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Jeron Oscar® Winner	People, I come here to talk about film music. That's my primary purpose on MovieMusic.com. People have declared their intent to leave, people have come back. Why in the heck am I still here? While this situation has been blown way out of proportion, I'm a bit confused (and it has given me some insight). No one seems to wanna stick around for the good people that are still here! Sure, someone gets banned. But is that good enough reason to bail out and drop your other friends on their arses? I come here for good conversation. I come here to maintain the good relationships I've made - and gosh darn it, I come here to talk about the music I love and the people that love it. I drop in at the FilmTracks Scoreboard every now and then. I take a peek at FSM a couple times a month. But they don't compare to this place. I'm an individual and I will ensure you that I pursue my own interests. While other people seem to transcend many of the boards with no problem, I've found my niche here, among my friends. If everyone got up and left, I'd probably be forced to just stay here and rebuild. But that's never any fun... especially after important events like Detroit and Los Angeles. Things like that tie us together. It's what makes our community unlike the others. My biggest rant is this: Take a look at the list below, which I consider to be comprised of our board's most informative, good-natured, and interested participants: Crono/Kyp (Brian), Justin, Scott, Jack, TimT, Audacity, Kris Koon, Al Cope, Gae, Aaron Brown, AaronR1074, Camillu, BMikeJ, Mark Olivarez, Brad Wills, Dan Brecher, Sebulba (Chris), Cole, Pete M, Ed Coleman, James (where ya been, pal?), Graham Watt, Greg Bryant, Robin4 (Mike), Ron Pulliam, Hasta (Jason), Jasom, Danny, Hornerfan (Mikey), Jonathan Little, Joe, Timmer, Kevin, Mr. Ware, Mom (Joan Hue), Marc Flake, John Maher, Sean Abbey, S Smith, Marcelo, Widescreen, Ruger, Aaron Collins, Norman McCay, Onelegger, Mr. Lister, Steve Hughes, Ed Otten, Patrick, Ricard Befan, John Dunham, Wedge, OHMSS76, and more recently: Quill, Scoreguy15, and Racerprose. Read that list. I apologize to those I missed. You all are an integral part of this board. I didn't mention Rocco, JJH, Shaun, Lou, Andre, Hatfield, or Marian, as they have all been in contact with me (and each other) through out this entire ordeal - AND, are the ones that have expressed interest in leaving (maybe not Lou or Hatfield, but the rest sure have). They are important to this community as well. Regardless of being "enlightened" as to the truth of the matter, it really HURTS me to see those of you that have considered leaving, posting "I'm through!" declarations, when it is US - those (above, in the big list) that I mentioned, including myself - when it is US that, along with you guys, that make this message board what it is. If that member list above isn't enough to make you want to stay, then I don't know what is. Your knowledge and insight, your personalities and unique senses of humor are what make me wanna visit this place. I can get information any where. This isn't just a source of information. As many of you have stated, this is a family. I believe in that more than anything. Sure, you may get sick of the attitudes - but read that long list and ask yourselves if any one of those gentlemen (or women) contributes to the waves of negativity that sweep over this board. I honestly can't point my finger at any of them. My point? Don't cheat yourself out of our good company because of something so trivial. If it gets on your nerves, ignore it. That's what I do. It's worked quite well for me. If you've got a problem, address it directly with those who instigate that problem... don't post it publically. I've made that mistake a couple times, and believe me - I've learned from it. David, I don't need to hear any comments from you about what I'm going to say below: I love everyone here. As I said, it's why I participate. This is a unique place. Let's don't throw it all to hell just because a few people can't seem to get along. If they had any respect for the community they claim is so important to them, they'd take the arguments, disputes, and conflicts outside. This is my view. I haven't said anything MAJOR until now. I submit it respectfully and most humbly. Give it some serious thought and get back to me (e-mail, IM, or whatever). Your friend, Jeron PS - I believe I'm "on-topic" as this whole board seems to be on the topic of what has occurred the past few days. If you have words for me regarding this post being "off-topic," e-mail me. Personally, I think we should all be afforded certain freedoms to discuss message board politics. I don't usually post things like this, but here it is. I hope you'll respect it as such. Thanks. [Message edited by Jeron on 02-16-2001]
posted 01-23-2001 12:23 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	Jer, I agree with you whole hearted. And I can say that sometimes the best times of my day is coming here to MovieMusic and seeing what new things people have posted for me to talk with them about. Boards are a way to interact and I can also say that I would not have the appreciation for music that I have now if it weren’t for this board. And I thank everyone here that has helped make my experience in the world of movie scores a great one. --Bri/Kyp Writer & Film/Video Editor NP: Can't Fight The Moon Light [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 01-23-2001]
posted 01-23-2001 12:39 PM PT (US)

