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ActionGuy Oscar® Winner	Has anyone gotten this yet?? I hear it's supposed to be excellent but cluttered with dialogue.Being an avid Media Ventures fan I will probably most certainly buy this anyway. However, I've also heard that the dialogue actually adds a pretty cool element to the score. Any opinions on Zimmer's new score? Rich D.
posted 02-06-2001 04:04 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	The music sounds great! I wish Anthony Hopkins would shutup, so I can hear it! I think the dialoge idea is stupid! If I wanted to hear him talking over music then I'd go watch the movie and buy the DVD! Thank you Decca, now I will wait for the BOOTLEG! NP- Hannibal on Ford Thaxton's show [Message edited by TimT on 02-06-2001]
posted 02-06-2001 04:22 PM PT (US)

Hornerfan Oscar® Winner	The score is NOT cluttered with dialogue. There may be a total of 5 minutes in Zimmer's score. And, it's mixed in great, so you can totally ignore the dialogue and concentrate on the score, if you wanted. Don't knock it until you buy it. It's great, great music, with amazing choral writing and some truly involving string work. Go. Get it. NOW! Mike
posted 02-06-2001 04:43 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Hornerfan: The score is NOT cluttered with dialogue. There may be a total of 5 minutes in Zimmer's score. And, it's mixed in great, so you can totally ignore the dialogue and concentrate on the score, if you wanted. Don't knock it until you buy it. It's great, great music, with amazing choral writing and some truly involving string work. Go. Get it. NOW! Mike<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Well besides the fact that its soo anoying, it forces you to experience the score only through the context of the film, Not to just sit and enjoy it, and make my own images in the thearter of my mind. This is how I listen to my scores. Frankly I don't really care about the Hannibal movie. NP- Hannibal on Ford's Show. "The Burning Heart" or whatever track 10 is, is a real kick in the balls! [Message edited by TimT on 02-06-2001]
posted 02-06-2001 04:51 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	The music is brilliant, but I totally agree with Tim, Sir Hopkins needs to shut up. There is a part at the end where the music is just mind blowing and then his voice comes in. I will get the CD sure; I am also hoping that Decca releases a "no dialogue" version in the UK like "Angela's Ashes." (I'll pick that one up as well) Music wise its great, I think Zimmer did a better job on "Hannibal" then he did on that other little movie he did last year. --Brian Writer & Film/Video Editor NP: Hannibal on STC (Ford's Show)
posted 02-06-2001 04:53 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	We ought to start a petition for that already dialoge poluted Gladiator vol 2 CD! [Message edited by TimT on 02-06-2001]
posted 02-06-2001 05:05 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	A question, for those who OWN the CD and have listened to it ALL, how many tracks contain dialouge? --Brian Writer & Film/Video Editor NP: Hannibal on STC (**) <-(Would be **1/2 but the dialouge in the music mess it up)
posted 02-06-2001 07:15 PM PT (US)

ActionGuy Oscar® Winner	alright.. I'm gonna settle this dialogue mess. I'm on my way over to hastings to buy it, besides i need some new music to read by. Rich D.
posted 02-06-2001 07:55 PM PT (US)

Hornerfan Oscar® Winner	About 5 minutes of dialogue, spread out over 3 tracks. Mike
posted 02-06-2001 08:19 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	Yes but I swear, it appears over the most beatuful moments of Zimmer's score! Just right when Zimmer throws in this melody or choral theme, then Hopkins jumps in. When Hopkins Finnally shuts up then the score resolves to just under score or dissonance almost. Its true the mix is so that you can still clearly hear the music over the old man, but its still distracting. It ruins the mood. [Message edited by TimT on 02-06-2001]
posted 02-06-2001 08:34 PM PT (US)

ActionGuy Oscar® Winner	Mike's right, there's not much dialogue at all. And what little dialogue there is i think it is very chilling and adds something to the score in my own opinion. The first track, "Dear Clarice" is very cool. If you're a Zimmer fan like myself do yourself a favor and go buy this score! Even if you're not, it still sounds different then the basic Media Ventures score dominated by electronics, give it a shot. It's like nothing I've ever heard zimmer do before. Rich D. NP - Hannibal **/**
posted 02-06-2001 08:37 PM PT (US)

