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Originally posted by SPQR:
unless your 14, whereupon your cinematic naivety will be tolerated.

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Most 14-year-olds know the difference between "your" and "you're".

Tim

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Most 14-year-olds know the difference between "your" and "you're".

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Originally posted by Scott:
Well, heck, let's all bow to the master of cinema.

Scott

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YES!
He finally realized!

Funfa-funfa-fun-fa!!!

If there is something different in this case, then I don't know. But it seems like everyone involved along the way has been trying to push the idea that this is not a remake.

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Originally posted by Chris Kinsinger:
For those of you out there who don't understand WHY a "new" [b]Planet Of The Apes movie has been made, let me refer you to the GEORGE LUCAS SCHOOL OF MARKETING, where Georgie baby not only earned mega-bucks from the original releases of his movies (and the toys!), but went on to earn DOUBLE mega-bucks by adding a minute or two of extra footage to each of them.
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Hahahahaha!!!

I knew it! For the moment I saw the trailer I tought: "IT IS GEORGE LUCAS FAULT! WHO ELSE???"

BTW, everything is GEORGE LUCAS fault, including the high prices of bean in Malásia!

BAN HIM Peter, BAN.........oops getting carried away, it's all you fault Rocco!!!!

I've never scene Apes straight through...and from everything I've heard and read this does not appear to be a pure remake...were not talking Psycho hear.

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Originally posted by Quill:
People that hate Tim Burton will dislike this film whether it merits it or not. Some of us will simply enjoy it and move on...Come on peaple...are we really expecting anything groundbreaking from a movie where Marki Mark interacts with people in ape suits.

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Well, who would expect that Chuck "Lets Arm Ourselves to the Teeth" Heston interacting with people in ape suites would be a masterpiece?

BTW, I have no problem in recognizing that Tim Burton did a couple good movies: ED WOOD and NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
See?

Besides, I agree with Mark:

BAN GORGEOUS LUCAS!!
HE IS ONLY AFTER YOUR MONEY!!!!!!!!
BAN HIM!!! BAN BAN BAN!!!

Uh...excuse me, Andre, but...back in 1968, Mr. Heston made a little movie in which he "interacted with people in ape suits", and it IS regarded by many (myself among them) as a masterpiece.

Perhaps you forgot about that one.

And as much as I DO love you, Andre, I would thank you to kindly keep your ridiculous comments about the Second Amendment to OUR United States Constitution to yourself. Unless, of course, you are in the process of applying for U. S. citizenship.
I haven't noticed anyone here prying into Brasilian affairs. You would do well not to pry into ours.

NP: Planet Of The Apes Meistro Goldsmith

As for the rest of your comments, what can I say? Maybe you people don't talk about Brasil because you don't know anything about it - except about favelas and carnaval.
But you should, since it's your government who ultimately rule over here too, which makes you people responsible for whatever happens here also.

As for yours "Second Amendment" praising... well, tell that to the fathers and mothers of all those kids slaughtered in your high schools by 12 year olds playing with daddy's machine guns in YOUR United states...

But I know: in the end this is all George Lucas fault...

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Originally posted by Chris Kinsinger:
[b]And as much as I DO love you, Andre, I would thank you to kindly keep your ridiculous comments about the Second Amendment to OUR United States Constitution to yourself. Unless, of course, you are in the process of applying for U. S. citizenship.
I haven't noticed anyone here prying into Brasilian affairs. You would do well not to pry into ours.

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Not to start the old debate again - not here - but please consider that when Haider's party became a member of the Austrian government over a year ago, the whole world protested, including the US. And I do believe they had every right to do so. In the same way, I believe non-US citizens have a right to criticise "internal affairs" of the US. It's only one world.

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Originally posted by Quill:
There is a difference here, unfortunately Andre is not respectable or polite enough to recognize that.

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You are right. I was never good on this "politically correct" business. I prefer to stay true to what I think instead of being false or whatver it is called just to look "nice" and "polite" to others...
People must love or hate me for what I am.
And I am prepared to face the consequences of my acts - like people attacking and trying to mock me.

