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TimT Oscar® Winner	I'm looking for some non biased opinions from non die-hard Bruce Broughton fans on the score to Lost in Space. Also I'd like to know if the TVT release of the score is enough compared to the extended Intrada release. I believe that more is not always better, but what is the case here? NP> North Star (John Scott)
posted 03-02-2001 08:23 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	I'm not a die-hard Broughton fan, though I admire him, and haven't caught up to the Intrada version yet, but ... go for the long version. I did suffer through the movie, and the ONLY thing that impressed me was the score. Unless you've seen the TVT in the bargain bin, won't they cost kind of the same anyway?
posted 03-02-2001 08:26 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	Yeah the bargin bins is what I had in mind with the TVT release. But if the expanded one is better, then why not. But I'm just curious right now as too which to which is better to get, and if the score is good at all. NP> North Star (John Scott)
posted 03-02-2001 08:37 PM PT (US)

Brad Wills Oscar® Winner	The score is Fab-U-Lous!! Skip the TVT release at all costs. It omits most of the best cues and leaves the total listening experience anti-climactic. Intrada is the only way go.
posted 03-02-2001 08:40 PM PT (US)

Al Oscar® Winner	When his trademark Broughton-like theme kicks into galloping action mode, it's a load of fun. "Thru the Planet" is a blast. Top-notch.
posted 03-02-2001 08:41 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	The tribe has spoken!
posted 03-02-2001 08:54 PM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by H Rocco: I'm not a die-hard Broughton fan, though I admire him, and haven't caught up to the Intrada version yet, but ... go for the long version. I did suffer through the movie, and the ONLY thing that impressed me was the score. Unless you've seen the TVT in the bargain bin, won't they cost kind of the same anyway? He's not a die hard Broughton fan? He suffered through the movie?????? BAN HIM Peter, BAN HIM!!!!!!!!!!! On a more serious note the Intrada disc is excellent and I highly recommend it.
posted 03-02-2001 09:02 PM PT (US)

Wedge Oscar® Winner	In this case, MORE IS BETTER! I bought the TVT release when the film came out, and was all too happy to replace it with the Intrada version. I don't consider myself biased where Broughton is concerned -- this was, in fact, the first score of his I actually purchased. And it is nothing short of a masterpiece. A true powerhouse in every sense of the word. The main theme is inspiring, the performances are thrilling, the orchestration is gorgeously layered. This score has action, adventure, suspense, romance, terror, exhilaration, tragedy and inspiration in abundance. It still grows on me with every listen. Like I said, there are only a few themes, but the subtle and brilliant ways in which Broughton manipulates them is a true acheivement. If you buy the TVT version, you are selling yourself short! The music is truncated and prevented from reaching its fullest potential. This is one of those scores that needs a full-length disc to live and breath and grow. This is not a case of you simply missing atmospheric filler music ... every track is an integral part of the whole, all building and weaving together until the planet-shattering conclusion. This score is LEAGUES better than the film ever came close to being. A true marvel considering the incredibly short time Broughton had to compose it. This is one score that made me GLAD Goldsmith and Williams were unavailable. Don't believe me? Check out Jeff Bond's review here: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/1999/03_Feb---Lost_in_Space_Expanded_CD_Re view.asp Some quotes from that review: "If Broughton is guilty of anything, it's in doing something that Jerry Goldsmith often seemed to do in the '70s--namely, scoring the best possible version of the movie instead of the one that actually got made. Broughton picks up on the themes and emotions inherent in the storyline and creates a score far more rousing than the movie for which it was written." "The film's dramatic climax ... was bungled ... but Broughton's scoring of the sequence (and the subsequent destruction of the Jupiter 2 in an alternate time line) is so deeply felt that he almost single-handedly salvages the idea." "Intrada's expanded release is full of terrific moments ... one of the most satisfying orchestral soundtracks in recent years, and one made all the more enjoyable by Broughton's recognizable personal style." [Message edited by Wedge on 03-02-2001]
posted 03-02-2001 09:14 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	TimT, be careful. These are all pretty biased opinions.
posted 03-02-2001 09:22 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	No doubt you are entirely correct. I recommend that all of us be banned, ESPECIALLY, oh never mind
posted 03-02-2001 09:48 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: TimT, be careful. These are all pretty biased opinions. I can see that Look at Wedge! quote: Originally Posted by Wedge: This is one score that made me GLAD Goldsmith and Williams were unavailable. Thats a bit extreme.
posted 03-02-2001 10:38 PM PT (US)

