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Topic: Later, people

Mark Olivarez

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Oh boy everyone grab on to something and hang on!!!!!!Gee THANKS ALOT Jeron!!!

[Message edited by Mark Olivarez on 01-22-2001]
posted 01-22-2001 08:32 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Well, don't get all excited JUST yet. The e-mail I sent just came back to me. Apparently the address was invalid. This will require more work than I initially thought![Message edited by Jeron on 01-22-2001]
posted 01-22-2001 08:37 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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Speaking generally:
I posted my retirement (effective after this post, retroactive to yesterday) independently of whatever else was going on in other threads.Until I got a critical email in response to one of posts to Dan from someone claiming I do not know all the facts (which still may not be the case; I ain't no lawyer).
anyway that was the general tone of the email.
and it pissed me of royally, if you can't tell. I have sinced ironed things out with the individual and/ or individuals.On a personal level, I really do not give a flyin' rat turd who hates who or whether someone thinks that I think a certain person ought to get their ass kissed all times of the day.
I think it's petty and childish.Judging from the behavior I have seen from some of these so-called professionals, I can clearly see that a lot of people have some growing up to do. A lot of people also clearly have to gain a lot of perspective on things. me included. People would get fired from their jobs in real life for this sort of behavior.
which is why I am taking some time away from posting for a little bit .
the film score community is small enough as it is, and petty bickering, nitpicking, name calling and carbon copied email don't do anything to achieve the common goal of world domination, uh, world recognition of the art and value of FILM MUSIC.
Peter is trying to make a living off his website, and I'll be damned to hell before I deride his means of support simply cuz he doesn't ship internationally yet.
who am I? and who is anyone else?which brings me to another point.
those of us who met in San Diego for the Williams concert who told Peter to his face that we would support his website REALLY ought to do so.no response to this post is necessary.
it was just an FYI to let you know my circumstances.
Now, I am going to find myself a job in whatever field and move on with my life (course, I've been saying THAT for awhile now).
posted 01-22-2001 08:48 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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quote:
Originally posted by JJH:
Now, I am going to find myself a job in whatever field and move on with my life (course, I've been saying THAT for awhile now).Yep, you have.

posted 01-22-2001 09:12 PM PT (US) 
Al

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PJ??Some things are better left undiscovered!
Think twice before unleashing this upon the world![Message edited by Al on 01-22-2001]
posted 01-22-2001 10:08 PM PT (US) 
Patrick

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I am now totally confused. First half the memebers of MMC say that this is their last post and that they're going away. Then They come back to say that this is their last post and that they're going away. If you're going to go.....go. If you're going to stay....stay. Make up your minds. I am weary of this. forty-four posts on this topic and none are about movie music.PS: I hope JJH and Rocco stay. I've enjoyed your insights and observations for a long time.
[Message edited by Patrick on 01-22-2001]
posted 01-22-2001 11:10 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Thanks, Patrick. As I said, I misunderstood precisely what was going on here, and separate conversations with Jeron, the K and particularly the endearing soft-core pornographer and cornflakes supermodel Shaun Rutherford have cleared me up on the whole peculiar matter. I'm back. I hardly even really left.
But I DID mean every word I wrote when I was still pissed off. (shrug) now I know better.(what am I doing up so early? And it's COLD outside! I was told this is FLORIDA, dammit!)
posted 01-23-2001 03:53 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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What Rocco said. After finding out the "truth" behind all this, I'm also back. Like Rocco, I meant what I said, but things turned out to be quite different from what they look.JJ, if you have to, take some time off the board - but come back sooner or later, will you?

posted 01-23-2001 04:23 AM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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I'm glad that H Rocco and Marian Schedenig decided to stay. But I wonder what they were told! They claim to know the "truth" behind all of this, but only after talking to one side of a two sided issue.Would either of you two be so kind as to elaborate for those of us who aren't as lucky to have direct communication with PeterK or Shaun?
Thanks!
Danposted 01-23-2001 07:43 AM PT (US) 
Nicolai P. Zwar

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I will freely admit to know nothing about anything that went on here or in any other forum on the net the last few weeks. I stopped by yesterday for the first time in a while and what was the first thing I stumbled across? A post in which some of the very people I come here to read declare their intend to leave. I have neither the time nor do I feel like digging through hundreds of posts just to figure out exactly what has happened but on first glance that doesn't sound too good to me. In any case, I'm obviously not gone yet and I don't want to, but the board won't really be the same without Andre, JJ, Ford, H Rocco, Shaun... For better or worse some might say, depending on whoever is at issue, but hey, I prefer people who express their opinions straight even if I don't agree with them. That doesn't necessarily mean I'm for tolerating actual vile and mean spirited behaviour, but it sure makes little sense to hang out here if the natural flow of conversation has to be constantly double checked against all kinds of paragraphs to ensure it still complies with section 56.78 paragraph 12 of the message board rules.
posted 01-23-2001 09:32 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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I decided to post it publically.
http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/005087.htmlJeron
[Message edited by Jeron on 01-23-2001]
posted 01-23-2001 12:22 PM PT (US) 
Stephen Lister

