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Marian Schedenig

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Here's an article about Howard Shore in connection with his assignment to Lord of the Rings:Howard Shore Composer of the Rings
I haven't read it myself yet (I'm off to bed after posting this message), so don't shout at me if it's worthless.

[Message edited by Marian Schedenig on 03-05-2001]
posted 03-05-2001 06:42 PM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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A good find, and a good read!Dan (UK)
posted 03-05-2001 07:16 PM PT (US) 
Wedge

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A fascinating read! I am perhaps not quite as enthusiastic as Mr. Betz, but I do share his optimism. He makes a compelling argument that I happen to agree with.My favorite observation:
Peter Jackson is not looking for another John Williams. He is attempting to make an experience like no other. The ... spectacle is subversive ... most effectively expressed not through the mythic events, but through the physical and mental scars of the characters ... Perhaps Mr. Shore will reinvent ... what an epic score should be.
Good stuff! Easily my most anticipated score of the coming year. Now go read the article.
posted 03-05-2001 07:50 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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The link wouldn't work.
However, I'll say once again that although Shore is a surprising choice for this assignment, I have no doubt he can pull it off, and am very much looking forward to whatever it turns out to be.
posted 03-05-2001 11:02 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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good article, though forget a few of Shore's scores that I like, such as Before and After, which really shows a sensitive side to his music, and Analyze This, a fun big band jazz score.gotta love those jabs at Horner.
I very much look forward to Shore's score.
posted 03-05-2001 11:44 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Okay, NOW the link works.
Nothing in the article says anything other than I already guessed, have written, and believe. I'd still be curious to hear Kilar take a hack at it, but Shore is just fine by me.
NP: BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES (Leonard Rosenman ... hey Marian, weren't you pulling for Rosenman to do this version as well?
)posted 03-06-2001 12:03 AM PT (US) 
André Lux

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Great article.Shore is the man!
posted 03-06-2001 07:16 AM PT (US) 
John Dunham

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Looks good. I am awaiting Shore's score eagerly; with luck, it will be a stroke of genius.NP: Rake Ness, Mash Nor Jeer ****
posted 03-06-2001 01:37 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Just finished reading the article, and it's indeed very good. Here are some thoughts of mine, and forgive me if I'm beginning to sound like an endless loop.
As I said before, choosing Howard Shore to score the trilogy does definitely signify one thing: They gave serious thoughts to who should compose the score. Nobody would have picked Shore without expecting him to do an important contribution to the films.
I'm certainly not a Shore expert - I have Ed Wood, Looking For Richard, Dogma and The Cell on CD, and know several others from the respective films - but he seems to me to be first of all a very visual composer. Meaning that many of his scores don't necessarily work that great on album without knowing the accompanying visuals - for example, I found his scores for Se7en and The Game very good in combination with the films, but I don't know if I would need to have them on CD.
I definitely disagree that he's a "score producing machine" or a "typical Hollywood" composer. His work is much too subtle for that. Considering the many different scores he's done, I'm also confident that he CAN compose a "psychological adventure score" for LOTR. The point that still makes me a bit nervous is: HOW will he CHOOSE to score it?
His trademark style of dark "brooding" underscore will certainly fit many parts of the film. But for LOTR this won't be enough. As most of you know, I consider Rosenman's work on the animated LOTR one of the best scores ever written, yet even that one is missing certain aspects which I think are very important in this case. It's not his fault, these aspects simply were not present in the film to begin with. His score is dark, menacing, (darkly) heroic and at times adventurous. What it's missing - and my great hope is that Peter Jackson did NOT leave this out - is the "beauty" of the whole story. I haven't read the novel 8 times because it's so dark, or so thrilling, but because it's still a pleasure to read and in a way very uplifting. Rosenman's main theme works in that way, but it's not used very often throughout the score.
Finally, in this case I particularly want the score to work as a pure listening experience. This is not the main purpose of a good film score, but I think we all agree that since we all love listening to film scores, it's a very important aspect to us. As I said, I don't doubt Shore CAN write a score that pleases all my wishes. The question is, WILL he write it that way. And that's no criticism, I simply don't know it.
Regardless to say, I will buy the CD as soon as it comes out (but this time, I WILL keep it on my shelf unplayed before I've seen the film
)BTW, Rocco & Wedge: Did you get my mails?
posted 03-06-2001 06:02 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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quote:
Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
I definitely disagree that he's a "score producing machine" or a "typical Hollywood" composer.Whoever said this stupidity obviously never heard his remarkable scores to NAKED LUNCH, DEAD RINGERS or CRASH...
posted 03-06-2001 07:01 PM PT (US) 
Wedge

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quote:
Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
BTW, Rocco & Wedge: Did you get my mails?Unless you're talking about "Les Troyens," no.
posted 03-06-2001 07:06 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Yep, the second one, with corrected login and password. Did you get that one?NP: Carlito's Way (Patrick Doyle)
posted 03-07-2001 02:04 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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No mail from you, Marian, not in many weeks (nor have I written you lately, although I've noticed mail doesn't always get through to you. Have the same problem with Andre on occasion.)As for Shore's ability to write beautiful lighter melodies, a skill he doesn't often get asked to do, I need only to point you at his beautiful score for BIG. On balance, I think the RINGS trilogy will be an ideal showcase for his little-appreciated range. Might even nab him his first Oscar nomination (that he doesn't have one yet, even for the multi-award-winning SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, is grotesque, but then so is the process.)
Marian, I wonder if you've seen Peter Jackson's fascinating HEAVENLY CREATURES ... while I expect the RINGS trilogy to be nothing like that in terms of the material, it still has a real sense of quirky fantasy, both light and dark, that weirdly seems to anticipate the RINGS. I'm thrilled that a real visionary like Jackson got this assignment -- he's a film artist in a genuine way that Ralph Bakshi, who made the original, really wasn't and never could be. (I figure Bakshi got the assignment because they decided the thing had to be animated, and he was a cult figure at the time, albeit a mediocre and undeserving one, in my simultaneously humble and all-knowing estimation
)posted 03-07-2001 09:21 AM PT (US) 
David OC

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Overall, a decent article but the observations of one person quoted in it are offensive in their stupidity - that scores like Crash, Seven, Silence of the Lambs and others are "generic Hollywood music"!!! Ignorant fool, says I !!! These scores, in their uncompromising bleakness couldn't be further from "generic."[Message edited by David OC on 03-08-2001]
posted 03-08-2001 01:44 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Rocco, I've seen only parts of Heavenly Creatures so far, but what I saw was very promising for LOTR. The overall style of the CGI sequences was "psychologically" impressive and also kind of versatile.NP: Anton Bruckner: Te Deum (Berlin Philharmonic, Eugen Jochum)
posted 03-08-2001 04:57 AM PT (US) 
Quill
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I remain hopeful...yet with a undercurrent of nervousness. This is a large moment for the books, fans, and the filmmakers, and I feel it is a film where the score will play a critical role. I think there would se some level of anticipation for any composer writing the score...
posted 03-08-2001 08:31 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