ActionGuy Oscar® Winner	alright.. I'm on my third listen in a row now.. and i must say that i liked the score this first time. But WOW, it really grows on you, and yes even the dialogue does as well. I really love the dialogue to be honest. In fact when i was chatting with my g/f i started talking in my own little hannibalisms after hearing the small amount of dialogue (which is not intrusive at all in the score). I'm really surprised Zimmer didn't bring back Gerrard though, some tracks sound just like they are graced by her but are not. Go BUY this ASAP, it's realllllly good! Well thats my 2 cents. Rich D. NP - Hannibal - track 12 "Vide Cor Meum" (There's a little surprise at the end of this track)
posted 02-06-2001 11:14 PM PT (US)

Kris Oscar® Winner	I don´t think the Gladiator Vol. 2 cd will be bad. I mean, we already have about 60-70 minutes without dialogue. We will get some of that music with dialogue. Just as with Braveheart Vol. 2. It´s stupid to start bashing Decca because of some dialogue. For Christ´s sake, they released over 120 minutes of music. That´s more than we get most of the time. As for Hannibal. I don´t have the cd yet. So, no comment yet. I´m concerned though that some great music will have dialogue disturbance.
posted 02-07-2001 03:13 AM PT (US)

wistiti Oscar® Winner	Sorry, but I'm not getting this one. Listened to Thaxton's Soundtrack Cinema, and I'm not much impressed. I'm not a Shore fan, but Shore's Silence of the Lambs sounds way better than Zimmer's crap. And I already have one album with Hopkins babbling and ruining the music (which is already average at best: The Grinch), I don't need another one where the music is no more than average and has Hopkins making it even worse. (Interestingly, both The Grinch and Hannibal are from Universal Music. Coincidence? I think not.)
posted 02-07-2001 05:58 AM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	To each, their own crap. Still, it's missing out.
posted 02-07-2001 07:21 AM PT (US)

Drixorial Oscar® Winner	Although I liked some of what I heard, the choiral parts to name one, were simply amazing. Unfortunatly I thought alot of cues sounded way too similar to Zimmer's score to 'House of the Spirits' for my liking and then add in some dialogue over the few but good parts of the score and you have a pretty mediorce score. I AM thankful though that I don't have to hear another 4/4 Zimmer rock anthem with blaring synths NP: The Postman -James Newton Howard [Message edited by Drixorial on 02-07-2001]
posted 02-07-2001 07:58 AM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	Well for those of you who feel that dialogue is unapropriate on soundtracks unless its some read-along. Please feel free to complain here. http://www.deccaclassics.com/feedback/feedback.asp :-)
posted 02-07-2001 08:46 AM PT (US)

Foobsie Oscar® Winner	I just complained!
posted 02-07-2001 09:26 AM PT (US)

wistiti Oscar® Winner	So did I. Thanks Tim.
posted 02-07-2001 09:55 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	I think both scores, "Slience of the Lambs" and "Hannibal" are great. I think Shore did a great job with "Slience" and I believe that Zimmer's score will work great with "Hannibal." I also added my two cents to the Decca page. --Brian Writer & Film/Video Editor NP: Hannibal on STC (****)
posted 02-07-2001 10:19 AM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	Is it me, or does track 9 really work with the monologue? "My home is my gallows..." It is very atmospheric...with that beat building underneath it. I've had to listen to it a couple times now.
posted 02-07-2001 10:47 AM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Lancelot: *Is it me, or does track 9 really* work with the monologue? "My home is my gallows..." It is very atmospheric...with that beat building underneath it. I've had to listen to it a couple times now.**<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes but....and this maybe just me and how I listen to music but, do you want to be reminded of Hannibal everytime you listen to this score? I know it was written for the movie, but good scores have many lives outside of it. Putting dialogue over it just kinda gives it just one life. NP- Malena (Ennio Morricone) 5/5 [Message edited by TimT on 02-07-2001]
posted 02-07-2001 11:03 AM PT (US)

John Dunham Oscar® Winner	I like the score, and I find the dialogue okay, but my verdict from listening to the clips and Soundtrack cinema is that it would be better WITHOUT the dialogue. It wouldn't even be so bad if the dialogue was placed over the underscore portions of the track instead of the very best parts. I've also sent some comments to Decca. NP: Kundun, Glass
posted 02-07-2001 01:01 PM PT (US)

