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Topic: "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within" - Elliot Goldenthal

Crono/Kyp

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Jeron, I don't want any crap from you
Now, people, does anyone have any info on the soundtrack release? I would assume Sony Classical and I have been digging around but can't find any info.
Oh, and if you have read the review at Ant It Cool News, don't listen to it because the guy if full of crap, the film is going to be COOL.
--Brian
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JJH

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can I give you crap?
NP -- Superman, expanded from Rhinoposted 02-21-2001 11:24 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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No, no one can
--Brian
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JJH

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please?
posted 02-21-2001 11:34 AM PT (US) 
John Dunham

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I hated Goldenthal's Sphere, so at first I thought "this guy can't do Final Fantasy! He'll ruin it!"
Then I got Interview With The Vampire. You never saw someone change their mind so fast! I'm looking forward to what is sure to be an enjoyable score from Mr. Goldenthal for what is likewise sure to be an enjoyable film.NP: Unbreakable, JNH, ****½
posted 02-21-2001 12:04 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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No JJH
I am trying to get a hold of Michael Collins, I hear its great.
I did not like Sphere myself.
--Brian
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Scott

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The guy said please.Good to see you hear buddy.
Scottyposted 02-21-2001 12:14 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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I said NO!
Only certain people can bug me about it. But they have to be exposed to FF first ::insert funny evil laugh here::--Brian
Writer & Film/Video Editorposted 02-21-2001 12:15 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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I love Sphere!
I'll certainly get Final Fantasy.
posted 02-21-2001 01:59 PM PT (US) 
DeadPoet
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Bri, can I?--Jason S.
posted 02-21-2001 02:27 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Sorry Dead Poet
--Bri
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DeadPoet
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Damn.--Jason S.
posted 02-21-2001 03:09 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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wait,I HAVE been exposed to Final Fantasy. I got FF7 on year for Christmas, and played almost evry day for like 6 months. There's so much to do in that stinkin' game, it's unreal.
the score was pretty darned good, I must say.
not a MUST have, but I certainly enjoyed it nonetheless.so, now I CAN buy you about it Kyp.
let the kidding commence!
BTW -- Michael Collins is pretty darned good, but I like Interview With the Vampire and Cobb much more.
viva la Elliot!
NP -- King Kong, Steinerposted 02-21-2001 04:06 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Well if you put it that way....FF VII is good, very good, but IX is better, check that out. It's great!
--Brian
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Al

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I've rented a Final Fantasy game or two and played them, but, even though the plots are clever, I never really got into them. I believe I've played maybe a total of 3 hours on all of them.I'm looking forward to this upcoming Final Fantasy movie, because it should contain the elements I found enjoyable in the games--a clever and developed plot, great visuals, and if Goldenthal takes the project seriously, perhaps the best music written for the FF genre.
Also, unlike these games, I'll be able to see how it ends and won't have to play the damn thing.
Bring it on, Goldenthal!
posted 02-21-2001 05:20 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by Al:
I'm looking forward to this upcoming Final Fantasy movie, because it should contain the elements I found enjoyable in the games--a clever and developed plot, great visuals,I'm not so sure about that. I fear projects like this easily focus mainly on the gaming aspect of the original - use as many spells and as many different weapons everybody knows from the games etc. This can make a film really ridiculous.
NP: Anton Bruckner: Symphony #7 (Münchner Philharmoniker, Sergiu Celibidache)
posted 02-21-2001 05:36 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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I assure you, Marian - I doubt there will be much "spell usage" going on in this film. Also, spells and weapons only add extra spice to the game. It's not what makes it. Don't be so sad faced. It's gonna be a great movie.Jeron
posted 02-21-2001 07:16 PM PT (US) 
new york islanders