Plus, I would be glad to see you people saying what you think about Brasil. Unfortunately I am sure you guys can't say anything about it. But you should, since those people on Washington are quite interested in our country...

My comment to Andre was based upon my (completely personal) belief that it is possible for a person to hold, and indeed express opinions that are utterly powerless and totally worthless, and therefore not even worthy of the effort required to publish said opinion!

In short: Some of us have opinions about things which we have absolutely NO RIGHT to have opinions about!!!

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

We ALL have opinions about music, art and movies.
We discuss them here.
OK, fine.
In that particular arena, our individual opinions do count.
However, when someone here expresses an opinion about the laws and precepts prevailing in the government of the United States of America, a different set of rules comes into play.
Andre is certainly FREE to say whatever he damn well pleases anytime at all, but when he criticizes an American citizen's stand upon the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, then, I, as a CITIZEN with VOTING POWER in the United States Of America have the ability and the constitutional authority to proclaim:

NYA! NYA! NYA!

NYA! NYA! NYA!

I am PROUD to be an American!

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Originally posted by Chris Kinsinger:
My comment to Andre was based upon my (completely personal) belief that it is possible for a person to hold, and indeed express opinions that are utterly powerless and totally worthless, and therefore not even worthy of the effort required to publish said opinion!

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I don't think it's worthless to express our opinions about other subjects besides film music here. That's how we can learn things and facts we didn't know and grow up a little.

And sorry Chris, but since your beloved government think it is right to invade, threaten and control other helpless countries (like mine) it gives me (or any other) perfect right to have opinions about, NYA??

BTW, I am very proud to be an AMERICAN too!!

Andre's fellow Brasilian, the brilliant film historian and marine biologist Horacio Higuchi (any chance you know him, Andre?), detests, for example, Disney's THE THREE CABALLEROS on a far more visceral level than most North Americans could ever think to.

As for Haider, when he was campaigning, there was a HUGE uproar in the New York media about him, partly because of the significant Jewish lobby there -- and this is NOT a halfassed racist comment about "Jewish media," if you think I'm implying that. What I'm pointing out is that New York Jews (some of my best friends, indeed! ) were commonly outraged. What I mean to point out is that people really only care about what hits them close to home. For nearly all North Americans, the country of Brasil is just "over there someplace." But for Andre, who is a journalist and seems reasonably well informed, the fact and influence of North America is a most serious business indeed, and his opinions should not be dismissed out of hand.

And Quill, the only reason I can think you consider my statements as "offensive" is on the fact I am pointing out some facts that people like you just don't wanna know. But just because you are unaware abou it, this doesn't mean it isn't happening just now...

So [speaking on the Kuato way]: opeeeeeen your miiiiiinnnnnd!!!

And it was not so much what you said, but how tactfully you delivered it. Political correctness aside, I would think someone would tread lightly when making such blatant, and negative statements. Nothing more, nothing less.

H. Rocco doesn't agree with me either, but he doesn't need to attack me on a personal level because of that. Instead, he tries to understand what I am saying through my point of view.

Where exactly did I personally attack you? If I recall, all of my statements have basically said your accusations could have been more tactfully delivered. I believe that you have the right to think and say what you want, but there should always be some temperance involved. I know you were not intending to be offensive, unfortunately it just came across that way.

We can take this conversation to email if you like, I suppose it's not really applicable any more.

I agree.

Andre, you and I have had several YEARS of relationship together, and you know that I truly care for you.
However, you spent the most of that time simply being ANAGONISTIC and FUNNY.
Very recently, you have changed your tone, and have become a new-born political commentator and satirist.
This is a side of you that we never knew before!
Excuse us, Andre...we need some time to adjust.
And YOU will need to expect entirely different responses from US, OK?

"Well Quill... your government embraces violence. So this make you responsible also, since they were elected by you people."

