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    Topic:   The Goldsmith Factor

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by PeterK:
    Eh, quit "egging" on the FishChip.

    Hmmm. FishChips with eggs!

    NP: Mulan Expanded (Jerry Goldsmith)

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    posted 03-21-2001 01:10 PM PT (US)     

     Mark Olivarez
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    Hmmmmmm...food........

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    posted 03-21-2001 03:28 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    Quill--Wedge is the Man. You should listen to him and not to James Horner.

    I don't think there should be one topic devoted to Horner bashing. I think everyone should bash him on every topic as much and as often as possible.

    James Horner is the Anti-Christ.

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    posted 03-21-2001 09:27 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
    James Horner is the Anti-Christ.

    That's an interesting interpretation!

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    posted 03-22-2001 09:26 AM PT (US)     

     André Lux
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    Nah...! Hamzinnzer is the anti-christ.

    Horner is just the court's fool!


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    posted 03-22-2001 09:41 AM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    I can't help but notice the reflexive irony in that last post....

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    posted 03-22-2001 12:05 PM PT (US)     

     André Lux
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    You mean your post, which was the last one until this one I just posted??

    This lad is indeed exotic!

    [Message edited by André Lux on 03-22-2001]

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    posted 03-22-2001 01:55 PM PT (US)     

     mlw
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    "Nah...! Hamzinnzer is the anti-christ."

    uh, no. More like the lost member of Air Supply.

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    posted 03-22-2001 02:53 PM PT (US)     

     Bulldog
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    Hmmm.

    My only comment would be that I think that we're putting WAY too much emphasis solely on the aesthetic component of film music.

    Mr. Horner should not use pre-existing MUSIC (literally the same NOTES) in his scores. However, after much thought about the subject, I would be much more critical of the composer if he did not have a keen dramatic insight, generally speaking.

    Of course, Jerry Goldsmith and other film composers are going to rely on pre-existing musical IDEAS, etc., in writing scores. Film music has to be accessible, and for a film composer to be able to communicate to his audience, he has to speak in a language that his listener understands.

    Jerry Goldsmith writes music that is relatively inventive in as much as film music can or should be, but, what makes him the superior craftsman is the way in which he organizes a musical statement. He is one of the most exceptional musical communicators that there has ever been--if not THE best.

    I don't fault a composer such as Goldsmith for his reliance on other composers' styles, but, rather praise him. Ultimately, my concern is not with the music itself but with its dramatic implication--how the music is used for communicative purposes *within a film to which it is wed.*

    [Message edited by Bulldog on 03-22-2001]

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    posted 03-22-2001 04:50 PM PT (US)     

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    Bulldog

    Just wanted to say how much I agree with your comments here. Excepting the remark "Mr. Horner should not use pre-existing MUSIC (literally the same NOTES) in his scores.", you have perfectly mirrored my own perception of the film score's primary purpose.

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    posted 03-23-2001 10:59 AM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    I think we're getting away from the main point. Is Goldsmith's action music interchangeable? To my mind it is, because he seems to have this constant ostinato going around in his head which dictates how he scores those scenes, as if he were continually walking around lop-sided.

    But what great ostinatos they are! I'd still like to see him try another approach though.

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    posted 03-23-2001 03:07 PM PT (US)     

     Wedge
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    Like I said: I think Goldsmith's most typical approach is to find the PULSE of an action scene, then describe it musically. He's been known to deviate from this when it's important to describing the subtext of the scene. He's also been known to merge the two techniques, as in "Total Recall."

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    posted 03-23-2001 03:16 PM PT (US)     
     

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