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    Topic:   Is Camille Paglia 'for the birds'?

     Lou Goldberg
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    I just finished reading Camille Paglia's book on Hitchcock's The Birds, part of the BFI classics series of books on individual films.

    Camille mentions Bernard Herrmann, Remi Gassmann, Oskar Sala, and the Trautonium, but she never addresses the issue of whether The Birds would work better with a conventional score or not. I e-mailed her to ask her that question, but who knows if I'll get a reply. Obviously, Paglia is atuned to film music, her last monthly column for salon.com mentions Elmer Bernstein. Still, I suspect that she is on the like-the-film-as-it-is side of the question.

    Paglia also mentions a book I am unfamiliar with, Elizabeth Weis's The Silent Scream: Alfred Hitchcock's Sound Track, a book which deals with the use of sound in Hitchcock and which I presume talks in detail about the scores for Hitchcock films.

    Paglia has a hawks' eye view of every detail of this film. She has really done her research and seems to know all Hitchcock films like the back of her hand. Her interpretations of details, what they refer to in other Hitchcock films and in the wider culture at large is just amazing. She pulled things out from The Birds that just flew over my head. And because she is her maverick self, there are some wonderful asides, jokes, and personal insights that a dryer tome would obviously avoid, making this a delightful read as well as an informative one.

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    posted 02-17-2001 10:54 PM PT (US)     

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    I haven't read it. But I just read some reviews of THE BIRDS at amazon.com. One person thinks the lack of music makes it scarier. Another person begrudges the lengthiness of the psycho-sexual characterological exposition of the troika consisting of Rod, Tippi, & Suzanne. Another person thinks that Jessica Tandy essayed her role like a flaming ham.

    What kind of obese creep is sick enough to procure a tiny toy coffin, stick a Tippi-lookalike Barbie-doll inside it, and give it to Tippi's little daughter? What kind of 300-pound creep is sick enough to sexually proposition Tippi? Your man Hitchcock. A great entertainer and a wonderful piece of human garbage.

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    posted 02-19-2001 02:11 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    Laz--I agree with you about Hitch being a rather sick guy at times. But in regards to the pine box incident, Hitch presented a Tippi Hedren with a doll in her likeness in a wooden case that Melanie Griffith took to be her mother in a coffin. This was not Hitch's intention and he was rather upset that she reacted that way.

    Hitch propositioning Hedren is old hat in Hollywood. Hitch wasn't the first or last director to get hot over his actresses. But Hitch got the order wrong. You proposition the girl before you give her the part. That way, if she wants it, she'll give in, if not, you find somebody else. Hitch propositioned Tippi after one film made her a public figure and he was in the middle of shooting another film that couldn't be stopped if she said no. Hitch just had no understanding of sexual politics and despite being a major director didn't know how to use his power to get laid. I consider him sad. He gave Tippi a career, why didn't she put out? How ungrateful. But there are so many other incidents involving Hitch and cruelty towards people that I have to agree with your basic remark. For what he did to Herrmann, he deserves that his last films were Torn Curtain, Topaz, Frenzy, and Family Plot.

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    posted 02-20-2001 09:42 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    This is the way Hitchcock biographer Donald Spoto thought of it: Hitch preferred to obsess over women he COULDN'T have, e.g. Ingrid Bergman and Grace Kelly, and later, Vera Miles ("she married one of the Tarzans, you know," Hitchcock sniffed after she became pregnant), and also Claire somebody (not Claire Bloom), the wife of Sydney Pollack at the time (perhaps still? I don't know).

    Spoto's analysis is perhaps simplistic, but deeply sympathetic: he saw Hitchcock, correctly I suspect, as a deeply withdrawn and isolated man who "could easily have found women to fulfill him sexually," but who preferred to believe in love -- but always the love of a person who could not love him back. God knows why he was twisted that way, but his movies are redolent of this, especially those from VERTIGO onwards.

    He wanted Hedren to love him because of HIMSELF, but he also chose her because, at some level, he knew she never could.

