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Topic: Ennio Morricone....an acquired taste?

Mark Olivarez

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This past Friday I went out and purchased my first two scores by Morricone. I bought Mission to Mars and The Untouchables. My first reaction was not one of positive nature. Granted I was listening in the car during my hour trip back home from Austin so I couldn't really hear as well as I would at home.I posted in the New Collection that I was unsure about both. That prompted an immediate reply by his H'ness that he may be an acquired taste but that I should be able to appreciate him. So I sat up until 3:00am (it's the weekend and I have no life
) listening to M2M.I saw the movie last year when it came out and one of the things that actually left a small impression was the score. Well after repeated listenings I can honestly say I was wrong about Ennio.
M2M is a very good score, I wonder if it was temped with Saving Private Ryan because there are some very subtle moving moments. One of my favorite tracks is 8 which scores Tim Robbins death. The movie was so bad it makes me wonder if Morricone realized the same thing and decided to try a different approach for this film.
The moaning/whispering effects for spaceand the planet work well. The "dreaded organ music" actually works IMHO for space. The only objection I have is track 4 with the bleeps and boops as I like to call them. I felt just the moaning/whispering effects would have worked just fine. Also some of the Enya sounding voice effects could have been done with actual people IMHO.
I'm also starting to warm up to The Untouchables. Morricone does take awhile to get used to and now that I've opened the door what others would you recommend to a beginner?
posted 03-18-2001 09:21 AM PT (US) 
JJH

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you NEED to check out some of his western scores:
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
A Fistful of Dollars
For a Few Dollars More
Two Mules for Sister Sara
Once Upon a Time in the Westthat's just a few....
he is an acquired taste most definitely, but his music is so rewarding.
you should try to find one of the many Morricone compilations that exist to get a feel for his stuff.
NP -- Fire Water Paper: A Vietnam Oratorio, Goldenthalposted 03-18-2001 09:32 AM PT (US) 
PeterK

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What JJH said.Rhino's "Fistful" comp is a great collection, most highly recommended.
http://www.moviemusic.com/title.asp?id=enniomorriconefistful
Once Upon a Time in the West and The Untouchables can be had for less than ten bucks each. It's a crime not to own these, especially for the cheap price tag!posted 03-18-2001 09:39 AM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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I would definitely have to recommend Once Upon A Time in the West, which is one of Morricone's best works. Evocative, exciting, strangely moving. In fact, try to find a letterboxed copy of the movie to watch, so that you can see how the music is used in the film (one of the best film/music interactions ever).Although the cheap RCA release is still around, try to find the Spanish release, which has better sound and additional tracks.
If you like this score, you will probably like his other Western scores, particularly those for Sergio Leone, which include A Fistful of Dollars, For A Few Dollars More, The Good the Bad and the Ugly and Duck, You Sucker (alias A Fistful of Dynamite).
Morricone's last score for Leone is the intense and moving Once Upon A Time in America, which has also recently been remastered and expanded.
An indispensible Morricone album is the beautiful and nostalgic Cinema Paradiso, and if you like The Untouchables , you may also enjoy Revolver.
I myself really enjoyed Bulworth, the first half of which is incredibly moving, the second half of which was insane, and I absolutely loved Lolita, which I found a very haunting work.
Truth be told, however, there are quite a few Morricone collections out there that may help you get through his considerably large body of work (particularly his Italian collection).
To have a look at some of what Morricone has done, click here.
Not listed there is one of my favorites, possibly out-of-print, called State of Grace, from MCA records. This is a great score, centered around a beautiful love theme that flirts with tonality. Morricone based several of his later scores (including U-Turn, Bugsy and Love Affair) on this style.
Talk about an active topic... there were no responses when I started typing, but two beat me to it.
That's okay, we all agree... Ennio is awesome
[Message edited by Swashbuckler on 03-18-2001]
posted 03-18-2001 09:42 AM PT (US) 
JJH

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U-Turn is a masterpiece.highly underrated, it is quite evocative of the desert southwest portrayed in the film...and the perverted characters.
NP -- still on Fire Water Paper...3rd mvmt just started....awesomeposted 03-18-2001 09:48 AM PT (US) 
Dr.Evil

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One of my all time Morricone favs scores is The Time Of Destiny. And don't know why I like Love Affair...
posted 03-18-2001 10:00 AM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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I know we're talking about film music here, so I think I'm in the clear when I say Most If Not All Composers are An Acquired Taste....
posted 03-18-2001 01:08 PM PT (US) 
lars b

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THE MISSION !!!!!!!!!!!
posted 03-19-2001 02:46 AM PT (US) 
André Lux

