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Kevin Oscar® Winner	Hans Zimmer won the Golden Globe for "Gladiator." Kevin PS. If that was his wife he kissed at the table, she's a babe.
posted 01-21-2001 07:33 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	The Golden Globes are on??? Shoot! I didn't even seen any advertisments on TV!
posted 01-21-2001 07:42 PM PT (US)

Vladimir Oscar® Winner	YESSS Hans and Lisa deserve this award big time!! I love the score i finaly saw the movie friday and it makes the score sound even better for some reason?? Yesterday my stepdad was doing some work on the computer and i was in the living room. I heard Gladiator playing on the computer. I asked him if he liked the music and he responded with a yes !!!! Matt
posted 01-21-2001 07:43 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	Shouldn't that award be shared with Richard Wagner and Gustav Holst? Dan
posted 01-21-2001 07:50 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: Shouldn't that award be shared with Richard Wagner and Gustav Holst? Dan You better be Joking!
posted 01-21-2001 08:23 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Oh boy... Andre should be chiming in at any moment. As for me, I was happy seeing Zimmer and Gerrard on the stage. Lisa Gerrard behaved very humble (in my opinion), and that's admirable. Oh, and yeah Kev - Zimmer's wife is a babe. It was his wife. Jeron
posted 01-21-2001 08:27 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	I wish I could have seen it!
posted 01-21-2001 08:51 PM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	Woohoo, I think they both deserved it... Zimmer's wife is a babe, I agree. Wish I could say the same for Gerrard, but she did seem nice... Can she not speak very good english? I couldn't tell... Also, I couldn't help but get the feeling that NOBODY CARED... The audience was rather quiet and nobody laughed at Zimmer's jokes... Then again, it is the Golden Globes, who goes to them in the first place? =P
posted 01-21-2001 09:27 PM PT (US)

AaronR1074 Oscar® Winner	All I have to say is FINALY!
posted 01-21-2001 09:36 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Forget about Zimmer... what was up with Elizabeth Taylor? IS THAT WOMAN OKAY?? I'm sorry, it was just really a sad sight. I feel bad for her. Jeron
posted 01-21-2001 09:41 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	Aaron, Zimmer had already won a Golden Globe before, for THE LION KING... for which he also won an Oscar. So I have to ask... "finally" what? Dan
posted 01-21-2001 09:43 PM PT (US)

Kross Oscar® Winner	I say CTHD was better, but that is just me. I am very happy Ang Lee won best Director, he sure as hell deserved it!
posted 01-21-2001 09:50 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Aaron, I agree! FINALLY! Now Zimmer has won his award for GLADIATOR, people will just buy the soundtrack and stop talking about it forever!
posted 01-21-2001 10:10 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	Didn't watch the Globes, but if I were a betting man, my money would've been on Maurice Jarre -- those guys even voted him Best Score for WALK IN THE CLOUDS! (Perhaps a fine piece of work, I've never heard it, but the point is that he's always been a Globe darling. Just not today.) Remember that Morricone won the Golden Globe last year, and wasn't even nominated for the Oscar. GLADIATOR just MIGHT get nominated for a Score Oscar -- although they seem wary in recent years of multiple nominees for the Score category -- but if Tan Dun is nominated, I still think he'll win the Oscar, because as with Corigliano's RED VIOLIN last year, Tan Dun will represent the "classy" vote, and also a means of awarding a movie that everybody loves but will not want to see win a "major" award (though on the other hand, I imagine CROUCHING TIGER will probably take Best Foreign Language Film.)
posted 01-21-2001 10:18 PM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	Well, I caught about the 2 minutes Zimmer got the award... the and last 10 minutes. God damn who in sams hell directs the Golden Globes these days? That was 10 minutes of the poorest award show I've ever seen.. Since when was Elizabeth Taylor diagnosed with down syndrome? She's old, she didn't seem like she had a brain, and her once attractive chest has turned into a bunch of wrinkles... why in the world have her close it up? Then Dick Clark acts all puzzled at the end, like he DIDN'T know the show was going to suck... He's the producer for crying out loud... Anyway blah blah and more blah! NP - Bicentennial Man (James Horner) */***
posted 01-21-2001 11:03 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	No disrespect to the lady, but I can't help but wonder if she was drunk! [Message edited by Jeron on 01-21-2001]
posted 01-21-2001 11:32 PM PT (US)