Ed Coleman Oscar® Winner	Jeron, you are absolutely right, I couldn't agree more. Even thought I don't post very ofter, I'm out here reading every day. The great conversations you guys have are something I look foward to. It's really painful to see this stuff going on because it doesn't have to after all we are all just here for the music. I also posess a great love for this board as well as it's members, I owe it to many of you for steering me in the right direction and answering my stupid questions. If it means anything I will never go anywhere else, there no place like home. Your friend, Ed NP - Insurrection (complete) [Message edited by Ed Coleman on 01-23-2001]
posted 01-23-2001 12:42 PM PT (US)

Widescreen Oscar® Winner	Jeron, Your comments are kind. I'm certain this one of many posts that Peter appreciates. He has e-mailed me so privately. I'm afraid there are some people who are way too cynical or self-indulgent to appreciate that freedom to communicate is a privelege, not a birthright, though opinion is a right of everyone here. "Nobility isn't a birthright, it's defined by one's actions." I'm not talking about those here who would draw the line in the sand, I'm speaking broadly. At least humanity has been somewhat recognized. If it hadn't, the message board alone would not survive. The same privlege comes with positive atmospheres, and we have the right to preserved it. I encourage posts like this. Let's find this to be a constructive way to push for a better community.
posted 01-23-2001 12:49 PM PT (US)

SEBULBA Oscar® Winner	I also agree 100% Jeron. I look forward to coming here every morning when I get to work. Sometimes no topics really interest me, although I usually always check them out, and other times I post on many. I've always appreciated many of the people here, Jeron being on of them. He's one of the first I can remember since I started posting here almost 2 years ago. I don't usually get involved in the heated topics, but I keep coming here because of the people.
posted 01-23-2001 12:51 PM PT (US)

Camillu Oscar® Winner	Jeron - you left me out of the list. I am very deeply hurt and hereby announce my permanent departure from this and any other boards. Farewell.
posted 01-23-2001 01:07 PM PT (US)

John Dunham Oscar® Winner	I also agree completely. I didn't even know what was going on for a while, having not read any of the thread pertaining to it until after the fact. I still don't quite understand it, but I don't think it really matters. IMO, (and this may sound a little mushy, but hey) there is no problem that can't be overcome if we work together as a group, and, dare I say, a Family of sorts. NP: Ride With The Devil MP3 clip - I gotta get this!
posted 01-23-2001 01:11 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	As someone who was involved on the thread from hell, let me just say Jeron brings up a valid point. A community is composed of all its members and our diversity is diminished by the loss of even one member, that’s one of the reasons things got so far out of control and perspective. A discussion about when to ban or close threads has to be handled with the most delicate sensibility and sad to say, we as a group failed to do so. I don’t think anyone wanted to drive people away. Indeed, the focus was really on what to include. But we let our emotions rule instead of our minds and thus the result. You can’t make things better by leaving; you can only make things worse. So for our wandering friends, I hope you find your way back. I look forward to reading posts from every member on the board, even ones I don’t agree with. (Andre and I have discussed Danny Elfman and Hans Zimmer with nary a harsh feeling between us. It gives me hope for peace in the middle east )I hope that things calm down and get back to a state resembling our conception of what normal is and everybody comes back. But ultimately, this is a bulletin board and we need to keep perspective. Some will come back, some will vanish forever, some will lurk and we who post will never even feel their shadow, some will drop in for a few weeks like your crazy old aunt/uncle and then not be around for months. Some will vanish and only later will we learn that we have not only lost him from our online community but from the struggle of life as well (Rest in Peace Guy McKone) The board will grow and change and new members will come who will never know about this controversy and so it goes…. PS. This is a shout out to Tom Scofield. If you are lurking about, we miss you and are worried about you. Let one of us know that you okay.
posted 01-23-2001 01:57 PM PT (US)