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Goldenthal will definetly do a great job with this one. The producers and Sony couldn't have picked him without at least a big vote of confidence. I really liked Sphere alot and the album does this score absoluetly no justice at all. And I'll explain why. The Varese album, is only 50% of the score which was recorded here in New York under the director (conducted) of Steve Mercurio. But when the film was delayed, Goldenthal and company had to pack up and record the rest of the score in San Fransisco, this time it was conducted by Jonathan Sheffer. So the reuse fees would start at zero for each of them. Now what would happen if you released a score album bout say 70 minutes long with two different union orchestras? Bankrupcy!1! So I'd say Varese did the smart thing in releasing a decent album with all the major themes without really breaking the bank.Hey Crono/Kry, I've seen copies of Michael Collins floating around here. Let me know and I'll look for a copy for you.
posted 02-21-2001 09:22 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Thanks New York, but I know where I can get one, I just don't want to pay 17.99 plus fax for it
My best friend's boyfriend works at the CD store and I need to have him get it for me (he can get it for 14 bucks)But thanks for the offer.
--Brian
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JJH

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Sphere's pretty cool.I like the opening trumpet fanfare played by the venerable Phil Smith, principal trumpet of the New York Philharmonic.
NP -- just the radio
posted 02-21-2001 10:10 PM PT (US) 
Al

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Despite its representation on the album, Sphere is a brilliant score when matched perfectly with the images on screen.The "Unknown Event" cue, however noisy, is a great example of Goldenthal's genius. But in order to appreciate it, it must be seen with the visuals. In a way, the cue functions as both music and sound effects for the scene.
My point?
I find this cue to be one of the best examples from the 90s of music fitting flawlessly with a film's visuals. If Goldenthal takes the Final Fantasy project seriously, he can achieve this again, and with the visuals of Final Fantasy being even more imaginative than those in Sphere, he may also compose something even more creative.
posted 02-21-2001 10:48 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by Jeron:
I assure you, Marian - I doubt there will be much "spell usage" going on in this film. Also, spells and weapons only add extra spice to the game. It's not what makes it. Don't be so sad faced. It's gonna be a great movie.Hm. I've seen parts of Records of Lodoss War and it seemed to me just what I described above (it's reportedly based on a Japanese role playing game): Interesting from a role playing game point of view, but stupid as a film/series.
I should mention that I'm not to keen on the Final Fantasy genre. I like good fantasy, but Final has such a strange twist on the genre.
Anyway, I think the genre should inspire Goldenthal to write a really great score.

posted 02-22-2001 07:11 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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He better. Or the war is on.--Brian
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Drixorial
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I can't wait for this score!! I was little dissapointed(understatement of the year!!) when I learned that this Elliot Goldenthal guy(whoever that is!) was assigned to score the movie and not long time FF vet Nobuo Uematsu.But with 4 purchased Elliot Goldenthal scores under my belt I have to say, the guy is a frickin genius! It may be 'noise' but damn is it flawlessly composed.
Tracks like Finale from Titus,(which is the finest 8 min that I've ever heard from Goldenthal) Lento from Alien³, Funeral - Coda from Michael Collins and Libera Me from Interview with a Vampire not only blew me away but have now put aside any doubts and feelings of dissapointment that I once had. Film and score, this is my most anticipated movie of the year.NP: Michael Collins - Elliot Goldenthal (see what you people make me dO!!)

[Message edited by Drixorial on 02-24-2001]
posted 02-24-2001 04:53 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Oh stop it, your making me look bad.
http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/005385.html
--Brian
Writer & Film/Video EditorNP: Alien 3: Elliot Goldenthal
posted 02-24-2001 02:29 PM PT (US) 
Probable

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I believe that I should be qualified to dish out some crap. Here are some of my reasons:- I have heard a lot of Goldenthal's work and while I greatly enjoy some of it, I also greatly dislike some of it. While would not say I am an 'expert' on his music, I would say I am knowledgeable about it.
- I have played every Final Fantasy game ever made(at least the english releases), and I have played them THOROUGHLY(finished each at least thrice, most more). I also play a lot of other RPGs and I have many informed and considered opinions about RPGs in general and the FF series in particular. On this topic, I would consider myself an expert. BTW, while FFVII was great and FFXI is, indeed, fantastic, I would have to say that I think that FFIII(released as XI in the excited states) is still the best FF game, and probably the best RPG ever.- I own every Nobuo Uematsu video game score every released(as near as I can determine) and am VERY familiar with the music of the Final Fantasy series in particular(I don't find the Chrono series' music as good). I also consider myself an expert on this.
So, yeah, I want to dish out some crap. If nothing else, surely, Brian, we can discuss(or argue about) Final Fantasy for a while?