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I'm curious too about this "truth" behind the latest drama. I was ready to post some thoughts yesterday but I had a gut feeling that I didn't have the big picture, so I kept quiet. Anyone feel like sharing? Or is it a sensitive offboard-only thing?On the slightly-less-contentious issue of threads that wander off topic ... this is always going to happen. I tend to view this place as a pub I can wander into, knowing it is filled with people who share the same interest that I do. But if I walked into a pub one night and the landlord said, "You can only talk about ONE subject" ... well, I'd have second thoughts about going in there quite as much in future. Human conversation naturally evolves (or devolves) in unpredictable directions ... that's what's fascinating about talking with people ... to say we should all just stick religiously to the topic is to show a rather poor grasp of human behaviour. And if a conversation becomes boring because everyone's arguing about cheese or the meaning of life ... well, hey, walk away. Or change the subject. Or something. No one forces anyone to carry on reading any thread. Personally I kind of like it, because the off-topic stuff often tells me more about the personality behind the name than any discussion about Goldsmith's latest score or why we should crucify Hans Zimmer.
posted 01-23-2001 01:27 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I don't think "the truth" is all that sensitive ... or that it's necessarily my place to explain it here.Shaun? oh right, you're BAAAAAAAAANNNNNNED ...

posted 01-23-2001 02:08 PM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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Truth is an elusive subject who, at best, we get a glimpse of. In an effort to let everyone who is interested in what happened read the troublesome threads I offer the following link(s)This started the conflict:
http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/005049.htmlThis is where things got a little more serious:
http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/005066.htmlThat is all the public parts that I know of. There were probably a large number of emails dealt with privately.
[Message edited by MWRuger on 01-23-2001]
posted 01-23-2001 02:23 PM PT (US) 
scoreguy15
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Now, I was gone for a while, so could someone explain to me WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?! It sounds to me like you people are all ungreatful! Peter K has started a web page where we all could give our opinions and you trash it with bad threads that hurt peoples feelings. Now from what I have seen, Peter has done nothing but take time out of his schedule to protect those who would be hurt by those threads by deleting them and confroting the people who did that. Andre Lux said something one time that really upset me. He said that Don Simpson's death was a good thing and there's just one more that needs to die. As far as I am conserned, we are all at fault, including me, except peter k. He made this web site and you ungreatful ass holes made him leave. I hope you all are VERY proud of your dumb ass actions. Especially Shaun and Andre who diserved to be band more then anyone else.Clay G.
posted 01-23-2001 03:42 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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at last, the voice of reason.
posted 01-23-2001 03:48 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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LOL honorable H Rocco-son.
"...diserve to be band more than anyone else."
Hmmm, by the laws of Physics, is that physically possible?
NP Superman
posted 01-23-2001 04:36 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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The truth? Shaun got banned because he dropped his pants right here on the board. Hey, he was just practicing for his next performance!
posted 01-23-2001 05:21 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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There you go Mom, AND you MISSED IT!!
posted 01-23-2001 05:29 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Like there aren't video captures of it all over the net! Not to mention his other compulsively exhibitionistic appearances throughout his career as an international supermodel. I refer you in particular to his spectacular all-but-nude appearance in a recent Taco Bell commercial.http://www.tacobell.com/nakedchihuahuastunt/htm
I'm not gay or anything (notthatthere'sanythingwrongwiththat), but ... WOW!
posted 01-23-2001 05:35 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Aggghhh!! I keep getting the 'Page cannot be found' thingy?!GRRRRRRrrrr!!
posted 01-23-2001 05:59 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I believe Shaun is starting up an "all nude, all the time" 24-hour webcam, with links to other of his various "episodes."
posted 01-23-2001 06:13 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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But Timmer, I didn't miss all those baths he (and you too, Timmer) had to have from good old mum!
I can't access that page either, H Rocco. Darn.
posted 01-23-2001 06:32 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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BOOOO!
posted 02-09-2001 05:42 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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I must've missed Rocco's post above.Yes, the rumor is true. I recently started up a website, totally dedicated to me being totally nude. Apparently go.com, the host of my site ( www.mickeysbigminnie.com ), found that it wasn't merely a tribute to Minnie Mouse and topical discussion about her recent weight gain, but was another in a long line of "Pervert Who Found Only Tops-Or-Bottoms To Disney Costumes In The Trash" websites that've sprung up lately. Anyways, long story short, I was booted from their server, and less than 24 hours later, go.com......went.