new york islanders Oscar® Winner	EXCELLENT! Is all i can say bout this score which was done in like 3 weeks if you can believe it! Get the Intrada version, the TVT is just half the score which isn't complete in parts and pop syth music some of which isn't featured in the movie. Get the Intrada one. When will we finally see a legal release of Young Sherlock Holmes, can anyone answer that question please! I know, I know there was an LP which a decent running time, but I think it's time that this masterpiece score deserves the treatment Lost In Space had. Don't you think so guys! P.O. The Caveman's Valentine (Terence Blanchard) ****
posted 03-02-2001 10:56 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Wedge: This is one score that made me GLAD Goldsmith and Williams were unavailable. Tim, he speaks the truth. It's a fantabulous score. I can't say enough good things about it. I bought the TVT album and was happy with what I had - but was even more excited to recieve the expanded album from Intrada. If awesome had a sound, it would be called Bruce Broughton's "Lost In Space." Jeron
posted 03-03-2001 12:33 AM PT (US)

John Dunham Oscar® Winner	One more biased opinion: I'm no die-hard Broughton fan, but Lost In Space is quite enjoyable. Great theme, good action music, and all for a terrible film. Get the Intrada though, TVT stinks. Oh yeah, and all those biased opinions up there are also correct. NP: Hard Rain, Chris Young
posted 03-03-2001 09:34 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by new york islanders: When will we finally see a legal release of Young Sherlock Holmes, can anyone answer that question please! I know, I know there was an LP which a decent running time, but I think it's time that this masterpiece score deserves the treatment Lost In Space had. Don't you think so guys! Young Sherlock Holmes deserves a complete ultra-deluxe edition with all alternate version etc. and a massive booklet. Not only a masterpiece, but even better than your average masterpiece. Regarding Lost In Space, I find it really good, but I'm not quite as excited about it as most people on this thread. But maybe I'm missing something, I need to play it more often.
posted 03-03-2001 09:50 AM PT (US)

Wedge Oscar® Winner	He doesn't like "Lost in Space" as much as the rest of us! BAN HIM!!! Honestly, guys, what's that all about? YSH and LIS are two VERY different scores. Both absolutely fantastic in their own way, and both marked by Broughton's unique style. Marian: Don't worry. There's no piece of music that's so good that it affects everyone to the same depth. Except Prokofiev's film music, of course.
posted 03-03-2001 10:04 AM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	Broughton so rarely gets a chance to cut loose, in ANY genre, I thus frankly agree with Wedge. From Goldsmith or Williams, we'd have gotten fine work, no doubt, but also very much of a piece with stuff they've already done. Broughton had never scored a picture like this, rancid as it is, and really got to show off. Ditto TOMBSTONE, which he inherited from Goldsmith as well. Yes, he'd done a lot of Western stuff, but TOMBSTONE is as far removed from SILVERADO as 100 RIFLES is from WILD ROVERS. Why aren't I banned yet?
posted 03-03-2001 11:17 AM PT (US)

Wedge Oscar® Winner	To avoid your question, Rocco, the proper phrasing is "Why am I not banned yet?" Expanding the contraction, "Why are not I banned yet?" simply doesn't make sense. Why does anyone not use proper grammar? Did you ever notice how the messageboard THANKS you for editing your posts? As if it knew you screwed up? I have this creepy theory about how maybe the internet is smar-- >POP< [Message edited by Wedge on 03-03-2001]
posted 03-03-2001 11:36 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Pop goes the Wedge. NW: Cleopatra (on TV)
posted 03-03-2001 11:50 AM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	nd as a con cert ba
posted 03-03-2001 12:28 PM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Oscar® Winner	Wedge! Speak to us! Ohmigawd... ______________________________________________________________________ But seriously, folks. I do have one of those "biased opinions," but I have to say that I found Lost in Space to be light and airy and somewhat uninvolving in the suite one finds on the TVT album. The Intrada album, on the other hand, is wholly involving. The additional material opens up what is established in the various tracks appearing on the TVT album, adding immeasurably to the impact of the score. This is not a score that can be "excerpted" very well. Pretty much the only way to listen to this score is to play the album all the way through. I happen to have a taste for large-scale epic film scores, and this one certainly fits the bill.
posted 03-03-2001 12:48 PM PT (US)