OHMSS76 Oscar® Winner	Don't worry Camillu.... I got shafted too! Time for a group backscratch! Sean [Message edited by OHMSS76 on 01-23-2001]
posted 01-23-2001 02:17 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	Interesting that you mentioned Tom Scofield. I did two whole threads just about him, and even asked the K about him earlier today, and he has been no more successful in raising him than anyone else. The e-mails ARE going through, he's just not responding, and I still don't know what the matter is. No vast sea-change occurred as far as the Board at that time, and in our very last communication, he even expressed interest in hooking up on his next trip to NYC (when I still lived there.) The curtain has come down, and God only knows why. Morbid of me, I know, but I frankly wonder if he's dead. Note that his e-mail address belongs to a "CAROL Scofield," if I remember and interpret correctly. She might not have changed it, and might not want to be reminded. WE MISS YOU, THOMAS. As far as my own gut-reactive decision to leave, I stand behind it. Seeing red? The whole world in front of me was crimson at the moment. NOBODY CROSSES MY FRIENDS. But the whole thing turns out to be a piffle. So here I am. And here I remain. Forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever. Sick of me yet? Hehehehe, too damn bad.
posted 01-23-2001 02:18 PM PT (US)

Widescreen Oscar® Winner	Jeron, I hope you return to this thread, having seen my responses and this one being the more important to me of the two. I recognize my last response paid no respect to you for how kind you were in pointing out the fact that the community was important. You and I have both said so before. MW agrees, and that's a positive thing. I don't want this to be a message that says, "Oh, yeah, by the way, even though I want to say where things stand, I want to say you're neat, too." because that's unfair to the effort you're making here. I certain to be making a big deal of nothing, but I fear for misunderstandings here, as usual. I don't fear them between us, as friends, but it makes sense to make everything clear. If I don't, I'm likely to cause the same problems that result in the recent problems here. I really think things didn't get made clear and a consensus couldn't be reached as such. Anyway- I have decided that, on your thread, I will make this my last comment on the subject. I think we've flooded the place with our responses and goodwill. I think that ideal will eventually prevail.
posted 01-23-2001 02:24 PM PT (US)

Marc Flake Oscar® Winner	What the ...? What happened? That's what I get for not reading every thread. No, no, no. Don't rehash the whole thing -- unless it had something to do with film music. (I'm betting it didn't) That's why I come here, to read about and write about film music. I ignore everything else. (Although I think I did peak in and post on the "? for PeterK" topic once.) Marc
posted 01-23-2001 03:01 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Chris (Widescreen), and everyone else, I appreciate your responses. Thanks for paying me attention so quickly. While I know I'm in no position to be making demands, I am still anxious to hear from more of the members, as mentioned in the post. Rocco, I too was wondering about Scofield. Camillu and OHMSS76, if you will reread the post, you'll dually note that I did not forget you. I can be sneaky... so watch out. Sincerely, Jeron
posted 01-23-2001 03:33 PM PT (US)

Patrick Oscar® Winner	Excellent and moving post, Jeron and I think you are right "on topic".
posted 01-23-2001 04:04 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	What Jeron said. And what Rocco said. I totally agree with both. I'm glad that things turned out to be different and I don't have any reason to leave - because that would be hard, because, as Jeron pointed out, I don't want to leave you all. Yet, what would you do if you're at a party, and all of a sudden the host throws out one of your friends, with no apparent reason. Sure, he does have the right to do so. But would you stay and ignore it, or would you leave, even if that means leaving your friends there? But, as I said, although it looke like that first, that's not what happened. So, I guess you'll all have to read (or skip, whatever you like ) my posts in the future, too. And yes, I'm worried about Tom Scofield as well. That's one of the big problems of the internet: People disappear, and it's virtually impossible to find out why. PS: quote: Originally posted by Jeron: I didn't mention Rocco, JJH, Shaun, Lou, Andre, Hatfield, or Marian, as they have all been in contact with me (and each other) through out this entire ordeal Jeron, does that mean you were in contact with Mark Hatfield recently? I've haven't gotten a response from him since Christmas, and he hasn't posted here since the beginning of the new year. I'm slowly getting worried.
posted 01-23-2001 04:13 PM PT (US)

joan hue Oscar® Winner	"There is nothing that family can't forgive." Prince of Tides.
posted 01-23-2001 04:32 PM PT (US)

