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TimT Oscar® Winner	Is the 28min CD of Robocop 3 a good representation of the full score? I've never seen the movie, but the music on CD is pretty good. I wonder if the 28 min runtime is just all the good parts of the full score or is there like a handful of outstanding unreleased cues?
posted 02-23-2001 08:28 PM PT (US)

El Cid Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by TimT: Is the 28min CD of Robocop 3 a good representation of the full score? I've never seen the movie, but the music on CD is pretty good. I wonder if the 28 min runtime is just all the good parts of the full score or is there like a handful of outstanding unreleased cues? Robo 3 is not worth your time, in my opinion. Get Robo 1 if you need a Robo score.
posted 02-23-2001 11:35 PM PT (US)

new york islanders Oscar® Winner	Silence El Cid, Robocop 3 is definetly a good score and I like it better than Robocop in someways. It's different in tone and has more developed themes and the Varese CD is only scratching the surface. There is a ton of action material missing which sadly includes the oriental stuff that he'd written for Ottmo which is really cool.
posted 02-23-2001 11:43 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	I think ROBOCOP 3 is a very fine companion to the original, even if the album is too damn short.
posted 02-23-2001 11:56 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	I have to agree. there are couple good, majestic themes in there that warrant a search for this score. did Varese also release the first Robocop score? is that one along the same lines as 3? incidentally, Robocop 2 is a bit of a guilty pleasure... NP -- muzyka filmowa 2, Kilar
posted 02-24-2001 12:08 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	I'll be watching the first Robocop film for the first time today. I'm looking forward to hearing the score. quote: Originally posted by JJH: incidentally, Robocop 2 is a bit of a guilty pleasure... NP: Robocop 2 (Leonard Rosenman) - I don't feel any guilt ; aside from the annoying chorus, the score is fine
posted 02-24-2001 05:47 AM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	JJ, surely you know that Robo 1 was released on Varese?! Marian, Robocop is Verhoeven's best film, I don't think ANY of his other efforts match this, it always struck me that this was the first time where I saw how a Superhero style film could be handled properly, or at least in my Marvel Comic'ised view of how these things should be handled! Basil's great score fits this film like a glove. NP : Flying In A Blue Dream - Joe Satriani
posted 02-24-2001 07:40 AM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	JJ, surely you know that Robo 1 was released on Varese?! Marian, Robocop is Verhoeven's best film, I don't think ANY of his other efforts match this, it always struck me that this was the first time where I saw how a Superhero style film could be handled properly, or at least in my Marvel Comic'ised view of how these things should be handled! Basil's great score fits this film like a glove. NP : Flying In A Blue Dream - Joe Satriani
posted 02-24-2001 07:42 AM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	JJ, surely you know that Robo 1 was released on Varese?! Marian, Robocop is Verhoeven's best film, I don't think ANY of his other efforts match this, it always struck me that this was the first time where I saw how a Superhero style film could be handled properly, or at least in my Marvel Comic'ised view of how these things should be handled! Basil's great score fits this film like a glove. NP : Flying In A Blue Dream - Joe Satriani
posted 02-24-2001 07:43 AM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	Do'h!
posted 02-24-2001 07:59 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Oscar® Winner	I think JJH got the point Timmer.
posted 02-24-2001 09:18 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Oscar® Winner	Oh by the way even though it is a short album I think it is worth having. NP: Chicken Run ***/***
posted 02-24-2001 09:34 AM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	In, fact, I got it 3 times! NP -- Personal Poledouris compilation. even though I made it, there are some sequencing decisions that are not very good.
posted 02-24-2001 09:58 AM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Yes, ROBOCOP 3 is a very good score and no, the Varese album is not good. 28 minutes? You gotta be kiding!! And the most anoying thing is that they left out some of the best cues, like the car chase at the begining... Really unexcusable!
posted 02-24-2001 11:34 AM PT (US)

new york islanders Oscar® Winner	Come on Andre', cut Varese some slack. At least it's not unreleased and then everyone will start bitching and moaning. I'll take 29 minutes (it's not 28) and milk it for all it worth.
posted 02-24-2001 12:21 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	Originally posted by new york islanders: quote: I'll take 29 minutes (it's not 28) and milk it for all it worth. You must have the expanded version. Mine runs 28:33 and that includes the 2 sec gaps between tracks. More power to Varese for at least releasing what they could. I was just curious as to what was missing. However sometimes....while bother Untamed Hearts is 26 min and that includeds one song. [Message edited by TimT on 02-24-2001]
posted 02-24-2001 02:30 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	As I think the Timchanter implied above, Varese released the original ROBOCOP, which was longer than either of the sequel albums because it was the only one recorded in London.
posted 02-24-2001 02:39 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by TimT: You must have the expanded version. That's silly, Tim. Danny was just rounding up. Why waste time typing 28:33 when you can type 29 instead? Jeron
posted 02-24-2001 04:47 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	Well, the more I dwell on it, the more I blame the musicians instead of Varese for the short releases. Overseas musicians seem to do just fine (except for the Hungarians and maybe those folks in Munich.) I think Hollywood orchestras will price themselves right out of work.
posted 02-24-2001 05:59 PM PT (US)