So, anyway--the Disney costumes are gone (well, I kept the Donald costume for Prentiss), and I'm fully clothed again. Let the film scores fly!!!!!! Ouch! Not really, man!
Your humble servant,
Shaunposted 02-09-2001 07:06 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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I guess I'm one of those people who said he was going and you find returning, sorry people, deal with it, life is messy. Deep down I want to be posting here.I love just about everybody who posts here and I miss telling you all what you should think.
Despite pleas by Jeron and others to maintain the community, a community isn't worth maintaining if it's run by fascists.
I admit that Kommandant K has put together a good site but he's too fussy about it like someone who cleans a house to entertain but then won't let people in for fear they'll track mud on the floor.
I give credit where it is due but I give criticism where it is due too, Pete K has earned both.
I "walked" because I was tired of Pete's blatant meddling: closing topics, deleting them, moving them, bringing them back in some hard to reach place to show he hadn't done it in the first place. I also left because I didn't see the need to ban Ford Thaxton just because he has an attitude. I would have left over Shaun's "banning" as well, but wasn't aware of it.
Once again I urge all of you to either leave the board or continue to put pressure on Pete to make things here freer and more democratic. I have nothing but respect for H Rocco, but I don't think the appeasers are "the voice of reason" in this case. Rocco should be the first one to write letters to Pete telling him to ease up the heavy-hand. If you liked Ford like you do Shaun, you'd leave over his banning. But you should stand up for the principle that no one should be banned here at all or at least without everyone having a say in it.
I completely agree with Steven Lister and his pub metaphor. This should be a place to come in, chat with some cronies about films, film music, soccer, the news, what have you. Pete's rules are for children in kindergarden and have little to do with real people in a real world.
Pete--Dump the rules. Re-instate Ford. Just live with people being what they are.
NP: the sound of breaking glass
[Message edited by Lou Goldberg on 02-09-2001]
posted 02-09-2001 09:19 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Won't this EVER die??????????Lou, for the record, I was banned. Not "banned".
Shaun
NP---Low, "Sunflower" (if you like music and don't buy they're new album, Things We Lost In The Fire, then you're just not an American!)
posted 02-09-2001 10:51 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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No Shaun, this shouldn't die as long as there is reform to make.Now I thought you had asked Pete to close you out from the boards voluntarily so you wouldn't be tempted to post when you didn't want to, were you banned or not?
If you were banned, even for one day, that should be a warning sign to us all that we're supporting someone's ego trip.
We need to form a mob and do a Universal horror movie ending with torches and pitchforks to show Dr. Pete-rstein he should end his god-like ways.
posted 02-09-2001 11:07 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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(I don't know why I continue to post about this)I did ask Pete to get rid of me for a while, so the ability to post "negative vibes" to the board would be eliminated. So, I was still banned. I couldn't post.
Go form your mob, Lou. I have Atticus Finch on my side.
Shaun
posted 02-09-2001 11:34 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Lou: As I wrote very early in this whole farrago, I had every intention of leaving here, and the K knew exactly what I thought -- not because I wrote him, but because I had posted these same intentions. He was sufficiently concerned to write ME directly to help explain the whole thing (as did Jeron and Shaun), which I must say rather impressed me. I understand and even sympathize with your irritation, but when it comes down to it, I think it's all more or less meaningless. Not how you see it, Lou, I'm pretty sure, but, well, different people see things differently. I guess that sounds like a cop-out, but there's no point in elevating this nonsense to high drama.Lou, I will admit that I have had similar "ego trip" thoughts about the K, and never having met nor spoken to him directly, could not say one way or the other what is truly going on in his Administrator-Sized head. But I'm coming around to thinking he is not quite the ogre he may sometimes appear. Obviously (I hope), I have absolutely no reason to say this except for my own personal opinion and impression -- I am beholden to the K for no other reason than for giving me just one more messageboard wherein to rant and rave.
Good to have you back, Shaun. Are those stills from your Mazola campaign online yet? I haven't found them, search as I do (is it really only running in Malaysia?) Although I really DO think that you shouldn't even have attempted that "Chicken of the Sea" commercial (what the HELL were you thinking about with that swimming-chicken suit ... nice design by Rick Baker though) -- anyway, I'm SO glad you're working!
(note to the K -- awright, I wrote ya up nice -- transfer the funds to the bank in ACCRA, not GENEVA, if you would be so kind.)
(wait, I meant to send that by e-ma
posted 02-09-2001 11:47 PM PT (US) 
Kimiakane