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    posted 02-20-2001 09:57 PM PT (US)     

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    I hope, Lou, that should Paglia answer your e mail, you'll share her response. I'm curious about her thoughts. I've never been much of a fan of The Birds. I didn't find it scary, but most of all I detested Hedren's bland performance. Maybe music would have enhanced the film. It must have been love for him to cast her once again in Marnie. IMHO, another poor performance. She never did have much of an acting career.

    Maybe Hitch didn't know the proper order of sexual politics, but one can't fault Hedren's refusal. From a woman's perspective, he "ain't" exactly a stud.

    NP Guess I should put on Vertigo

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    posted 02-20-2001 10:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Oh Joan, I was being sexist and overboard for effect. Actually, Hedren was very good about keeping Hitch's advances under wraps until after his death and let him have his say about the break without a counter-claim.

    I think Rocco has it, Hitch was no stud, but could have had some of these gals just because of his position in society (another sexual politics thing). Nonetheless, he self-sabotaged himself. Masochism. Repressed homosexuality. People will be psycho-analyzing Hitch for centuries to come.

    Hedren is someone you think is wooden or wonderful--I happen to like her in both these films, but I can easily see why others might not.

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    posted 02-21-2001 03:18 AM PT (US)     

     Luscious Lazlo
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    Is there a possible link between Tippi's sexual rejection of Hitchcock and Hitchcock's rejection of Bernard Herrmann? Is it possible that a frustrated bitchy Hitch took out his anger on Herrmann? And that the Herrmann-dumping was only partially based on the MARNIE score? Did Donald Spoto say anything about this? Inquiring minds wanna know.

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    posted 02-22-2001 03:09 PM PT (US)     

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    Herrmann wasn't the only casualty of MARNIE. He also dropped his longtime cameraman Robert Burks and editor George Tomasini. I do think there's a corollary.

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    posted 02-22-2001 03:15 PM PT (US)     

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    Robert Burks died in a fire at his home (or so I recall).

    Hitch was less willing to deal with nonsense in his later years--he fired Roy Thinnes from Family Plot after a few days of shooting rather than deal with a shoot of disagreements.

    I think the casting off of associates, the increase in drinking, the poor quality of the films, MCA's lowering of Hitch's budgets, are all tied up with Hitch getting older and feeling he'd failed his life in some way.

    I don't really understand Hitch's dissatisfaction with Herrmann. They were supposed to get along personally. But they were both under strain. BH had had a divorce. Hitch had had the whole Hedren thing. Hitch didn't like the Marnie score (though he should have). Hitch didn't like BH's score to Joy in the Morning which he thought was the same old thing. He gave BH very specific instructions on Torn Curtain. BH should have gone to Hitch and said, get someone to write a song like Que Sera Sera and let me do the score. But I'm not sure TC had the budget for it. When Hitch fired BH he paid BH's salary out of his own pocket. I also think that Hitch had probably promised the record producers BH would come through and had his word on the line. Why BH didn't try to meet Hitch's orders is anyone's guess. Marnie has a main theme that someone put lyrics to. BH could have tried to write a main theme or love theme. I don't think he wanted to and thought he could get away with it. Then again, BH is hard to peg, he begged for jobs but also did things like take his name off Ambersons when the film was recut. Maybe BH thought, as an artist, this is what the film needs and if they don't think so, forget it. But he did try to meet up with Hitch again a few years later. And as I said above, Hitch declined the meeting: who needs to open all that stuff up again.

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    posted 02-22-2001 09:07 PM PT (US)     

