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    Topic:   Films to see having NEVER heard their music?

     joan hue
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    L. Page's thread sparked this topic.

    Next to my computer, I keep a running list of movies I’d like to rent because
    somebody at a soundtrack web site mentioned the score. It doesn’t behoove
    my pocket book to just arbitrarily buy a score based on someone’s recommendation
    as tastes vary too much. While I’ve managed to rent tons of videos this year
    to hear their scores, I find certain videos totally absent from my area. Hence, I have no idea about their scores. I wonder
    if some of you have been looking for DVD or video rentals in hopes of hearing
    a frequently mentioned score? It took me two years to find Return to Oz and
    Durango, and it was our local library that finally purchased them.

    Here are just a few of the movies I’ve searched for with no luck just because their
    scores have been heralded.

    Heartbeeps, From Noon to Three, The Horsemen, Knightrider, Comes a Horseman,
    Wild Palms, Tai Pan, Jayhawkers, Crossed Swords, Inchon, The Shooting Party, The
    River Runs Black, Voyage of the Damned, Master Gunfighter, Too Late the Hero,
    The Woodlanders, Babe (TV Goldsmith), Elephant Man, Images, Cassandra Crossing,
    Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia, Riddle of the Sands, The Shooting Party
    Objective Burma, A Handful of Dust, King of the Sun, Haunted Summer, Until
    September, The North Star, and Raid on Entebbe. Ortolani scores: Seventh Dawn,
    Glory Guys, The Yellow Rolls Royce, Red Dragon, Anzio, The Hunting Party, The
    Valachi Papers, and Cannibal Holocaust. Never have found Taras Bulba, but I own it
    anyway.

    Bloody Darn to absent videos!!

    NP They Died With Their Boots On

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    posted 02-03-2001 01:06 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    KNIGHTRIDERS is terrific -- I own an EP copy someplace.

    TAI-PAN is dreadful, though I like the score. INCHON, I think, has NEVER been released to video. HAUNTED SUMMER was, has a good reputation, but I only know it by the score.

    I last saw THE ELEPHANT MAN on cable, and THE CASSANDRA CROSSING was, for some reason, a brief perennial on PBS a couple of years ago.

    Best of luck ... BUT, Mom, I'm really NOT sure you want to subject yourself to CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST, especially if I can't even get you to sit through the far milder DESPERATE LIVING ...

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    posted 02-03-2001 01:33 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    Hey H’ness, Desperate Living is also hard to find. Whenever I request
    it, the help says, “No sicko films for psychotics in this store.”

    Others: Sink the Bismarck, 1900 Novento, Passionate Friends, The Prize, The
    Bliss of Mrs. Blossom, Hidden Fortress, Mississippi Mermaid, Chouans,
    The Chairman, Lover's Prayer, The Bliss of Mrs. Blossom, Captain Blood, Throne of Blood and William the Conqueror.

    NP Sense and Sensibility

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    posted 02-03-2001 02:58 PM PT (US)     

     John C Winfrey
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    Joan, I have seen most of the films you listed in both lists over the years. Comments on a few:

    Inchon-Laurence Olivier sleepwalks through his performance Grade of film D

    Noon to Three-hokey Bronson/Jill Ireland film, one of many they have made together

    Too Late the Hero-is fun but not very realistic. Caine and Robertson are good in it though. Denholm Elliott gives a good performance as the dopey, inept captain that gets people slaughtered. The score is great. Michael Caine gives an excellent performance as the wise-cracking British soldier. Also called Suicide Run.


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    posted 02-03-2001 04:48 PM PT (US)     

     John C Winfrey
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    More:

    Jayhawkers-if this is the old Fess Parker film from late '50s don't waste your time.

    Babe-the true story of Babe D. Zaharias, the all-around athlete. Starred Susan Clark and husband(the football player), he is in Centennial too, both on Webster together. Its fair.

    Tai Pan-dumb.


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    posted 02-03-2001 04:52 PM PT (US)     

     John C Winfrey
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    Taras Bulba, interesting but poorly done.

    Cassandra Crossing-fair, deadly train in Europe. Crossing is a bridge. Score tremendous, film no.

    Crossed Swords-poor.

    Most on your list aren't worth seeing.

    The Objective Burma film is pretty good. Errol Flynn gives good performance in it. So do many of the back-up actors. Lots of the battle scenes are inept though. Wrong weapon sounds in several scenes. I like the film though. One of the better WW II films in my opinion.