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EXODUS!!! Movement of ja people!
posted 02-10-2001 02:42 AM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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Rocco--I'm sorry to call you to account, it was uncivil of me. Actually you are probably right.Lou's Odyssey: After saying later, I went to sign up at the FSM board. Actually, it seemed that just about everyone from here posts there, plus people who have left earlier, and still others. Reading the posts, I noticed that people tend to put their meatier and more informative posts there and then return here to be silly.
But when I read the rules I had to agree with to join, I balked. I'm sure the board is less policed than this one, but the basic policy still seemed to be do as we say or out.
I went to join rec.music.movies figuring I could be as rude as I pleased and have lots of fun both educating and slamming the heathen hoards over there. But the combination of my weak computer know-how and my local net user prohibited me from joining. Too bad as fantasies of topics like "Zimmer should Die" and the subsequent firefight seemed too good to pass up (I'm such a rabble rouser).
Finally, I joined Filmus-L. They tolerate Ford, so why not me too. But the rules there were sticking points as well. I don't like the digest form and when I opened my mailbox to find 28 messages, I ran for the hills.
Ultimately, this is the where I want to be anyway: despite the nonsense, this is the most user-friendly site I know of. The problem is that when there was a mass exodus earlier, Pete said, "Oh, don't worry, they'll be back." I'm a hypocrite to return and I hate to give that censoring slimeball the satisfaction of being right and think he can go on doing back-handed stuff and get away with it just because I'm a posting addict. But as my latest posts confirm, I've a monkey on my back. Damn, this is how a fish must feel just before he gets yanked from the water.
posted 02-10-2001 09:01 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

Lou, I never said that, so rest your thoughts about it. If I did ever say that, find where, point it to me. I will deal with me then. Someone else might have said it, I agree, I remember reading the same thing.I would imagine you wouldn't be too fond of misguided character traits used to describe you, especially if they happen to be based on ill-conceived notions about who you really are. I don't either.
There are a lot of people on this message board who truly know me. All the same, there are a lot of people here who don't know me, although there is a full awareness of the "PeterK" presence on this board. The two kinds of relationships are vastly different, although most don't subscribe to this idea, as you've just proven.
Have I ever called you a slimeball?
posted 02-10-2001 09:42 PM PT (US) 
Howard L
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Oh you guys are no fun...
posted 02-11-2001 01:47 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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No Pete, you have never called me a slimeball, but then I've never banned you or deleted your posts or told you that people you wanted to read posts from couldn't post here anymore.I could be wrong about it being you that said, "they'll be back." Unfortunately, with the ability to search a member's prior posts no longer working, I'd have to go through every related topic to try and find this again.
posted 02-12-2001 01:57 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Honestly, Lou, if you want to read Ford's posts so badly, the other places that you mentioned "joining" all prominently feature his presence. What's the big deal?Shaun
posted 02-12-2001 02:08 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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Could you please shut up?Ford Thaxton rules.
He may be fat, he may be rude, he may fart a lot, he may abused poor Lukas Kendall when he was young, he may call composers in the middle of the night, but I don't care.Thanks to him I have FLASH GORDON the orchestral score, KRULL (2 cd) and BATTLESTAR GALLACTICA (4 cds!!) and so many others I can't remember now.
Now, what you freaks did for me, except calling Hanzimza names (which is a great thing)?
Nothing!!
Bahhh...

posted 02-12-2001 02:30 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

Lou, we don't have to look far. This is the thread you've taken my quote from. From the looks of it, you are half right, I did say "They will be back," however, without the words "don't worry."By adding "don't worry," you've taken the tone of my comment completely out of context. I didn't say "they'll be back" to feed my own satisfaction later, as you've implied. I said "They'll be back" simply because they've left without the full knowledge that Shaun asked to be banned. You know what happened? They all came back after learning of Shaun's voluntary banishment. It had nothing to do with me.
For clarity's sake, here's the quote:
"They'll be back. This is a show of support for young Shaun Rutherford."
Like I've mentioned, I don't think anyone likes to be painted a certain way, especially when misconstrued "facts" are paraded around as definite personality traits of an individual. I certainly don't like it, and get very frustrated when people go off without really knowing my intent or who I am, or my lacking of what people call ego. If you think I have an ego, you do not know me, and that is a fact.
HowardL, accept my apologies for not being funny right now!
posted 02-12-2001 02:45 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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But you ARE funny, Mr. K -- SO funny -- ALL THE TIME!I laugh and laugh and laugh ... have YOU ever laughed like that?!

NP: WILD ROVERS (by anonymous)
posted 02-12-2001 03:01 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

Rocco, perhaps you have me confused with LKPK or someone....
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