Timmer Oscar® Winner	Not sneaky enough to forget me though eh Jeron LOL I haven't been here for the last 2 days so I've only just caught up on all of this, I concur with Marian that I too would have left here at a certain point in the postings that I've just read, now with everything laid out before me I'm glad to be able to say that I didn't have the chance to make any rash judgements I nice heartfelt post by you Jeron, you get one of my Timmer hugs (not easy on the ribs, I know, 'sorry' ) ....and TOM!...it's been said by everyone, but PLEASE get in touch with us! Mark, you too, get in touch, both Marian and I want to know what's happening?! ....and lastly (but not leastly) would Hans Zimmer's biggest fan ANDRE LUX please come back SKLAA [Message edited by Timmer on 01-23-2001]
posted 01-23-2001 04:45 PM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	Jeron, I won't be leaving. Also where is Tom S.? Best, JW.
posted 01-23-2001 04:49 PM PT (US)

OHMSS76 Oscar® Winner	Grazia Senior Jeron...I know I'm a bit new here, but there are some terrific people on this board, and I hope that all will be resolved in time.... Now onto more pressing matters, like how many times does Goldsmith drop the F***(fork)bomb in the Hollow Man commentary? And what is the fascination contemporary composers have with the duduk?(Sorry guys,that is all I could come up with before I skiddaddle from work) Here's to endless discussion of the art we hold most passionate! All the best, Sean [Message edited by OHMSS76 on 01-23-2001]
posted 01-23-2001 05:07 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	To Jeron and everyone else who has posted before me: It's good to see that everybody appears to be heading in the same direction... the way out of this temporary mess. I really do not want to see anybody leave this board. Out of the film music boards, this is definately my favorite and I really enjoy the film music discussion that goes on here. One of the hidden pleasures of this board is its relatively small member base. I lurk at the Airliners.net forums, which has 6,000+ registered users. It's impossible to get to know anybody at that place! The small user base at this forum allows me to know the great people here quite a bit better. The words that people write here are worth a lot more to me, since I usually have an idea of where that poster is coming from. An example that immediately comes to my mind is Andre and his love for 'Hanzimmer.' I know he's the man to ask when it comes to scores from Media Ventures! Unfortunately, one of the down sides to having a small user base is that when we lose a member, it really hurts. I hope that those who have left will return. I understand that the "board politics" do not excite people, but I think that it's impossible to run a forum with a specific topic without a moderator. OK, back to chat about movie music already! NP: Hour of the Gun. Hey look, it's that Goldsmith guy, again. [Message edited by jonathan_little on 01-23-2001]
posted 01-23-2001 07:15 PM PT (US)

Nicolai P. Zwar Oscar® Winner	Jeron should obviously be banned.
posted 01-24-2001 07:31 AM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Obviously.
posted 01-24-2001 10:20 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Definitely.
posted 01-24-2001 10:57 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Timmer: I nice heartfelt post by you Jeron, you get one of my Timmer hugs (not easy on the ribs, I know, 'sorry' ) A hint, Timmer: Maybe you should start using only TWO of your eight legs when you hug someone? NP: In Too Deep (Christopher Young)
posted 01-24-2001 11:18 AM PT (US)

Mark Hatfield Oscar® Winner	Having already written to those sweet-hearted individuals that expressed concern, I hereby declare that I am not dead.
posted 01-24-2001 12:07 PM PT (US)

Mark Hatfield Oscar® Winner	Except to Timmer, 'cause he must be a creature of evil incarnate to fondle such a DISGUSTING spider-thingee. Gaaaah. Henceforth, I move that spiders - and scorpions! - be banned from this board.
posted 01-24-2001 12:09 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Mark Hatfield: I hereby declare that I am not dead. Yeah, right, everybody can say THAT.
posted 01-24-2001 01:59 PM PT (US)