new york islanders Oscar® Winner	Jonathan you've hit it right on the head. That's why you saw these scores recorded in places like London and Seattle year. Here's a list of scores released and recorded last year and you'll see why we got really long releases: London Hollow Man Unbreakable Gladiator Chicken Run Bless the Child The Road To El Dorado Shanghai Noon Autumn In New York The Cell The Yards Thirteen Days Seattle The Sixth Day The Watcher Highlander:End Game Battlefield Earth Keeping The Faith The Gift Munich and other European Parts Urban Legends Final Cut Lost Souls Running Free Malena Vatel Australia Dungeons and Dragons N.Y. Lucky Numbers Hamlet 2000 L.A. X-Men What Lies Beneath Castaway What Women Want Frequency Titan A.E. The Patriot The Replacements Gone In 60 Seconds Wonder Boys The Big Kahuna The Perfect Storm Whole Nine Yards Scream 3 The Skulls Space Cowboys The Klumps:Nutty Professor 2 Family Man The Grinch Who Stole Christmas Bedazzled Proof of Life The Kid i'd say bout most of these got score releases and there a few notables that didn't mostly because of reuse fees which sucks!
posted 02-24-2001 11:15 PM PT (US)

SBD Oscar® Winner	new york, don't forget David Kitay's SCARY MOVIE, if you want to count the Northwest Sinfonia as Seattle. Where exactly are they located?
posted 02-25-2001 12:13 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	He also forgot On the Beach which recorded in Austraila.
posted 02-25-2001 12:53 PM PT (US)

new york islanders Oscar® Winner	How can i forget those you're right Tim. The Northwest Sinfonia is acutally the Seattle Symphony, but it doesn't matter since they really do a heck of a job performing scores. If you've heard most of John Ottman's work, The Watcher, Switchback, Keeping the Faith, you know what i mean.
posted 02-25-2001 03:02 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by new york islanders: Come on Andre', cut Varese some slack. At least it's not unreleased and then everyone will start bitching and moaning. I'll take 29 minutes (it's not 28) and milk it for all it worth. Sorry, but I can't cut Varese some "slack". Specially when I have to pay for a lame 28 minutes (oh, sorry... 28:33m) release the same amount of money which I pay for a 78 minutes one... I just find laughable this "you should be thankful to us!!" kind of argument people from Varése Sarabande use to release all this lame score albums. They should thank us, their customers, for buying their albums not the contrary. Does Maddona says to her fans they should thank her for releasing a new album? Don't think so... I will applaud them everytime they put togheter a decent release. But won't cut some slack while they insist on these 28 minutes albums. They are doing business, not charity you know... If you wanna go ahead with this nonsense and thank them for making you spend money with something which doesn't worth it, go ahead. It's your right. But don't try to force me to do the same, ok?? Just my two cents. Feel free to flame me now... N.P.: TOTAL RECALL (Expanded) Jerry Goldsmith (what should I do with the first 45 minutes lame release of this score?? Maybe ask for a refund?)
posted 02-25-2001 09:28 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by André Lux: Sorry, but I can't cut Varese some "slack". Specially when I have to pay for a lame 28 minutes (oh, sorry... 28:33m) release the same amount of money which I pay for a 78 minutes one... So you prefer a decent release or nothing at all right?
posted 02-25-2001 10:04 PM PT (US)

André Lux Oscar® Winner	Yes, because at one point someone will release a decent album of it. Just think on how much money we are forced to spend on score like KRULL (3 releases!), SUPERMAN (4 releases!), TOMORROW NEVER DIES (2), RAMBO II (2), TOTAL RECALL, etc, etc... Of course, some of these scores are expanded versions of the old LP format. But now they just don't have any excuses at all... [Message edited by André Lux on 02-25-2001]
posted 02-25-2001 11:18 PM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Oscar® Winner	Well, Robert Townson has said that instead of releasing too many more thirty minute albums, they're releasing less albums a year. Ah well...
posted 02-26-2001 08:46 AM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	Well I'd rather have something rather than nothing, especially when I like the score. Actually I wouldn't buy a score under 20 min. Its just not worth $19.
posted 02-26-2001 09:11 AM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Who in the HECK spends $19 a CD?? WHERE do you guys shop?! I pay $14-$16 MAX (including tax) per CD. That's ludicrous...
posted 02-26-2001 10:14 AM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	Around here in Chula Vista $19 is the standard price for a score CD. A song-soundtrack CD however is only $13. Perhaps they just don't like me. NP- Second Jungle Book (John Scott) [Message edited by TimT on 02-26-2001]
posted 02-26-2001 10:18 AM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	Lucky man Jeron, here in the 'good ol' U.K. brand new CD releases are between £13.99 - £15.99, that's about $20 - $25 (I think?) Viva la British rip off's....NOT!!
posted 02-26-2001 10:40 AM PT (US)

Scott Oscar® Winner	I'm with TimT on this one. I rather have just a few minutes of a score I like than nothing at all. Anyways, no one really forces us to buy anything. Scott
posted 02-26-2001 10:58 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Austrian CD prices are about $15, but they were the same in Austrian Shillings a couple of years ago when the dollar value was still about $25. NP: Anton Bruckner: Symphony #8 (Münchner Philharmoniker, Sergiu Celibidache) - This particular 2CD set I bought today for the good price of $27.
posted 02-26-2001 03:25 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	The last CD I purchased in a brick and mortar store was Chicken Run. I found it first in Record Town at the mall for only $19.99(!). Then I went to Borders and picked it up for $16.99. Oh, and one more thing, Maine sucks. High prices, low wages -- You get the picture. NP: Ransom by Jerry (purchased via the Net for $15.18) [Message edited by jonathan_little on 02-26-2001]
posted 02-26-2001 03:41 PM PT (US)

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