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    I find the sexual subtext of this thread to be fascinating.
    Alfred Hitchcock was a MAN, and as such, he certainly was well aware of the "sexual politic" that permeated the film industry in his time.
    In short: he was watching everyone around him hopping in and out of bed with everyone else.
    Hitch wanted to get in on the action, in spite of the fact that (as Joan noted), "he was NO stud!"
    This is certainly the truth, but men are men. No matter what they may look like, men NEED to believe that they are attractive to the opposite sex!
    As far as we know, Hitch never succeeded in bedding down any of his gorgeous stars.
    I keep pondering on Joan's comment, "he was NO stud" (or, words to that effect, if I am perhaps mis-quoting).
    That being the case, can anyone please explain to me WHY Hugh Hefner (an ancient carcass of his former self, and a self-proclaimed VIAGARA user) can CONSTANTLY be seen with nubile 19-year-olds wrapped around each of his arms, all of whom are happy to bed the old dude in exchange for...what? Fame? I doubt it. Money? Yes, I'm sure they get some pretty good cash in the deal.
    And then there's Donald Trump.
    Are there REALLY ANY women in the world who look at Donald Trump and say,"YEAH! THAT'S WHAT I WANT IN A HUSBAND!"????
    Again...count the nubile 19 year-olds on his arm, and follow the money.

    So, what am I trying to say?

    Hitch MUST have been a penny-pincher!

    He MUST have been!

    In Hollywood, there is a NEVER-ENDING supply of women (AND men...if you prefer) who will do ANYTHING to get ahead.

    Hitch was certainly not a chick magnet, but history clearly demonstrates that MONEY IS the chick magnet that succeeds every time!

    Hitch didn't want to pay for it.

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    posted 02-22-2001 10:05 PM PT (US)     

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    Of course Hitch didn't want to pay for it. He knew very well how the world worked, and what he could have done, or not done. That's what Donald Spoto said, more or less, and also what I believe. Hitch wanted to LOVE someone -- and in the same breath INSISTED on picking women (Bergman, Kelly, Miles, Hedren) who could not love him back. Not because he was so loathsome in himself (he was supposedly very charming when he wanted to be), but because these women he fixated on were already either spoken for when he met them, or because he knew he wasn't their type to begin with. He really did do it to himself. If charity begins at home, so does kindness to oneself, and Hitch never figured out how to treat himself better. (I wish Tom Scofield were here to yell at me for oversimplifying this, but he's not.)

    As Hitch himself wrote (this could easily have been his most heartfelt words to a lover he never got to meet): "I was looking for you ... or someone you might have been." (quoted by Spoto, who cites this as among Hitchock's "most touching" additions to the script for MARY ROSE, a finally unfilmed project based on a romantic novel by James Barrie of "Peter Pan" fame -- and a movie that the studio suits knew he was tailoring for Tippi Hedren, and as a consequence didn't want him to make: as BIRDS scripter Jay Presson Allen said to Spoto, "They knew he'd just fall back into the Tippi trap.")

    There is so much to be said about Hitchcock and his conflicts, but all of it's ALREADY been said. I'm just sorry that he had to die (and live) as such an unhappy man. He was a brilliant individual who deserved better, but then, he didn't ASK for better. We do make our own beds, at the end of each given day. As did Hitch, who lived, slept, and finally died in his own, miserable, lonely place. As Spoto quotes an observer of Hitch at the very end of his life: "Leave me alone ... I ... am a sea ... of alone."

    NP: HOLLISTER (Shaun, you made me this disc ... would you kindly remind me who wrote it?)

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    posted 02-23-2001 12:32 AM PT (US)     

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    Hugh Hefner has the position he has vis-a-vis women for a number of reasons. First, he is famous and wealthy and has a respected position in culture and society. But also, he's had a near 50 year tradition of giving exposure to beautiful women, helping them to become wealthy, noticed, famous or what have you. Hefner is America's Casanova because he's the most high-profile pimp in the world. When women see that their association with Hef can lead them to be in a position to marry some guy who'll leave them $450 million, that beats a life of giving lap dances at $20 a shot. Of course he's getting laid.

    In the film Contempt directed by Jean-Luc Godard, one of the characters asks, "why is it women will strip so easily for movies but not in real life"

    I'm generalizing, but women tend to have a theatrical approach to living: make-up, fashion, melodramatic emotions, etc. And despite feminism, many women still dream of being models and actresses rather than wives or CEOs. Celebrity means fame, money, social status, and posterity. Trading sex with some guy in the position to fulfill these larger goals seems an easy price to pay for many women. Even when the larger goal can't be reached, mere association with a man of status is preffered to coupling with a Joe Schmoe of low or no status.

