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Topic: Re-recordings

Graham Watt

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Jonathan Ax, thanks for filling me in on The Agony And The Ecstasy. I'll still continue to buy re-recordings though, but with precaution.
posted 02-24-2001 02:57 PM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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I'm with PeterK and Marian; a re-recording must be judged upon its own merits.The demands of a re-recording are dependant upon the score itself. Some film scores flow better in the re-recordings than they do on the original tracks. Joel McNeely's Vertigo is such an example. By staying closer to Herrmann's original noted tempi rather than to what Matheson conducted on the original soundtrack recording, the music makes a much fuller impression.
In this particular case, you can compare the original recording to the new one. Both are on the same label, so to say that one is meant to steal the thunder of the other is silly. Instead, one has a chance to compare the different versions of the music.
Although none of the other McNeely re-recordings of Herrmann music have been as successful, many have been quite good, just the same, such as Psycho.
Silva's re-recordings tend to be a mixed bag, but even they have a few gems. Raise the Titanic is excellent, and I like finally having Walkabout, which sounds pretty authentic to me.
Intrada's re-recordings with Bruce Broughton have all been nothing less than fabulous, as have John Morgan and William Stromberg's work with Marco Polo.
I understand why there is a certain purist aspect to film music collection; unlike other forms of music, film scores are meant from their inception to be a specific recording, and alternatives may not necessarily ring true. Nevertheless...
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- It is better to have some recording than to have none at all.
- If an album already exists of a particular score, than a re-recording can offer an alternative interpretation of the score just as valid as anything else (I do not feel I am being an apologist with this point; rather that music is a performed medium, and variety is worthwhile).
- A film music recording that has the proper respect for the material will be a worthy venture.
posted 02-26-2001 08:31 AM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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Lou:But how can we define "good"? Isn't it totally subjective?
If your definition of good is same as the original recording then any alteration is going to move it away from "good"
If your definition of good is "enjoyable listen" then it is purely subjective as the enjoyment of the recording could be based on indefinable factors like the kind of playback unit you have, whether you have ever heard the original score or maybe even if you had a bad day at work.
I think that re-records are just going to have to be judged on an individual basis and reviewers should take into account their feelings about re-records before setting fingers to keyboard.
You know, with the enjoyment of music being so subjective it is a small miracle that we soundtrack fans actually agree on any score as being a winner.For example, most soundtrack fans consider Bernard Herrmann a genius and his works are revered among the soundtrack community. Yet there are those who do not enjoy his work. Not for lack of trying, I suspect, but perhaps at some visceral level it just doesn’t appeal.
This makes it very difficult to agree on any standard against which work should be judged other than personal bias.
I guess a musicologist or a composer can speak to the technical aspects of a work, but even they can’t address its emotional appeal or its effects on a listener. I suspect that most listeners never really examine why they like a particular piece or a composer. It is enough that they like it.
posted 02-26-2001 09:52 AM PT (US) 
Nicolai P. Zwar

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I'm a strong supporter of the idea of treating film scores as music, and that means -- among other things -- to record them anew, to experience them apart from the movie, and to listen to them not as a tie-in to a certain movie but for their musical merrit alone. As such, I would report that the overal amount and quality of re-recordings has never been better and more satisfying than it is these days. However, if anybody expects a re-recording to sound exactly like a previous recording, I can only say this: don't! Stay away from re-recordings if you expect them to be something they cannot and should not be: the mere carbon image of another recording. Stay away from them if you have fallen in love with the recording of, say, a golden age soundtrack and all you want is better sound quality. Improving sound quality alone is certainly not what re-recording music is abot. Music is a living and breathing thing, and every recording brings its own point of view, every new performance is another birth with the right to its own life (for better or worse). But don't blame the London Symphony Orchestra for sounding differently than the New York Philharmonic Orchestra, they are two different entities, as well they should be.NP: Hector Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique
Orchestre Lamoureux, Paris/Markevitch (Deutsche Grammophon)posted 02-26-2001 10:01 AM PT (US) 
annleaha
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spam deleted. interesting thread kept alive.[Message edited by PeterK on 08-02-2006]
posted 08-02-2006 11:13 AM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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It's funny looking back at this thread. I haven't changed my point of view one iota. In fact, over at Filmus, I just reminded Ford about his When Worlds Collide comments. They were 5 years ago and I think of them as only yesterday. And Ford hasn't changed either, still calling me wacky & anal.
posted 08-02-2006 04:27 PM PT (US) 
Thor

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This 2001 thread came about shortly after I left the moviemusic.com board the last time, so I never got to participate. Fortunately (since this is a topic I care greatly about), the FSM board started a similar thread in 2002 which grew to five whooping pages over the next two years! In my opinion, it's the ultimate discussion on this topic, and really the only place I would like to continue the discussion further at this point. I wouldn't wanna repeat myself just to get to the same point all over again, if you know what I mean.In any case, here is the thread if you have the time and desire for a good read:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=11030&forumID=1&pageID=1Oh, and the short version: I prefer rerecordings over original recordings in most cases (especially for pre-1970 scores).
NP: MIAMI VICE (Hammer)
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posted 08-03-2006 03:51 AM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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Man, this is an old one you guys dredged up. LOL>I still dont like the reverberation on there but I do like the Cid march version.
when I was a teen many years ago I had a great sounding wooden record cabinet with the tubes. The sound was superior on that. Everything sounded so full and rich. It had to do with the wood cabinet and the tubes. All the turntables I have had since, none of them sounded as good.
Many CDs today do not sound as good as that old stereo did.
J.
posted 08-03-2006 05:19 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
- It is better to have some recording than to have none at all.
