Shaun

OK...

Here we are, a young composer, who writes several excellent scores and is well received. After about a decade we come to realize the creative juices have dried up somewhat. What are we to do? Be honorable and give it all up because we cannot write a complete score with completely original and creative material? I think not...instead we rework our material that was so well received and make an excellent living. Wow, we even win an Oscar for material people have heard before. Directors love us and our score albums sell well...why would we ever stop.

I think that the righteous indignation touted around these parts is only natural and somewhat justified. But I feel that if we were in his shoes we'd be doing exactly the same thing. On the other hand, none of us has written merely a single great score, so who's to say what we would do.

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Originally posted by Quill:
On the other hand, none of us has written merely a single great score, so who's to say what we would do.

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Speak for yourself, I scored the film "Lawrence of Arabia" under the pseudonym of Maurice Jarre, so if I want to criticise Horner, my 1963 Oscar grants me that power.

Tim

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Originally posted by Quill:
On the other hand, none of us has written merely a single great score, so who's to say what we would do.

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Indeed, I've never writen a movie score, but I if I did so I would never use the same themes, motifs and entire passages as Jamei Horner always do. Just because I am sure some people would recognize it and this would make me feel quite ashamed...

Yes, simple as this.

Track 1: 34 times
02: 11
03: 0
04: 17
05: 5
06: 0
07: 18
08: 2
09: 10
10: 11
11: 13
12: 0

Total: 121 times!
Plus, 2 inversions of the motif appear in track 1- (accident?)

Don't worry about my sanity or how I managed to waste 76 mintes of my life doing this- I was at work and was thus PAID for doing it. hahaha... Anyway, I wonder if there's some sort of pattern to that? 3,6, and 12 don't contain the motif. I wonder if it's all code and Horner's trying to relay secret plans to build a spacecraft to take us back to his home planet...

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Originally posted by Jim Ware:
You have far too much time on your hands.

[Message edited by Jim Ware on 03-19-2001]

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Originally posted by André Lux:
Just because I am sure some people would recognize it and this would make me feel quite ashamed...

Yes, simple as this.

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Andre Lux ashamed? Lol, man your killing me...

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Originally posted by Probable:
Where is it written that a composer may not reuse his own themes? Hell, Zimmer gets praise for reusing OTHER peoples' themes!

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Originally posted by Probable:
Where is it written that a composer may not reuse his own themes? Hell, Zimmer gets praise for reusing OTHER peoples' themes!

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Oh-oh! Wait a minute. Who praises Hanzimmer, except mindless teenagers who don't know **** about music or anything ?

Ok, my reply..

I used to be a Horner fan until I saw this movie. I ignored all the bashing, and constantly said to myself that this is the composer's style, and if he wants to continue using his own stuff over and over let it be done. But he went too far with this one. Way too far.

The love theme is almost note for note (with the slight key change) from Schindler's List. He made it so damned obvious that everytime I heard it my stomach turned. And the constant Willow references cracked me up. It was like dejavu.

Never again will I buy a James Horner disc. I will still listen to his older stuff, but his newer scores are so rehashed it's pathetic. And I used to be the first one to defend his name. Pfhhaaaa