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    posted 02-03-2001 04:56 PM PT (US)     

     John C Winfrey
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    One fairly good movie on there is The Horsemen. Kind of interesting. Best, John.

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    posted 02-03-2001 05:02 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    Thanks for the information, John. I have found that most of the movies I've brought home to listen to for their scores are not too good. I'm just interested in hearing their scores. Believe me, I hit the fast forward button often until I think music is playing. I.E. Yor, Hunter of the Future. Good music, horrid film. Bleck.

    Thanks again.

    NP Music From Bette Davis Movies.

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    posted 02-03-2001 07:51 PM PT (US)     

     jonathan_little
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    What ever you do -- DO NOT rent The Eiger Sanction. Williams' score is fantastic... the movie is horrible!

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    posted 02-03-2001 08:17 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    I dunno, Jonathan...the missez and I thought that The Eiger Sanction was a fun flick. Ditto to the Bronson film From Noon 'til Three! That's the movie that forced me to love Bronson! It's a hilarious satire about merchandising, and one of my very favorite comedies!
    Joan, I gotta tell ya'...you have accumulated a long list of some of the world's most difficult movies to find! Do you have any Suncoast Video stores in your area? They seem able to track down almost anything!

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    posted 02-03-2001 08:47 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    We are a combination of three cities, and yes, Chris, I think there is a Suncoast
    in a nearby town. I’ll check it out. Thanks.

    Others still not found: Zelly and Me, Terror in the Aisles, Our Mother’s House,
    Nicholas and Alexandria, Tom’s Midnight Garden, Catch a Falling Star, Ring
    of Bright Water, A Handful of Dust, and Summer Lovers.

    (This difficult search is the fault of all you posters who mention these films for their
    scores or list them under NP.

    NP Watching Roots. Wow, I do remember Fried’s haunting score.

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    posted 02-03-2001 09:30 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    Joan, I am convinced that if Suncoast Video cannot find it...it is not yet available.

    That has been the result of my limited experience...

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    posted 02-03-2001 09:46 PM PT (US)     

     John C Winfrey
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    Joan, a couple of more to comment on:

    Sink the Bismarck is a good film, it does not have the Johnny Horton song in it. A good score in there though by Parker.

    Another one you might add to your list is First to Fight with Chad Everett and Gene Hackman. Really funny, hokey film but the music is great by Fred Steiner. Tremendous action music in it and great theme and main title music. The "coward" music for Everett in his chicken scenes is superb. It counterpoints the Casablanca tune "As Time Goes By" against suspense and terror music as he hides in a foxhole or whatever. The Casablanca film is seen in the film and the guy whistles it when he and his girl are courting. It is the love theme later when he returns to combat crossed with other music very well. Some of the battle scenes are really funny and ridiculous but the music in them is fantastic. From 1967 and a WBs film. Very effective score. John.

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    posted 02-04-2001 06:41 AM PT (US)     

     John C Winfrey
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    One final comment on First to Fight, if you rent this be sure and watch the battle scenes closely and you will notice the same scenes over and over in the hand to hand combat scenes. The same Japanese soldier getting blown up by a grenade shown from several different angles in different scenes. Also, when they are charging across the river in the first battle you can see the rubber bayonets wobbling. Pretty bad. John.

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    posted 02-04-2001 03:01 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    Thanks John. I'll check for First to Fight and hope it is somewhere in this area. I also check for these movies on TV when I can't find them on video.

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    posted 02-04-2001 03:44 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    I just missed Eiger Sanction on TV a couple of days ago.

    NP: Henry V (Patrick Doyle)

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    posted 02-04-2001 06:02 PM PT (US)     

     SBD
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    Outbreak

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    posted 03-27-2001 09:48 AM PT (US)     

     Eric Paddon
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    Joan, your chances of seeing "Inchon" at this point are non-existent, I think because that remains the only film I know of that just vanished off the face of the Earth (no TV, no VHS, nothing!). I saw it during its theatrical run of one week and it was pretty bad, but I know I'd like to see it again just for kicks to see what could be best described as the 80s version of "The Conqueror" (Famous actor makes fool of himself in history epic).

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    posted 03-27-2001 10:16 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    I keep hoping for a Director's Cut of INCHON with all the David Janssen footage restored ...