Andre, my friend, that statement is TOTAL BULLSHIT!
Complete ignorance!
You demonstrate to every US citizen how very IGNORANT you are when you make such completely stupid, thoughtless statements.
You are holding ME personally responsible for actions that my government has done, and you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA HOW I VOTED!
Andre, you have spoken at this very website, and you have personally DEFENDED the Clinton administration, probably the single most corrupt group of people ever to hold high office in the USA, and now you personally condemn ME for my voting record!

Excuse me...I gotta go vomit now...

...wait...it's just a stomach cramp...

NO! I GOTTA VOMIT!!!

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Originally posted by Chris Kinsinger:
Andre, my friend, that statement is [b]TOTAL BULLSHIT!
Complete ignorance!
You demonstrate to every US citizen how very IGNORANT you are when you make such completely stupid, thoughtless statements.
You are holding ME personally responsible for actions that my government has done, and you have [b]ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA HOW I VOTED!
Andre, you have spoken at this very website, and you have personally DEFENDED the Clinton administration, probably the single most corrupt group of people ever to hold high office in the USA, and now you personally condemn ME for my voting record!

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Yeah, sure. Tell that to all the people who were tortured and killed over the world in the name of "the american dream" - Brasil, Vietnam, Philipines, Nicaragua, Corea, Iraq... Should I go on??

And I think you must be insane, because I've never defended the Clinton administration since anyone who studies the USA agenda knows that, in the end, there isn't any remarkable differences between the two parties that rule your country - basically the Democrats have a slight tendency to be less conservative and militarist, but still are suported by the same wealthy and powerful people. It's like comparing a Lemon with a Lime - both are basically the same, except that one is more acid than the other.

George Bush Junior (that one you voted for) is now planning the invasion of Colombia to "free the country from the hands of the drug lords" (read: "To restore the cocaine production to those controled by the CIA").
And when your G.I.Joes start to jump to our side of the border and slowly take control of the Amazon forest (Bush ultimate agenda), killing one or two hundred simpleton brasilians "by mistake" I hope you still have something inside you to puke, my friend. You will need.

But I understand most USA citizens (which proudly like to call themselves as "americans" like if America was their private planet) live in a permanent state of dreams. I mean, your vote doesn't even count for anything, since it's the College who ultimately choses the president... I was truly amazed when I learned this! This was how they used to elect our "leaders" during the 30 years of military dictatorship here in Brasil!!! And you call it a democracy?? Ha!! And I am the IGNORANT one???

So don't wanna be my friend any longer? Well, what can I do except regret your decision. Maybe when someone of your own family get arrested, tortured and killed for doing nothing else than defend his beliefs you will start to get touched by what's going on around the world.
But I also understand this will never happen on your country. You may be shot in the head by a 12 year old making use of his "second amandment" rights, but never tortured and killed by a military gorilla trained by CIA agents... Hate me if you can, but know that I won't change my mind about things I not only know, but also experienced in the real world, not thoward one of those outrageous Hollywood movies, like "True Lies", "The Relic" or "Rules of Engagement".

Thus said, I must leave now.
I have no ilusions that my post above will make you even consider for a minute that something that I wrote may be right and you may be wrong.

To say that we (as in Americans) are all disillusioned is not a fair statement. I could say the same about you.

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Originally posted by Quill:
Please don't take this as a personal attack, but as much as Americans may believe in their state of bliss (and denial), but many parts of the world seem hell-bent on blaming the US for their problems. Being the power that the US is, that is understandable, but its not always true.

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Yes, I usually get angry when someone calls me ignorant just because cannot (or don't wanna) agree with me.

And I never said USA is the only one to be blamed, since most governments of the countries you invade or simple threaten are formed by right-winged corrupt politicians who like to sell their own coutry just to be part of the "american dream".

These are the kind of people who rules over Brasil and lots of other countries, whose main purpose is to praise the IMF and Washington, leaving the poor people on their own.

But in the end, you must remember that when the people gain conscience and tries to change things a little bit, the military gorillas take control (and who's behind them all the time???) and the rest is history. The excepion being Cuba, which still resists the USA embargo, even withou the help of Russia any longer.

Later.