posted 02-24-2001 11:54 PM PT (US) 
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Oh, and, Al? While Goldenthal is good, and I'm not contesting that, he's going to have to put something phenomenal together for it to be the 'best score in the FF genre.' Uematsu is a genius.
posted 02-24-2001 11:58 PM PT (US) 
Observer
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I'm too lazy to finish FF7 or FF8.
I'd like to say I was caught up playing Marvel vs. Capcom 2 or trying to finish Resident Evil: Code Veronica on my Dreamcast, but I know that I am a procastinating fool. (There seems to be a curse with me and RPG and games like Resident Evil, I can never finish them. blech)To get to the topic at hand, I've only heard little of Goldsmith's work (Titus was absolutely brilliant and In Dreams was interesting, a very nice theme although I think the varied instruments may have detracted in that case). Has Nobuo Uematsu scored any movies? I'd think that if Square was going to hire a composer for thier first outing in the world of cinema, they'd hire someone who'd been in the business for a while (and I'm not bashing Uematsu, FF7 was a beautiful score, but I don't know if he's had any experience in scoring films, so please excuse my immeanse ignorance
).Titus has pretty much cemented my opinion that Goldenthal will produce a fine score. Though it's a safe bet to say that it will be fairly different from what Uematsu has done ("Thank you Mr. Obvious!" replies everyone. "Your Welcome! Restating what's already common knowledge, Mr. Obvious away!" I shout out as I fly away.) The plot about soul chomping aliens, soldiers and bizarre landscapes is suited for Goldenthal.
posted 02-25-2001 01:02 AM PT (US) 
Scott

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quote:
Originally posted by Observer:
To get to the topic at hand, I've only heard little of Goldsmith's work (Titus was absolutely brilliant and In Dreams was interesting, a very nice theme although I think the varied instruments may have detracted in that case).
Dang, never knew Goldsmith did those.Scotty
posted 02-25-2001 01:12 AM PT (US) 
Observer
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D'oh!!!!I meant to say Goldenthal.
DAMMIT!!!!!!!!
Please exuse me while I bash my empty head against a brick wall for commiting such a dumbass mistake.
Goldsmith...
Goldenthal...
How could I have mixed those up?DAMMIIT!!!!
Arrggh!
Hulk SMASH!!!
Wait...Hulk go over to "'Nother ? for Peterk" and SMASH![Message edited by Observer on 02-25-2001]
posted 02-25-2001 01:50 AM PT (US) 
Scott

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Hmmmm...I hear Excedrin.
Scottposted 02-25-2001 03:24 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Or you might try NyQuil... works for Scott. Knocks him out like... well, like a dead man.Jeron
posted 02-25-2001 10:41 AM PT (US) 
Scott

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Hahaha...sure does.Scott
posted 02-25-2001 12:08 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Probable, the music for Chrono Trigger and Cross was done by different composer, and Cross is the best game OST of 2000 (IMHO). Uematsu just helped out on the theme I think.--Brian
Writer & Film/Video EditorNP: Family Man Danny Elfman (****)
posted 02-25-2001 12:25 PM PT (US) 
Probable