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    posted 03-27-2001 11:45 AM PT (US)     

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    Me too, but I think the one armed man made off with all his footage!

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    posted 03-27-2001 01:04 PM PT (US)     

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    Oh, Joan...when I hear that word "Inchon" my minds leaps and dances with the joys of the double entendre. Grrrrowwwwwwwwrrrrrr.

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    posted 03-27-2001 01:26 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    Thanks Eric for the information. I just wanted to see it to hear the music. (Brad, go stand in the corner. )

    NP George Delerue compilation

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    posted 03-27-2001 01:47 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by SBD:
    Outbreak

    Don't!

    NP: Anton Bruckner: Symphony #7 (Münchner Philharmoniker, Sergiu Celibidache)

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    posted 03-27-2001 03:23 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    Huh. I'm really surprised you're having trouble finding MOST of these. Maybe some titles have slipped out of print that I don't know about but the great majority of them should be available. A few on your list are not on VHS and never show on TV, but they are the exceptions to the rule here.

    And, not only are most on VHS, I can rent most of them here in town, although the chains like Blockbuster really cut back on what they had to offer. Of course, saying that really isn't fair. Ann Arbor where I live is a college town with students, profs, and a lot of other professionals, the people here are always trying to one up each other with the extent of their cultural namedropping so we have more of this stuff available than the average place.

    I'm with Rocco. It takes a strong stomach to watch Cannibal Holocaust. Among many other nasty moments, I don't know who thought cutting open live giant sea turtles and having their entrails spill out was entertaining, but they were wrong.

    In addition to Objective Burma which is a 3 star film, I'd advise watching Destination Tokyo as well. It earns less stars from me as a film but, as I have said ad nauseum, I think it has one of the best of Waxman's scores and I certainly prefer it to OB.

    I think your pursuit is a fine one. Though many films with great scores can be mediocre, the quality of the scores themselves can make the watching worthwhile, especially if there is no other way to hear the music.

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    posted 03-27-2001 10:19 PM PT (US)     

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    Lou, I don’t live in an area as culturally prestigious as you, but we
    do have more Ph.d’s per square mile than most areas due to the
    fact I’m surround by nuclear power plants. (So I won’t rent
    China Syndrome again...besides no music.)

    I see some of you have added suggestions. Oh goodie, more films to
    track down. In my lifetime, I’ve ordered too many filmscores based
    on others’ recommendations only to find they don’t suit my taste, so
    I make a sincere effort to first view the movie before buying the music.
    A lot of films are poor, but the music may make the watch worthwhile.
    I’m becoming an expert at fast forwarding through non-underscored
    parts.

    I have found a few: River Runs Black which had a mediocre score, and
    Cassandra Crossing that sported a solid, action packed Goldsmith score.
    Silly movie but fun. Too Late the Hero glued hubby and me to the
    TV. I liked it and the score. Nicholaus and Alexandria was well done
    and had a decent score, but the book was even better.
    First to Fight was cheesy as John said, but I really liked the music.

    Lover’s Prayer was released last week. (Super Duh! I might be smart to
    NOT look for a movie BEFORE it’s released.) It is suppose to have
    a lush McNeely score. No show at my local stores.

    The search continues.

    [Message edited by joan hue on 03-27-2001]

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    posted 03-27-2001 11:01 PM PT (US)     

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    The one thing I miss about the dreary backwater town of Athens, OH (where I went to grad school) is the local independent video rental store around the corner from where I lived. It had the largest selection of any place I've ever seen, putting the likes of Blockbuster to shame because it had all the old out of print titles dating back more than fifteen yeras to when they were released and that made it a great place for tracking down obscure films. I would never have discovered John Barry's magnificent (though sparse) score for "The Tamarind Seed" had they not carried a long out of print copy for rental (the film was pretty good IMO).

    I tend to put myself in the column of those who would prefer to see a movie first, rather than buy or listen to a score cold for a movie I've never seen. To me, there is no way I can connect with a score unless I know what it was describing or emphasizing on screen first. The only exceptions I have ever made for this are Goldsmith's score for Star Trek V (which covered familiar territory for me anyway) and a couple of the FSM releases (was fortunate to find Prince Valiant for rental somewhere before I took the plunge on that).

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    posted 03-27-2001 11:23 PM PT (US)     

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    I thought this was "Films to see having ONLY heard their music."

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