Will Oscar® Winner	How much dialogue was there in More Music From Braveheart?
posted 02-08-2001 05:54 AM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Oscar® Winner	Oh, we can only dream what would have been if Ridley Scott had any taste in music. I enjoyed the fact that Zimmer didn't beat us over the head with synths (liked the piano), but this score is no Silence Of The Lambs. A couple of times during this dreadfully exploitive piece of filmmaking, I found myself wondering if parts of Mission To Mars ("Sacrifice Of A Hero" or that other one that everyone but hates but me) and The Usual Suspects ("The Killing Of A Rat") were used in the temp track. Shaun
posted 02-09-2001 07:50 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	Anything constructive to say?
posted 02-09-2001 08:24 PM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Oscar® Winner	They shouldn't have made this film at all. Too much "winky-winky, look how funny and cool I am when I gut possibly the best character in the film". Look at the original. There's genuine terror in the climax. There's NO climax in Hannibal. It just.......ends. THAT was the end? the lady sitting next to me said. Anyway, my opinion still isn't cemented on this one yet. Shaun
posted 02-09-2001 11:03 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	Shaun, dont tell us! --Brian Writer & Film/Video Editor
posted 02-09-2001 11:04 PM PT (US)

Racerprose Oscar® Winner	I wrote a review at my site Score Central/with sound clips. If anyone is interested..... Link: www.ScoreCentral.cjb.net Also, all those who are excited about the Vol. 2 Gladiator release - be afraid. If you thought the voice of Hopkins in the score for Hannibal was bad than you won't even want to hear Vol. 2 of Gladiator. -Racerprose
posted 02-10-2001 09:34 AM PT (US)

wistiti Oscar® Winner	Link does not work. The following link does: http://scorecentral.cjb.net/ As for Gladiator 2, I never had any real intentions so dialogue or not, I don't care.
posted 02-10-2001 10:28 AM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	There actually IS a climax in Hannibal, but it is very subtle....I'm not going to say it right here, because most folks haven't seen it yet. You missed it...though it doesn't sound like you'd care, at any rate.
posted 02-10-2001 08:21 PM PT (US)

Al Oscar® Winner	I agree with Shaun. At least Zimmer delivered some atmospheric music. His operatic theme, outside of the opera scene, just didn't seem to fit in the film at all and just cried out for attention. Again, director Scott has an unnecessary slow-motion sequence at the beginning of the film with Zimmer delivering unnecessary and over-emotional music. My thoughts of Zimmer's score? His best work was the atmospheric pieces... the ones I barely paid attention to.
posted 02-10-2001 10:41 PM PT (US)

SPQR Oscar® Winner	It's hard to imagine how Decca could fill another "Gladiator" CD with anything of any further interest. Having just viewed it on DVD gave me the opportunity to pay closer attention to Zimmer's score, and with the exception of Commodus' overblown entrance on horseback, that truly dreadful action cut as Maximus races homeward, the Middle-Eastern flavoured travelling cue, the after battle party music and the conspiratorial music courtesy of "JFK", the remaining music is either a repetition of an earlier cue (most notably the first cut on the CD), or in the instance of the Barracks attack, just a repeat of "The Battle/"The Barbarian Horde" with a few minor changes. And, having paid this much more attention to it, I've become even less forgiving in my opinion of the score. For instance, did any notice how the after-battle celebration music immediatley and inexplicably cuts to "Earth", when the Emporer meets his daughter. Did the party suddenly stop, or what? And, of course, the score just goes on and on, with practically every scene containing music. As for the film: it's an overlong muddle of a "B" movie that certainly does not merit such plaudits as "BEST PICTURE". If this movie can win such awards, why didn't "Hercules Unchained"? Is that because it wasn't as 'touchy-feely' or maybe it's just because Hercules wasn't a widower. (I wonder, if more people donated to charity whether they'd feel so sucker bound by the suffering of two-dimensional characters in 2nd rate movies), Who knows. Who cares....really...it's just another dumb movie.
posted 02-11-2001 12:27 PM PT (US)

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