the films. I like to start them with the Silva compilation and then move onto the fine Rhino 2 CD. Tim, if you don't own the Gerhardt Rozsa compilation, you should pick it up. It's good and it's cheap. I bet Pete is stocking it here.

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    posted 04-05-2001 08:28 AM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    BMJ--Since most of the music on the Essential MR comes from the Epic Film Music CD conducted by K Alwyn, I guess it's OK. Though you could suggest the Epic CD and the Gerhardt together the next time someone asks.

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    posted 04-05-2001 11:46 PM PT (US)     
     

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