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Topic: Pearl Harbor TV Spot

scoreguy15
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Does any one know what music this is? Here's a link to see the spot if you haven't seen it on TV yet: http://www.michaelbay.com/multimedia/pearlharbor/trailers/phtvspot.movCourtesy of MichaelBay.com
Clay G.
posted 03-30-2001 08:03 PM PT (US) 
Drixorial
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Sounds a little like Trevor Jones' opening to Last of the Mohicans...but I'm not sure....
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Crono/Kyp

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Maybe it's Zimmer's score from the film?--Brian
Writer & Film/Video Editor[Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 03-30-2001]
posted 03-30-2001 11:47 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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Doubt it - Zimmer just started recording this past week, and that TV spot has been running for a few days already...Dan
posted 03-31-2001 09:04 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Damn, well it was worth a try. So anyone know where the music is from?--Brian
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Jeron

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quote:
Originally posted by Crono/Kyp:
Damn, well it was worth a try. So anyone know where the music is from?Well, I bet it's either composed specifically for the trailer or it's from something else... but that's just a wild guess.

Jeron
posted 03-31-2001 10:59 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Silly Jeron
--Brian
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otten

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My understanding from reading other sites is that the first part of the trailer is from The Crow: City of Angels, and the second part was written specifically for the spot, but not by Zimmer. It was written by another member of Media Ventures. I also understand that the rescore of the second trailer also has music from The Crow in the beginning followed by non-Zimmer Media Ventures music, again specifically written for the trailer. Hope this helps.
posted 03-31-2001 11:55 AM PT (US) 
scoreguy15
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I know it's not The Crow because I have that score. And I thought the second part sounded like Last Of The Mohicans also, but it's not.Clay G.
posted 03-31-2001 01:02 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Crono/Kyp:
Silly Jeron
--Brian
Writer & Film/Video Editor<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>That's our Jeron...ya gotta love him (just not in a physical or emotional state of course)
[Message edited by Mark Olivarez on 03-31-2001]
posted 03-31-2001 01:06 PM PT (US) 
otten

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I think it is from the Crow. Track 14, called return to the grave. About 1:43 into the track. A woman's voice is heard at first, but if you listen carefully, it is very distinct. It appears to be changed slightly for the trailer, but it is definitely there.
posted 03-31-2001 01:26 PM PT (US) 
otten

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OH, BTW, I am talking about the trailer, not the tv spot. I am still looking for the music for that.
posted 03-31-2001 01:27 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Well, if you really think about it, a TV spot is a trailer...Oooooh, challenging thoughts from Jeron!
posted 03-31-2001 02:26 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Dork
--Brian
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Mark Olivarez

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I have to admit some of the scenes look visually stunning. I didn't realize ILM is handling the visuals until i saw the trailer. Sigh, just think what a composer like Williams or Goldsmith could do with this film.
posted 03-31-2001 08:41 PM PT (US) 
scoreguy15
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
I have to admit some of the scenes look visually stunning. I didn't realize ILM is handling the visuals until i saw the trailer. Sigh, just think what a composer like Williams or Goldsmith could do with this film.Nothing as good as Zimmer. And for the trailer, it's called Believe In Angels from The Crow, I don't know about the Spot though.
Clay G.
posted 03-31-2001 09:04 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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Yeah...it's called "Midway"..."Tora Tora Tora".Let's see what a different voice does for a change....
posted 03-31-2001 09:46 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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Which are way better scores that we will probably end up getting for this film.
posted 03-31-2001 10:23 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Here's what we'll do: when Pearl Harbor comes out on DVD, we'll sync up Goldsmith's score to Tora! Tora! Tora! and release our own version.Shaun
posted 04-01-2001 08:23 AM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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what a brilliant waste of time....
posted 04-01-2001 09:09 AM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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We can give you an option with 3 seperate isolated scores; Williams, Goldsmith and Zimmer.
posted 04-01-2001 09:31 AM PT (US) 
scoreguy15
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A Zimmer isolated score... Wow. Wouldn't even want Williams' or Goldsmith's.Clay G.
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posted 04-01-2001 11:20 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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The trailers I've seen are beautiful, but I've also read that the style of the actual picture is the usual Michael Bay cut-every-three-seconds muck.I seem to be alone in finding Zimmer's THIN RED LINE an overrated score -- although it did work in the picture (and Zimmer himself thought director Terrence Malick picked the weaker moments of the three-plus hours of music he supplied). Who knows, this might be a great score. I always hope it will be.
posted 04-01-2001 11:26 AM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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True Rocco there are always beautiful shots in Micheal Bay's films. However this is an event in our history that deserves a little more respect, not some MTV style synth banging quick cut mess.No you aren't the only one who Finds TRL overrated. A step up for Hans though.
posted 04-01-2001 11:31 AM PT (US) 
scoreguy15
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Actually H Rocco, Zimmer said his approach is like TRL. But not like it was with TRL. TRL is, I hate to say this, over rated. The only track I found to be the best was Journey To The Line. That's the only one I listen to.Clay G.
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posted 04-01-2001 05:38 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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(shakes head at the thought of Lancelot failing to understand the brilliance of the Tora! Tora! Tora! score, which unbelievably was written by just one man)It's going to be amazing to see a film about Americans leaving home to fight in WWII, especially with the film's score being programmed by a bunch of Germans.
Shaun
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[Message edited by Shaun Rutherford on 04-01-2001]
posted 04-01-2001 07:17 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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(shakes head at Shaun Rutherford's failing to understand my original posting.)I have nothing against the brilliance of "Tora, Tora, Tora"....My POINT was that Goldsmith already wrote his WW2-in-the-Pacific score, and that IT IS VALID that Zimmer should be scoring this NEW movie. Amazing? Yes, I hope so.
posted 04-01-2001 07:27 PM PT (US) 
scoreguy15
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quote:
Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
(shakes head at the thought of Lancelot failing to understand the brilliance of the Tora! Tora! Tora! score, which unbelievably written by just one man)It's going to be amazing to see a film about Americans leaving home to fight in WWII, especially with the film's score being programmed by a bunch of Germans.
Shaun
NP---The Sixth Day DVD (upstairs; music by Trevor Rabin/Everybody Including The FedEx Guy)
I am sorry Shaun, but that kind of sounded like a racist remark unless I read it wrong. Could you explain the German part to me?Clay G.
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posted 04-01-2001 07:39 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Lancelot, Nazis are bad. It's ironic.Shaun
posted 04-01-2001 08:07 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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What is that supposed to mean?
posted 04-01-2001 08:08 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Dude, if you don't know, I'm not going to tell you.Shaun
posted 04-02-2001 12:30 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Nazis are bad, yeah. But whenever was a Nazi the same thing as a German? If I recall, countless German's were genocidally murdered as well. Zimmer is hardly a Nazi in the literal sense. But I understand the analogy Shaun is attempting to make, though I kidn of disagree. I'm not going to sit here and say that Zimmer's methodology is great, and perhaps (in a way) he is a "Nazi" persay in what he's doing to the film music industry (in some folks' eyes) - but I think that p.o.v. is a little skewed from reality.Jeron
[Message edited by Jeron on 04-02-2001]
posted 04-02-2001 01:31 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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But, Jeron--To say Hans Zimmer is a "Nazi" is like calling Hitler an "Innovator"...
posted 04-02-2001 02:21 PM PT (US) 
scoreguy15
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I am German, Shaun. Does that mean I am a Nazi?Clay G.
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posted 04-02-2001 06:16 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Obviously, when it comes to Zimmer followers, all attempts at irony are futile.Allow me to explain it for those of you with short fuses.
I found it ironic that a German was scoring an American film about World War II (or the start of U.S. involvement in the war; and I realize that this film focuses mainly on the Japanese/American fighting). When Lancelot asked for a clarification (of sorts), I was "reminding" him that in WWII, the Germans were "the bad guys", that the we were fighting "German Nazis". I figured after writing that, he'd understand the irony. He did not.
I did not say Zimmer was a Nazi. He IS a German, though. That's all.
scoreboy, yes you are a Nazi.
Lancelot, you had it backwards. I think you meant to write, "To say Hans Zimmer is an 'innovator' is like calling Hitler a 'Nazi'."
Shaun
[Message edited by Shaun Rutherford on 04-02-2001]
posted 04-02-2001 07:26 PM PT (US) 
scoreman