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Yes, Ennio Morricone (as any other really skilled composer) is an acquired taste.I still remember when I was just starting my appreciation of film music at the 80's when I would praise only John Williams (for STAR WARS and RAIDERS) and maybe Horner and Goldsmith (for STAR TREK).
But when someone mentioned Ennio Morricone (and others like Alex North, Franz Waxman or Alfred Newman) I would twist my nose and say something stupid like: "Blah! This guys are way overrated! Only snobish film critics like their music" - the same attitude we often find around here.
Too bad no one has ever asked HOW MANY SCORES from these composers I've listened, because the answer would be NONE!!
But them I saw THE MISSION... and the rest is history!
Since them my taste for the maestro has grown year after year...
posted 03-19-2001 05:42 AM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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I agree that he, along with a number of other composers, is an acquired taste, but one well worth the effort.I find his music evocative and subtle at the same time. He is willing to take risks that a more timid composer might shy away from and whether you agree with his choices or not, you will never feel that his effort was phoned in or that he just showed up for a paycheck.
Listen to the Legend of 1900 and try to imagine it without his music. Not possible. I am not saying that another couldn’t have scored it, but it would be a totally different movie. In a film where musical virtuosity is a must because of the subject matter, I can’t think of anyone more flexible in style and vision who could bring exactly what this film needed to bear.
I am hard pressed to find any other film score composer who writes in as many styles as Ennio Morricone does. And when you consider that most of his work never made the jump across the pond except as expensive imports, his talents become even more impressive.
I would recommend that anyone who hasn’t tried some of the better compilations give them a try and get exposure to a little more of his astounding range. (Fistful of Film Music is an excellent choice as it samples from many different styles and genres of film)
posted 03-19-2001 10:12 AM PT (US) 
Luscious Lazlo

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THE HELLBENDERS is a brilliant wordless choral track. It has the same yearning quality that can be heard in the Leone scores. It reminds me of a phrase that Stravinsky used about Beethoven: "virile melancholy".The modulation of the trumpet in THE HELLBENDERS is a masterstroke. Ennio's technique for the chorus is similar to John Barry's technique: he uses simple repetitive melodic lines and creates musical tension by changing the backing chords.
posted 03-20-2001 08:55 AM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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The Hellbenders, huh?Last time I took advice from someone on the Message Board on Ennio Morricone, I ended up with Revolver, which is an awesome score...
posted 03-20-2001 05:31 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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Actually, I think if you're having problems with The Untouchables, which is very accessible for Morricone, you may find the total scope of EM difficult to get into.He was an acquired taste for me. I couldn't play him in my teens--too modern. Now I'm glad I acquired the taste because I think he's amazing. But I had to mature into it.
Morricone just doesn't sound like the Hollywood scores you grew up on. I know a number of people who still can't stand to listen to him.
posted 03-20-2001 10:48 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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I don't know if anyone's been reading the film mags or not, but Ennio Morricone has gotten some very positive words in both EW and Time Magazine about Oscars.Given this hype, one has to wonder if Malena will indeed win. I personally will consider it heresy if Gladiator wins. CTHD is also an accomplished score, but Morricone's been snubbed 5 times before.
Give the old master a trophy!
NP -- Nobody's Fool, Howard Shoreposted 03-21-2001 07:45 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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Lou I can agree with you on that point. I think as I've gotten older and matured more (somewhat
) I've been able to expand my love of film music to include many composers. Slowly Morricone's work is making a bigger impression to me as I listen to it.
posted 03-22-2001 09:57 AM PT (US) 
Tim_P

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I received What Dreams May Come Rejected last week. That's one of the most touching scores I've ever heard. I strongly recommend everyone who doesn't have it to go seek it out. Too bad it's only 30 minutes long. I could've used another half hour. That simple recorder (recorder or panflute? don't know my obscure woodwinds) theme is so great. Who was the jerk that rejected that score? Was it the director? Someone needs to put a flaming bag of dog-poo on his front porch!
Tim
NP: Black Beauty - Elfman
posted 03-22-2001 10:12 AM PT (US) 
JJH

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I have heard that the director thought Morricone's score was too heavy for that particular film -- NOT that it was inappropriate or anything, or for lack of beauty.So, I'm guessing that the director knew he had a theologically trite film, so he went to Kamen.
beauty film to look at, but looks aren't everything...
posted 03-22-2001 01:21 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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For me Morricone wasn’t an acquired taste. I remember
sitting in a theater watching A Fistful Of Dollars and instantly loving
his music. A Few Dollars More, Good, Bad, the Ugly, Duck You
Sucker, Once Upon a Time in the West, etc. just kept reeling me in.
My brother and I found other treasures from him like The Big Gundown
and Seven Pistols for the McGregors. Our problem was that we assumed
ALL of his music would sound like his westerns, so we purchased other LP’s
of his Italian movies. Some of his music is bizarre and almost unlistenable
detached from movie visuals. Alienation is possible should one start with
his extremely dissonant scores.He left westerns (sob sob)
and has pursued his own interests. Certainly during the last 20 years, he
has written gorgeous, melodic scores. His versatility in music is amazing,
and his variable styles are hard to pigeonhole. I usually try to see his movies
or hear sound clips before ordering because you never quite know what type
of a score he may compose. The last three I’ve purchased have been
The Untouchables, Legend of 1900 and M2M, all very enjoyable.I think you have to pick and choose with Morricone, but that may be true
with most composers. However, for me he really isn’t an acquired taste.
Herrmann, IMHO, is more of an acquired taste.Now if we could just get Morricone, Goldsmith, and Bernstein to compose
more westerns, I’d be a happy lady.NP Commancheros
[Message edited by joan hue on 03-29-2001]
posted 03-29-2001 11:32 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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Mark O--I love Morricone, absolutely love him. But it didn't happen automatically for me. The first Morricone score I heard at the age of like 13 didn't even sound like music to me. It took me a number of years, scores, and seeing films he'd scored to get into his aound and approach. That's my experience. So I can understand someone else having a harder time getting into him or not being able to at all. When you're brought up on American scoring for movies and TV, the foreign scores initially sound different. Ask me for a cassette of his 60s psychedelic scores like Cat of Nine Tails and you might get an idea of what I'm getting at.[Message edited by Lou Goldberg on 03-31-2001]
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