Perhaps you feel that everyone prefers Revell's score over Morricone's? Thats not true. I like his music. Some of the synthisizers and organ was a little annoying, but theres was lots more that I did like.
As for Red Planet, I liked the new age approach alot, more so on CD. Those female shreks you are talking about, leads me to believe you didn't see all ofthe movie, becuae Emma Shapplin only appears once I think for about 30 sec in the movie. The songs on the soundtrack CD are songs versions of the score cues. And do not appear in the movie.

NP- 20,000 Leaugues Under the Sea (Mark Snow)

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Originally posted by André Lux:

MISSION TO MARS, althought far from a masterpiece, is a truly entertaining movie with an outstanding score.

RED PLANET is just another lame and useless remake of ALIEN with a pitiful screenplay and an annoying score. The only visceral thing about this movie was the ill at ease performances of the embarrassed cast...

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Ok well, why don't you just takes this post to the Just Movies section and don't buy the Red Planet sound track.

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Originally posted by TimT:
Yeah, M2M's score was more focused on the perpose and meaning of life I think.

Revell's score foucused on just visual effects.
So they are like totally different and could not be compared.

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Exactly my point, Tim!!
That's the difference between a genius and a hack!

And, no, I won't by the soundtrack.
Why should I? It's quite mediocre, to say the least...

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the GOLIATH sized bird munching spiders

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Do those make good pets? Andre, what's your take? I hear Morricone and Revell are collaborating on an "Invasion of the Bird Munching Spider Goliaths" film sometime in the next couple years. Intriguing... droning organs, anyone?

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Originally posted by TimT:
But we do not know, what the directors intended for either of these films. So we can not make an intelligent argument here.

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Well I'll try to explain to you them since you didn't dig it yet:

- Brian DePalma knew he had a bad screenplay on his hands but probably needed some money. Them he tried to save the movie by making some great suspense scenes and hired Ennio Morricone to compose some great music which would inspire him do make it better.

- In the other hand, Antony Whatever tought it was a good idea to remake ALIEN with some digital efx and called synthesyzer king Graeme Whatelse to spank the keyboard with a cat (whose name was Emma Shapplin) because he believe that's what teenagers want this days...

Capicce?

André Lux, spider king

I've yet to see Red Planet, but I too liked Mission to Mars even though it was really slow and draggy. But the last 20 minutes make the film worthwhile and Morricone's masterpiece score that in all honesty should've gotten an Oscar nomination instead of Malena, eventhough it's a wonderful score itself.

The only scores he did which can be considered above the line of mediocrity are THE SAINT and THE CROW.

I love Morricone's Mission to Mars score...as an album. But it helped make a horrendously pompous and laughable movie more pompous and more laughable. I saw the film at a press screening at which some of the actors (including Don Cheadle) were in attendance. The longer the film ran the more people laughed, and by the time the film's CGI alien appeared at the end to bless us all and shed a CGI tear, people were in hysterics. One of the primary instigators of the laughter was Morricone's music, which sounded like it had been piped in from another movie--a better one, probably, but one still completely at odds with DePalma's.

Red Planet is just a B movie, but in its way it's far more imaginative than Mission to Mars, which had two ideas in its hollow head: a "face on Mars" story ripped from the pages of the National Enquirer, and a blow-by-blow remake of Close Encounters of the Third Kind (with visuals ripped off from 2001).

As far as screenplays go...

"They're us...we're them..." The most laughable moment in a film from recent memory.

In the end, Revell's score worked with his film...Morricone missed the boat on several key scenes.

It amazes me how we can segue back to this topic so easily...Morricone=GOD, anyone who uses a synthesizer=useless hack.

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Originally posted by Quill:

It amazes me how we can segue back to this topic so easily...Morricone=GOD, anyone who uses a synthesizer=useless hack.

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Red Planet may have been a "useless remake of Alien" but MTM was a DePalma rip off of 2001 and Kubrick in general.

And don't get me started on the science of the film...

I liked Mission to Mars, film and score, better than Red Planet. Even though Mission to Mars was cheesy, I did love the finale (Sinise flashing back to all of his friends) and the glorious music which gave it emotion.

Red Planet was completely forgettable to me, though I found the scene in the middle of the movie where they ran out of air to be very gripping. Revell wasn't really given the chance to shine like Morricone was in M2M, and his best piece only showed up for a few seconds during the lackluster ending.

For me, I'm more entertained by emotion, and that's why Mission to Mars appealed to me more. Those 4 moving minutes at the end of the film contained more emotion than Red Planet had during its running time.

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Originally posted by JeffBond:
Geez, this is becoming an addiction, but I just can't seem to pass by an Andre Lux opinion without laughing and commenting on it.

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Hehehehehe...
Geez, this kind of rancorous remarks are really amusing!
Specially from the guy who wrote that "Starship Troopers is a genius movie" (yeah, yeah... I know. He was the only one witty enough to "dig" all the movie's brilliant "subtexts").
After that nothing he writes can make me laugh more!!!
So, please, keep it coming mr. Bond!
Your ludicrous attacks make me feel quite cool...

Quill, I have nothing against synthesyzers. I love John Carpenter, you know... go figure!!

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Originally posted by H Rocco:
Andre: you can't get away with that "Brasilian girls are ugly" thing! I've seen a picture of your WIFE, remember!?!? You just don't want us finding OUT!

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Please, just don't show it to that JeffBond figure or he will hate me even more!!!