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The very beginning of the TV spot IS The Crow: City of Angles track 1. A very good and very underrated score if you ask me. It has a lot of great choral music.-matt
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posted 04-02-2001 08:06 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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I can understand that you meant it "ironically", Shaun. Despite majority opinion, I am not that dense. I can't understand WHY you meant it ironically, though. (Noting here that the implied definition of "ironic"/"irony" is "incongruous") In this instance, would it not be as "ironic" that Spielberg, descending from a Jewish background, made a World War II film?I also understand that your original post was most likely meant as humor and/or glib cynicism, not being a whole-hearted fan of Zimmer/Zimmer's music.
Which is not to say that I am a blind devotee--or what some have taken to labeling as a "Zimmerite"--no--I do not like anything unconditionally, and I try not to be cynical about films and film music....*ironically*, the thing the brings out the most cynicism in myself is the cynicism of others--usually regarding films and film music.....which is what I was addressing, implicitly or directly.
If we can twist this enough:
To say Zimmer is as much an innovator as Hitler is a Nazi, strictly on a purity/intensity scale (not a moral one), then yes, I would agree with you.But to compare Zimmer's output with the attrocities of Nazism, I would strongly disagree, and I would think any attempts to compare the two concepts generally unfunny. (that's me, though....i'm sure in some "more sophistocated" circles, it's uproarious.)
posted 04-02-2001 08:27 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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"I can understand that you meant it "ironically", Shaun. Despite majority opinion, I am not that dense. I can't understand WHY you meant it ironically, though. (Noting here that the implied definition of "ironic"/"irony" is "incongruous") In this instance, would it not be as "ironic" that Spielberg, descending from a Jewish background, made a World War II film?"It's ironic, as it's a film told from the American standpoint, with a score by a German, who were one of our enemies in WWII. Read nothing more into what I wrote than that.
"If we can twist this enough:
To say Zimmer is as much an innovator as Hitler is a Nazi, strictly on a purity/intensity scale (not a moral one), then yes, I would agree with you."
"But to compare Zimmer's output with the attrocities of Nazism, I would strongly disagree, and I would think any attempts to compare the two concepts generally unfunny. (that's me, though....i'm sure in some "more sophistocated" circles, it's uproarious.)"
Just to clear the air, I didn't compare Zimmer's output with the Holocaust (though it is Zimmer and crew who are killing film music for the future). I just don't think that Zimmer is scoring the right films.
Shaun
posted 04-02-2001 09:02 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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"Zimmer and his crew are killing film music for the future."Now that sounds like Nazi propaganda...maybe you should score Pearl Harbor.

posted 04-03-2001 07:39 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Quill... shame on you. You know Shaun has more important projects than to stoop as low as scoring a Bruckheimer film. Come on, his time is valuable!
[Message edited by Jeron on 04-03-2001]
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