    Hitch was no stud--fat is not a sexual signal--but his fame, money, and ability to showcase women into their own fame put him in a position to bed a lot of women. He just let something get in the way: religious upbringing, low self-esteem, masochism. Maybe he was turned off by what he considered whoring (though it is really nature that determines why women seek out men of wealth, power and position) and wanted something else from women that actresses already in positions of fame and wealth were not going to give him when there were others they could go to. Ingrid Bergman for one had affairs with Victor Fleming and Roberto Rossellini who represented manliness or an ability to make film that she didn't see in Hitch. Hitch's best shot involved starlets like Hedren, but he mishandled his opportunities. Of course, Hedren often said that fame didn't mean that much to her, which is why she might have appealed to Hitch, but is also why he couldn't get to her--if she didn't want fame there was no leverage for a sexual trade. And Hedren wasn't going to bed old man Hitch on other grounds--she probably didn't find him attractive.

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    posted 02-23-2001 12:56 AM PT (US)     

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    We're coming at this from slightly different angles, I think, but Lou, I basically agree with you.

    NP: I believe it is music (Shaun will you PLEASE CALL ME to I.D. this?)

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    posted 02-23-2001 11:57 AM PT (US)     

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    FROM *THE CATS OF SHAMBALA* BY TIPPI HEDREN:

    Hitchcock had me in mind for another film, MARY ROSE, but I told him, "I can't work with you. I must get out of this contract and I will get out of it."

    "I'll ruin your career", he said, and he tried very hard to do just that. Hitch could abandon a dozen actors and actresses, but one did not abandon Hitch. Not easily."

    [That's the only Hitchcock anecdote I could find in this book. The whole book is about tigers, lions, & elephants at the Shambala Animal Preserve in Acton, California.]

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    posted 02-23-2001 04:30 PM PT (US)     

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    Anything in there about the ten-odd nightmarish years Hedren spent with husband Noel Marshall making ROAR! with those selfsame vast pussies, and how one of them ate the scalp of cinematographer Jan DeBont? (No wonder he's so legendarily cranky now that he's a director.)

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    posted 02-23-2001 11:44 PM PT (US)     

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    I haven't read Tippi's book, but if you visit her web-site at Shambala.org you can actually buy a video and soundtrack cd of Roar.

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    posted 02-24-2001 12:37 AM PT (US)     

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    The DVD of The Birds has some interesting special features, like Tippi Hedren's screen tests. The highlight is a 90 minute documentary on the making of the film. The documentary itself is scored by cues Herrmann composed for The Alfred Hitchcock Presents Hour, once again confirming that not having these on CD is a crime against humanity. Evan Hunter says he had discussions with Hitchcock about the score. Hunter felt that a score would frighten people to the point where it would become unbearable, but Hitch disagreed and felt the silence would be more unbearable. Steven Smith, the author of the Herrmann bio, is interviewed and discusses Herrmann's role in the film.

    As a side note, a friend of mine recently said to me: Could you imagine the Psycho shower murder without music? Just the sounds of the water, and the screams, and that knife going in, it would be too disturbing, you need the music to tell you this is a movie.

    I hadn't really thought of it in those terms before. But I told him that that was Hitchcock's original intention but he felt it didn't work without music. Supposedly because the scene goes flat, but who knows what Hitch had in mind. He shot Psycho in black and white so he wouldn't show the red blood in the tub, maybe it was a censorship decision but it's said he felt it would be too shocking. Using this rationale, is it possible Hitch added the music to make the scene LESS shocking rather than more? If so, it gives you an interesting take on what Hitch thought of film music overall.

    My experiments cuing music by Herrmann up to scenes in The Birds convinced me that the film certainly doesn't lose its effectiveness by having the score there.

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    posted 02-27-2001 08:48 PM PT (US)     

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    What other cues would you recommend for synching up to various scenes? The only one I've tried is the Psycho shower music to the scene where Jessica Tandy discovers the farmer's body with his eyes gouged out. What amazes me is how that cue works perfectly right up to the point where she frantically drives back home coming to a natural stop as she staggers out of the truck.