S Smith unregistered	Wow, I made the list. I'm honored. Haven't been around much lately though. Not because of anybody here. Just personal reasons. But coming back is kind of like coming back from a vacation. It's nice to come back and see the same great people, and that not a whole lot has changed. Except that the site is even BETTER now.
posted 01-24-2001 10:37 PM PT (US)

AaronR1074 Oscar® Winner	Hrm, I'm trying my best to stay in the background here....but I thank Jeron for his kind words, and hope that ppl realize that your all stuck with me until (heaven forbid) the bitter end. My only true opinion here is that, like the news and media, this thing has been blown way out of proportion. Since when was this anyone's (including my own's) business?
posted 01-25-2001 08:46 AM PT (US)

Aaron R. Brown Oscar® Winner	I've been at this place since it began so I'm not going anywhere. Its the best place to discuss a wide varity of film music. I can't understand why anyone who really love film music would quit this place!
posted 01-25-2001 01:22 PM PT (US)

Aaron Collins Oscar® Winner	I agree fully with all the comments about this board and the members. I have made some great friends on this board and I am proud to say I am a member of this board. Aaron
posted 01-25-2001 02:28 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Woah. Now there's a blast from the past if I ever saw one. How've ya been, Aaron?
posted 01-25-2001 02:39 PM PT (US)

Aaron Collins Oscar® Winner	Disregarding the cold weather and sickness, I have been alright. It looks like you are still the same! Aaron NP: White Fang II(Which I happened to buy while with Jeron and Scott)
posted 01-25-2001 03:32 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	Glad to see you back bud! --Kyp Writer & Film/Video Editor NP: Legends of the Fall: James Horner (*****)
posted 01-25-2001 04:51 PM PT (US)

James Oscar® Winner	I'm still here, Jeron, but my computer's been sitting in a paper bag in my basement for a week. But what a week it's been. I only just caught up on all of these recent events, but I must tell you Jeron that your post here is the only one I have read which makes sense. I totally, completely concur with every word you said. I assure you, as long as this community exists, I will be a member of it. James
posted 01-25-2001 07:16 PM PT (US)

AaronR1074 Oscar® Winner	Jeron, "The Lord says 'This must be a fashionable fight, it's drawn the finest people'" -------Braveheart PS, Good to see your still alive Aaron Nice to have some of the vetrans back for support.
posted 01-26-2001 08:48 AM PT (US)

sabbey Oscar® Winner	Jeron! While, I have been away for the last several weeks, and just now got around to catching up here. I have no idea what has happened, not sure I want to know truthfully speaking! Just want to let you know, I agree 100% with what you said above. I never could understand how most flames/arguments could start, since we all are here because of our love for film music. We might not agree on certain topics, but our love for the music should not be in question. I guess it is why I find such posts pointless, not to mention rather asinine and sad. Anyway, hopefully I'll be around for quite awhile. I might not post as much as I'd like, though rest assured it is not because the content within. Just no time it seems! Regards, Sean Robert Abbey [Message edited by sabbey on 01-30-2001]
posted 01-30-2001 02:29 AM PT (US)

Greg Bryant Oscar® Winner	quote: our board's most informative, good-natured, and interested participants I'm honored to be in this esteemed list, but I still don't have a clue as to what this is all about. I get on here and talk about Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea with Lou, discuss the pro's of Goldsmith and the cons of Horner, make jokes, tell cool run-on stories involving the people on and talked about on this board, and generally let everything else slide off.
posted 01-30-2001 11:38 AM PT (US)

JoeInSanDiego Oscar® Winner	I was forgotten as well...and though I MUST admit to having had my life in perpetual upheaval of late, I do try and find a few minutes of every day to see how my friends here are doing. Jeron, in the spirit of fostering good feelings and family bonding, I shall forgive you...THIS TIME. =)
posted 01-30-2001 05:09 PM PT (US)

joan hue Oscar® Winner	JOE, in the spirit of fostering family, post more often. We miss you!!!! Welcome back. NP Restoration
posted 01-30-2001 05:48 PM PT (US)

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