As for M2M you guys still didn't understand my point: yes, it's cheesy, it's weak, it's ludicrous at times... but I still dig it. Like I said, there are some scenes which makes it worth of a little respect, plus it brought that beautiful score courtesy of Ennio Morricone...

Well Quill, answering your question for the eleventh time:

1) Because GLADIATOR and STARSHIP TROOPER are not only cheesy, weak and ludicrous movies, but also incredible stupid, boring and annoying. Also, both movies praise the fascist agenda - something I dispise.

2) MISSION TO MARS feature an incredible, gorgeous, original score by Ennio Morricone - which is a reason alone for one dig the movie - while GLADIATOR have that awful, nasty, unoriginal noise "composed" by the almost bald thief Huin Zinnzer. As for STARSHIP, Poledouris' uninspired militarist score matches the on-screen nonsense and general hysteria. Give me CONAN, QUIGLEY or BLUE LAGOON anytime instead of that.

But I understand that's exactly what makes some people love it so much. I don't.

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Stupid...boring...annoying...yep, that just about sums up Mission to Mars thing.

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Well, that's your opinion of course. I don't agree with and found it quite pathetic but I respect your right to state it. You obviously missed the point of the movie...

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Obviously you missed the underlying joke of Starship Troopers...it was actually making fun of the "fascist agenda." Besides that is a pretty pathetic reason for disliking a film.

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Nah... I didn't missed.
Verhoeven TRIED to make fun of it (like he did so well on ROBOCOP and SHOWGIRLS), but wasn't able to achieve it, particulary because of that horrendous cast and ridiculous screenplay he had to work with - the same thing happened again in HOLLOW MAN. I can't admire movies for what they TRIED to achieve. Sorry...

The only real funny thing about STARSHIP TROOPERS (aka MELROSE IN SPACE) is the fact that Verhoeven traced an obvious parallel between the Nazi agenda and USA militarism (as Verhoeven himself explained on interviews), which most americans seemed to miss, otherwise the movie would never be praised by you people...

Andre, I take our conversations in good fun. I know that your remarks were not intended for any of us here in particular, but they have no place on this board none the less. I do not tout American ideals in any forum, nor do I slander any other nation's either.

Well, we've taken a giant discourse here...in the end, neither movie was stellar. But maybe its just that I'm a fascist militant, and plain don't get it!

I only said that I find it amusing to see you people praising such crappy movie which its main purpose is to mock your own country by calling you nazis.

Read my last post again and you'll understand it.

Andre is a man of fine taste, but his hatred of most things American has blinded him in this regard. The movie is making fun of concepts of world government, fascism and nazism, none of which the US advocates.

to me, this is so blazingly obvious, it's unreal.

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I may be mistaken, but Starship Poopers involves a single world government, where citizenship is granted only upon active military service.

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JJ, you are not mistaken. In fact you just summed up what the "American Dream" trully means (at least for those on the Pentagon and Wall Street)...

Wise guy, this Verhoeven!
Better luck to him on his next project...

STARSHIP TROOPERS appears to portray an Earth that's more or less unified, where matters of race and gender no longer matter, not least because EVERYONE has to band together in the face of this overwhelming threat. I liked that aspect of it enormously, and ALSO the fact that it isn't the sugar-coated vision we see in the later versions of STAR TREK. As over-amped as much of Verhoeven's direction is (and I like it for that reason), it is STILL a more realistic vision of what the world might be like than any given episode of THE NEXT GENERATION (I know, that's mostly on alien planets and in space, but the TREK spinoffs have always vexed me.)

Just think a minute: what would happen to the world if the nazis had won the WWII?
Probably what we see on STARSHIP TROOPERS. An "united" world, ruled by a Military-Fascist State, where to be a true citizen you must be part of the army, otherwise you are scum.

Isn't it obvious what Verhoeven was trying to do? Yes, he was trying to mock the nazis, but besides that he wants to convince us that USA is much like the nazis with their perpetual praise of the military!

Just look at the future "united" world of STARSHIP TROOPERS: everybody speaks english, even in Buenos Aires (!!!) - not to mention that almost all characters in the movie are young, pretty, wealth and brain-washed... Isn't it the dream of the new "globalization" agenda (euphemism for "fascism") coming true??

Do I need to say more???
Sorry, but you guys need to see the movie with different eyes to understand what's going on... Of course, you will say that this is paranoia or whatever, but it was Paul Verhoeven HIMSELF who said all this on interviews. Even JeffBond, the cocky who said this movie is "genius", admitted that! (aparently you can hear him saying all that on this new DVD comentary track).

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Isn't it the dream of the new "globalization" agenda (euphemism for "fascism") coming true??

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globalization is happening. I don't think the US government likes it all that much, and has a history of that.

For instance, Woodrow Wilson tried to start the League of Nations after WWI. the US Congress fought against it, and did not join. Soon after the League of Nations folded. It took a Japanese surprise attack to get us into WWII. For some reason, we joined the UN.
US dues used to account for 25% of the UN budget! now it only accounts for 22%.
The UN would be nothing without the US holding it together, and I can foresee a time when the US backs out altogether.

The UN has tried to start this World Court thing, wherein they could eventually send troops into any country anywhere without any reason.

I think people have to see Starship Troopers as a mockery of that type of eventuality.
Is it really unrealistic to think that a single world government would force a single language? or force people into 2 choices: join the military and live a good life, or follow your dreams but suffer without social benefits. a very scary notion.