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    posted 02-27-2001 09:39 PM PT (US)     

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    "(though it is really nature that determines why women seek out men of wealth, power and position)"

    NATURE is at work in the animal world, Lou.
    AMBITION is what drives PEOPLE.
    You may counter that people are animals, but then I will counter by asking "What currency do they use to purchase food?"
    Animals have no currency. They are driven by instinct alone. Instinct only.
    Every human being possesses inate abilities FAR ABOVE those of animals.
    Faith, Hope, Love, Charity.
    Animals do not know of these.

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    posted 02-27-2001 10:19 PM PT (US)     

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    Eric--In 'temp-tracking' The Birds, I made a point of using Herrmann cues composed from around the same time as The Birds figuring that they would sound approximately like what a Herrmann score for The Birds would sound like, so I used cues mostly from Cape Fear, The Twilight Zone, Jason and the Argonauts, Marnie. I synced up the Main Title to the Main Title from The Bride Wore Black but I'm sure you could mix and match different cues. Cues seemed to go with the images, but I didn't have any special mesh that really struck me. I decided NOT to use music from Psycho since it was the most identifiable and I figured it would throw people if I showed them the clips. Unfortunately, I don't have the computer equipment to track in cues and edit the whole thing together so I had to do it very crude--dubbing the film from one VCR to another while adding in the music from the tape deck into one of the RCA sound input jacks, a real mess, very rarely was I able to get things to cue up properly but in the end result you got the basic idea.

    Chris--Although humanity has had about 12 to 16 thousand years of civilization since the start of agriculture, man as a primate has had 4.4 to 4.6 million years of evolution before that. The few years we've had of cities, culture, the ego, and increasing populations, has not been enough to completely alter a great deal of the mechanisms of primate psychology and physiology.

    Like chickens and other creatures, primates live in a heirarchy that tends towards monarchy, with alpha males and beta males, a whole pecking order. And beneath this reality is another level of genetic survival (Lacan and Freud would say that beneath even this level is something even darker and unconscious--a devil?--that repeats human suffering and longs for death and anhililation, but while we live with this it hasn't destroyed us yet).

    Ambition is personal and individual. Money, sex, power over your own life and perhaps others, desires to serve others and the species at large, the desire to leave some legacy after death---these are all things that motivate individuals. But when you talk of instinct, then we enter the realm of the autonomous nervous system formed over those millions of years of development.

    Underlying personal ambition are more basics hard-wired into us.

    For instance, love and the emotion of being in love are basically chemical, linked to smell, but they are nonetheless felt with intensity.

    If an alpha male is protective of a female, she will automatically feel a desire to sleep with the man, she may not act on it, but it will be there. This has as much to do with survival of the self and offspring as it does anything else.

    Money is linked in our civilization to survival. That's why to women, it's attractive regardless of the physical looks of the person with it.

    Ambition is viewed as a way for the individual to obtain happiness, but the idea of getting something out of life is rather young, maybe only as young as the Industrial revolution, shorter work hours, and the rise in leisure time.

    Throughout history and pre-history, survival was the issue. For some in the third world working 12-16 hours a day, it is still the basic issue.

    Religions of various types have always been used hypocritically by the elite against the self, sex, materialism, personal pleasure, etc. as a means of keeping unstable beta types to the basic task without breaking down the power structures. Subsequently, until the rise of a standard of living was enough to reach a majority of people, most people believed in these ideas. Since pleasure is more mass-obtainable now, religious influence has eroded.

    But while the possiblity of pleasure has become an added factor in human pursuits, survival is still the key issue. Most marriages are still about procreation. As college feminists marry, get knocked up, and raise families they are well aware that nature, biology, and the basic order and drives underlying civilization have more say over things than politics or personal desire, or rather personal desire is often just what life and biology requires and you just think it's your idea.

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    posted 02-27-2001 11:04 PM PT (US)     

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    Interestingly, The Birds is about all these issues--the return of the repressed as Jung would say--the neglected, taken for granted nature, turning against us, destroying our creation, pecking at our flesh, reminding us we are flesh, erupting to put fragile humanity in its place.