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You'd put the Cross OST above the FFIX OST? Interesting...I can see why you might, but personally I disagree. As to composing, he(as far as I know) had nothing to do with Cross, but he collaborated with Yasunori Mitsuda and Noriko Matsueda on Trigger.
posted 02-25-2001 10:50 PM PT (US) 
Drixorial
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I personally thought that FFIX was the better soundtrack. The AMAZING thematic material that Uematsu used in that game was worlds above that of Mitsuda's Chrono Cross. I could identify 3 Main themes(Melodies of Life, Romance Theme and FU-RA - SA-TO, Sacred Beginning first heard in Disc 1 track 1) not counting the character ones and each one was a joy to hear everytime they came up and that was quite often thoughout the game! Definitly one of Uematsu's best.As for Chrono Cross, I rather enjoyed it but thought it was rather overrated. Aside from a couple of great tracks, I thought the rest of the score was rather mediorce. I'll take Uematsu's amazing thematic material any day over Mitsuda's overblown and hyped 'real instrumentation'.
oh well different strokes for different folks I guess.
NP: Dangerous Beauty - George Fenton
[Message edited by Drixorial on 02-26-2001]
posted 02-26-2001 03:18 AM PT (US) 
Probable

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While I agree with you in general, Drixorial, I do think you're selling CC a bit short. FFIX was the better soundtrack(IMHO), but I wouldn't say that CC was overrated or a weak soundtrack by any means.More on this later, colleges aren't fond of tardiness
posted 02-26-2001 06:45 AM PT (US) 
Sean Bires

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I haven't been on these forums for years. wow... anyway, I thought Elliot Goldenthal was going to orchestrate some video game music! But oh well, turned out to be that dumbass-looking movie, with all that generic sci-fi sh-t. Where's the chocobo's? hehe. It just seems like the FF license was used for this whatever movie, seeing [through the trailer] that it doesn't seem to have any connections to the FF world. Reminds me of Starcraft cutscenes. Anyway, as everyone else mentioned, I'd like to see what Goldenthal'll come up with for this movie. I just watched his Interview of the Vampire and the soundtrack was as great as the film.anyway, Sphere OST = raw. People don't appreciate experimental stuff enough. The music works really well with the images from the film in mind, as Al mentioned.
Chrono Cross game = generic. Wow, it's so generic Squaresoft. They haven't done anything original, gameplay and story-wise, since FF:Tactics (well, not gameplay wise... it's Ogre Battle for SNES! hehe... story was great though, more important party member deaths and betrails than FF7 [all one of them]!). Plus, the badly translated dialoge is always amusing.
I'll have to go with Probable with this one... the soundtrack (C-cross) wasn't horrifically interesting either... wasn't bad at all, but wasn't special save a track or two.
And people tend to forget how good FF7 was. Generic Squaresoft at is best, hehe. I'm kinda straying away from FF9... everybody tells me it's the pretty generic/predictable stuff that you'd expect from Squaresoft nowadays. + the characters look fruity, I can't possibly take them seriously

Marian Schedenig mentioned something of Record of Lodoss War. It's some old-school anime (and a movie, Legend of Crystania maybe?) that was recently re-animated into a new series called... well, it has the same damned name except for the subtitle "Record of Lodoss War: Something or other Heroic Knight". I saw it, it's not horribly interesting. The older series is entertaining to watch, since it is very high budget stuff for its time period (like Bubblegum Crisis, the 80's one. The new one isn't bad either, check it)
-Sean Bires
"ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US !!" (you'll want to click on that link)posted 02-26-2001 12:52 PM PT (US) 
Probable

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First of all, if you can honestly refer to the FF movie trailer as 'dumbass-looking generic sci-fi sh-t,' then you obviously have no appreciation for SF in general, and not even the most basic understanding of CG animation. I'd like to underline that last part after you compared it to Starcraft cutscenes. Ignorance does not justify criticism.I think it's a shame to dismiss things ot of hand on the basis that they are 'generic Squaresoft.' I'd take a so-called 'generic Squaresoft' game, game OST, or game-to-movie adaptation any day over any 'generic' game, game OST, or adaptation by any other company. Besides, you're allowing for an awful lot of variance within a 'generic' heading.
I think I'm going to go and watch a generic David Fincher film, and then maybe I'll listen to a generic Pink Floyd song, or check out some generic sci-fi sh-t like Dark City or some other dumbass-looking movie.
Oh, and lastly, please don't pluralize using apostrophes. Thanks in advance!

posted 02-26-2001 03:23 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Thank You!--Brian
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