Wedge Oscar® Winner	quote: Wedge! Speak to us! ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US. [Message edited by Overmind on 03-02-2001]
posted 03-03-2001 01:09 PM PT (US)

wistiti Oscar® Winner	Ban me but I think the score is just about average. Sure, it's a good score. And it was blasted by too many critics as being flat and boring and borrowing motifs from Silverado or Tombstone or one of those. I don't know and I don't care about re-used motifs. What I know is that I enjoy this score even though it might not be the best Broughton ever composed. Whatever the case, the Intrada version is much better than the TVT edition, bargain bin or not. If someone wants to buy the Lost in Space score, there's no doubt in my mind the Intrada should be the one to get.
posted 03-03-2001 01:40 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	BAN HIM! BAN HIM! Is Mr. Overmind the new companion of Search Feature? NP: Lost in Space (Bruce Overmind)
posted 03-03-2001 02:56 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	LOST IN SPACE is a wonderful score. Lots of orchestral power and some quite stirring themes. The Intrada complete score is gorgeous. Too bad the movie is so awful! P.S.: My opinion is not biased since I am the only one with enough guts to say: Hanzimmer farts in public elevators!
posted 03-03-2001 04:10 PM PT (US)

Wedge Oscar® Winner	You mean you don't?
posted 03-03-2001 04:12 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Regarding Sherlock Holmes - my CDR has great sound quality, but the choral track "Waxing Elisabeth" is very hissy - does that mean this (one of the best, and without a doubt important, tracks of the score) wasn't on the official LP? NP: The Hunt for Red October (Basil Poledouris)
posted 03-03-2001 04:28 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	I haven't heard my LP, and hence not heard the music, in more than a dozen years, but as I remember it, the album does include "Waxing Elizabeth."
posted 03-03-2001 04:53 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Good for the album - but why is the sound quality so bad on that track of my CD then, when the rest sounds excellent? Strange. NP: Kimberly (Basil Poledouris)
posted 03-03-2001 05:23 PM PT (US)

Wedge Oscar® Winner	Marian: your CD-R was probably mastered from the 2-CD scoring sessions bootleg, not the original LP. The aforementioned bootleg DOES NOT CONTAIN the choral version of "Waxing Elizabeth." So that cue was probably taken from an mp3 or a poor-quality LP transfer.
posted 03-03-2001 06:24 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	My disc is indeed a condensed version of a 2CD boot, missing most of the alternates. What is the "aforementioned bootleg" - the LP? I thought that was an official release? Somehow, your post doesn't quite make sense to me. Where do you suggest do the high-quality tracks on my disc come from, and where the hissy Waxing Elizabeth?
posted 03-03-2001 06:31 PM PT (US)

Wedge Oscar® Winner	Sorry for the confusion. I'm suggesting that the majority of your disc is condensed from the good-sounding 2-CD bootleg, but that the hissy "Waxing Elizabeth" is taken from a poorly mastered LP-transfer. You are right, the original LP was an official release.
posted 03-03-2001 06:59 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Ah, thanks. (And I always admired how well LP transfers can sound when playing that CD...)
posted 03-03-2001 07:12 PM PT (US)

John Dunham Oscar® Winner	Marian: I have the 70-something mintue boot, and my version of "Waxing Elizabeth" sounds just fine. I could send you a MP3 if you like. NP: Hannibal clips. (Dialogue or no, I have to get this. But I won't pay full price; I'll find it cheap someplace.) [Message edited by John Dunham on 03-04-2001]
posted 03-04-2001 06:27 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Thanks John, that would be fine!
posted 03-04-2001 08:24 AM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	quote: Hanzimmer farts in public elevators! I thought I was the only one in the world who did that!
posted 03-04-2001 11:39 PM PT (US)

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