    And human games like Melanie and Mitch's or the jealousy between Annie and Melanie or the judgment of Mrs. Brenner over Melanie all break down when again the issue reverts to one of sheer survival.

    Animals may act on instinct alone, but we humans have instinct too--just touch a hot stove by accident. As for faith, hope, love, charity, all that belongs to civilization and culture--it may be the factors that keep humanity alive or they may be the things we're most proud of, the things that we feel seperate us from other forms of animal, but when the birds are attacking, they break down. You may sacrifice yourself for others like Annie (a rather pagan belief actually, see The Golden Bough by Fraser), but the basic issue once again becomes survival. In The Birds, even all the love these people have for each other momentarily breaks down under the pressure of the house under attack as they go screaming from corner to corner losing it.

    I don't believe that human nature is dark, but I do believe that Mother Nature suffers daily from PMS. We should consider the pros and cons of reality bluntly and keep in mind a balance of the praise and criticism, hope but not blind optimism, scepticism but not instant doomsaying.

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    posted 02-27-2001 11:10 PM PT (US)     

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    Lou: I'm all but certain Hitchcock never wanted shower-murder music for PSYCHO, and directed Herrmann accordingly, but Herrmann ignored him and scored it anyway. Once he heard it, Hitchcock admitted it worked far better that way. When Herrmann pulled the same trick on TORN CURTAIN, however, scoring that lengthy murder, well, we know what happened then.

    Christopher: It simply isn't true that animals have no sense of altruism. Not ALL of them, and I don't have time to flood you with historical examples, but what about the story of the dolphin, Pelorus Jack, who for years guided ships through a particularly perilous, rock-strewn channel? Until one day a drunken lout fired a gun at him, and he vanished for a time, then returned to his self-appointed duty -- although he would always spurn that one ship where the gunshot came from. Roomie has an amazing book -- by a scientist, not by one of those wobble-minded animals-are-better-than-us types -- about the nature and intelligence of dolphins. (The author makes no effort to anthropomorphize the beasties, either: they are fundamentally very different from us, but their intelligence is such that their motivations cannot be as simple as "pure instinct.")

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    posted 02-28-2001 10:20 AM PT (US)     

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    Rocco--You should read John Lilly's books on Dolphins. "Darwinism" doesn't apply to all species. Sure giant Sea Lions will fight for rule of the harem, but not all creatures operate in this fashion. Think of ants and bees especially. In this respect, they have the Judeo-Christian ethics down better than we do.

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    posted 02-28-2001 09:03 PM PT (US)     

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    Interesting ideas, Lou. The short story (about 50 pages long) of
    “The Birds” is really an ecological statement. The birds attack all over
    earth and probably annihilate mankind. They even fly in mass into
    airplanes to crash them. The story hints at the cause being mankind’s
    inhumanity to nature. They take their revenge.

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    posted 02-28-2001 11:13 PM PT (US)     

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    Joan--I've read the short story. But Hitchcock only took the basic idea--I think he had other fish to fry.

    Of course he plays with the idea of a bird revenge. There is the moment in the restaurant where someone orders a chicken and Hitchcock did make a humorous short trailer documenting how we've mistreated the birds through the centuries, but I think Hitch uses the birds as a metaphor and the bird attacks are not to be taken just literally.

    Hitchcock's view of sin makes each of us vulnerable to the fickle finger of fate. This time around, instead of Cary Grant being mistaken for a spy, it's Tippi Hedren and the Brenners and the town of Bodega Bay that's picked out for one of Hitch's trials by fire.

    Both Robin Wood and Camille Paglia see the overall context of the film: that the bird attacks are connected to the personal and sexual tensions between everyone.

    As for everything else, it just comes from reading too many cultural anthropology books in my youth. A lot of these ideas aren't mine, I repeat them because they just seem to explain things better for me than other theories do. I am religious, but when it comes to life on earth, we must look at everything as scientists, as Spocks, wishes and emotions should not cloud what is true.

    NP: Taxi Driver (Bernard Herrmann)

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