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Lightborne

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Sorry guys, but I have to ask again. In the same vein as the recent thread for Hans Zimmer's THE FAN, I must ask "WHAT ABOUT THE THIN RED LINE????" This movie is just so amazing...every time I see it, it gets better. And I have a hard time believing there isn't a bootleg of the score out there somewhere. The best theme on the thing (Sean Penn's theme) is absent from the commercial release, except in the chant at the end, which doesn't do it justice. Does anyone know anything out there about an expanded release or boot or something?And while your at it, what about a dvd special edition of this film. DTS was a nice step, but come on... MORE, MORE, MORE!!!!
posted 03-14-2001 06:27 PM PT (US) 
sean

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I love this film and score, too; I think it's Hans Zimmer's best score, and for me, it always will be. Just thought I'd point out that Sean Penn does not have a theme in the film, but, there is a theme used for the relationship between Sean Penn and Jim Caviezel (played twice in the film and of course in the end credits; it is played when the two characters are together, the theme is never played for an individual). The song you speak of (re-orchestrated by Hans) is the theme for Jim Caviezel's character, played at the beginning of the film. And, I too wish I knew anything about an expanded score of TTRL.NP: (the humming of my G4)
posted 03-14-2001 06:48 PM PT (US) 
cine-sin

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HiI have to agree with you here. TTRL is one of my favorite films/scores.
Not only does an expanded version of the score need to be released but also a DVD of the film will all the wonderful features.
The theme you refer to is highly sought after and it seems that the only way to get a copy is to rip from DVD..which means you get all the dialogue. I actually did a primitive edit to see what the score sounded like with the poetic dialogue and it was quite beautiful.
One bootleg available is the double CD of Hans Zimmer's Gent concert which features, 'Light' and 'Journey to the Line'. 'Journey to the Line' loses most of its impact live but is still great to listen to. Furthermore, 'Light' is played without that resonating 'theme' tacked onto the end. That particular 'theme' also happens to be my most favourite missing 'cue'. Luckily, its in the credits.
FYI: The Australian VHS release of 'The Siege'...the end of the film was followed by 'The Making of TTRL'. Why this did not appear on the DVD is well beyond my capacity for reasoning.
One day..there has to be a directors cut and re-released. It has to happen..it has to happen....it has to happen.....
Rochelle
posted 03-14-2001 06:51 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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Absolutely!! I can listen to tracks 2 & 3 endlessly, and the sheer power and feel of those tracks overwhelmes each and every time.I know that sounded dramatic...but..tear...I can't help it.
posted 03-14-2001 06:52 PM PT (US) 
Hasta
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"Journey to the Line" has got to be one of my favorite tracks of all time.NP: Enemy at the Gates (Horner) ***/***** ... getting better on 2nd listen
posted 03-14-2001 08:05 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I think it was a perfect FILM score. And I prefer that picture over the same year's (decent) SAVING PRIVATE RYAN. Yet the album leaves me absolutely cold.I am reliably (more than reliably) informed that Zimmer composed more than three hours of music for director Terrence Malick to pick and choose from, and Malick tended to select what Zimmer himself believed were the weaker cues. Zimmer felt most honored to be chosen for this assignment, but composer and director, as happens so often, did not quite see eye to eye.
It's a great movie and a great FILM score, no matter what, but I just can't get into the album.
posted 03-14-2001 09:45 PM PT (US) 
Laurence Page

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I loved this film and the use of music.
I haven't heard the album and didn't get it assuming most of the music I liked was missing.
The music that stayed with me since seeing the film on the big screen, and subsequently copying it directly from the Video is when Ben Chaplin's character gets his "Dear John" letter - amazing downwards string theme, very sad..
The stunning opening organ chords that accompany the crocodile shot is from Estonian composer Arvo Part's "Annum per Annum". I wonder if these are on the album? I somehow doubt it..
posted 03-15-2001 04:54 AM PT (US) 
cine-sin

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quote:
Originally posted by Laurence Page:
I loved this film and the use of music.
I haven't heard the album and didn't get it assuming most of the music I liked was missing.
The music that stayed with me since seeing the film on the big screen, and subsequently copying it directly from the Video is when Ben Chaplin's character gets his "Dear John" letter - amazing downwards string theme, very sad..
The stunning opening organ chords that accompany the crocodile shot is from Estonian composer Arvo Part's "Annum per Annum". I wonder if these are on the album? I somehow doubt it..Hi Laurence,
Do yourself a favour and get TTRL. Its worth it.
The first cue you refer to, is on the album and is called 'Light'. The piece is used from the point where the soldiers are on the back of the truck and heading towards their relaxation sight (ie more or less after Tall's message is read).
This is the most important part of the film, because its what the film works towards...ie to show the effect of war on the human spirit.
The cue is actually too short for the entire seqeunce which starts at the soldiers on the truck and ends with the lights on the tent. To compensate this, 'Light' is extended with a clumsy edit in the scene where Bell (or his wife) stands on the balcony.
Ives (The Unanswered Question), Part (Annum Per Annum), Faure (In Paradisum op.48) , and Jovanovic (Prophecy from the Island of Kremnus) do not appear on the CD. Thanks for pointing out where the Part piece was used....since that was the only one eluding me....and to think it was right there in the beginning.
Regards,
Rochelle
posted 03-15-2001 02:23 PM PT (US) 
sean

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What scene is the Jovanovic piece used in?
posted 03-15-2001 03:32 PM PT (US) 
cine-sin

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quote:
Originally posted by sean:
What scene is the Jovanovic piece used in?Hi Sean,
It is used in several different places but the most obvious is before the main battle.Its very hard to detect and as Arsenije says himself:
"What is my music - Prophecy of the Village Kremna - in the film was not easy
even for me to recognize because the sound team of the film has mixed
Prophecy with real sounds of the nature, what I found stupid, because in my
piece there were already sound of the nature - very much processed, mixed,
remixed etc. etc. in order to achieve a very subtle structure etc. etc."I don't know if you've heard Arsenije Jovanovic's piece but it starts off a pulseless diatonic synthesizer with a sound similar to the cosmic beam (TTRL - also see below). It then changes to a ringing bell sound (like crickets in the distance) and that's what I mostly hear.
I don't know if you've heard Francisco's 'Cosmic Beam Experience' but the two are stylistically 'similar'. Throw in Ives' pulseless diatone and you have great stylistic and thematic structure.
Francisco's semi-psychedelic new age record was of course later to become the Cosmic Beam in TTRL while 'Sit Back and Relax', as a whole track, was entirely lifted from the record. Furthemore, Francisco was credited as Francesco Lupica on TTRL.
Because Arsenije and Francisco's work are similar, in that they both have cosmic beam sounds. It becomes difficult to distinguish whose music is being used where.
Regards,
Rochelleposted 03-15-2001 04:30 PM PT (US) 
sean

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Thanks for the info, I always thought those were pieces written by Hans Zimmer or John Powell for the cosmic beam instrument.NP: Metallica - Cunning Stunts DVD *****/***** (HELL YEAH!)
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