SPQR Oscar® Winner	What an odd couple Gerrard and Zimmer make. She, seemingly appalled to be thrust into the limelight by her participation on a film for which she holds some obvious contempt, and Zimmer, groping and prodding her to gush before the hoodwinked crowd as though it were the be all and end all of her music career. Perhaps no better commentary of the film or score has been so aptly put as her undisguised disgust at Zimmer's announcement that she did not originally want to collaborate on the film. "Nooo!", she blanched. [Message edited by SPQR on 01-22-2001]
posted 01-22-2001 01:03 AM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	Wow, I had a revelation: If the co-composer obviously didn't like the score or the movie, then it must be crap! Golden globe winning crap, albeit.... (My thought: If Morricone won--or anyone else, for that matter--those happy few would be here shoveling it in our faces, so take it with some dignity, for cryin' out loud....)
posted 01-22-2001 07:57 AM PT (US)

Camillu Oscar® Winner	I'm glad Zimmer one, just as I'm glad about Gladiator getting Best Dramatic Picture, and Hanks getting Best Actor for Cast Away. Hope I'm this glad after the Oscars. NP - Restoration - JNH
posted 01-22-2001 11:38 AM PT (US)

SBD Oscar® Winner	Jeron, I know what you mean about Liz Taylor. She did not appear to be in a right frame of mind. Then again, she has had health problems over the last few years. I just hope that this isn't the kind of thing that will haunt her for the rest of her life (just as people like Sally Field and James Cameron would know).
posted 01-22-2001 01:35 PM PT (US)

webjedi Oscar® Winner	Dan's right about the nod to Wagner and Holst... Have you guys ever spun up Holst's "Mars: The Bringer of War"? It's almost note for note! Hans owes more to Holst than he could ever realize. Same thing for Cliff Edelman for Star Trek VI... an obvious nod in the same direction. Paying homage via some orchestration and a bit of musical reworking is one, but stealing an entire chunk of score is yet another thing entirely. Zimmer doesn't deserve the award at all... his "humming" days should be at an end. David [Message edited by webjedi on 01-22-2001]
posted 01-22-2001 02:07 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Come on David, at least he's borrowing from the best. Imitation is the finest form of flattery. He did take a chunk from Mars, but hey - it was incorporated delightfully (and appropriately). Why make mention of the source when those who care the most are gonna know where it's from regardless? Give the guy a break... when was the last time you composed music for a major motion picture, David? Jeron [Message edited by Jeron on 01-22-2001]
posted 01-22-2001 02:41 PM PT (US)

webjedi Oscar® Winner	"Borrowing" and "Stealing" are two entirely different things. Williams borrows... Zimmer steals... http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=521579500/pagename=/RP/CDN/CLASS/muzealbum.html/itemid=550721 (click on the "Mars track") The freakin' orchestration is EXACTLY the same... I mean, at least they should pay royalties. Usually awards like those are given out for originality... not plagarism! [Message edited by webjedi on 01-22-2001]
posted 01-22-2001 02:54 PM PT (US)

webjedi Oscar® Winner	Plus.. Zimmer is a "hummer" not a freaking composer.. it's an insult to composers to group him in with them... BTW, I have no desire to write for film... if I did, I think could. I've written music before and have gotten a couple of awards for it... so there... ptttthppptt! C'mon.. they guy digitized an entire live orchestra so he could go home and make sounds farting around on his MIDI setup... geez... a high schooler could do the same thing if they had the time and money. [Message edited by webjedi on 01-22-2001]
posted 01-22-2001 03:01 PM PT (US)

Hasta Oscar® Winner	David you are stupid and I hope you die. That is all.
posted 01-22-2001 03:38 PM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Oscar® Winner	Actually for Star Trek VI Nicholas Meyer originally wanted to adopt The Planets for his score. When it proved too much financially he hired Eidelmann to write a score obviously based on The Planets.
posted 01-22-2001 03:39 PM PT (US)

webjedi Oscar® Winner	Wow Hasta.. that was probably the dummest and most ill-conceived response I've seen from anybody in a long time. I can probably guess by your anger is that you must believe that Zimmer can do no wrong and if he happened to accidentally sit on one of his MediaVentures composers' keyboards while spotting a film, you think his ass was the greatest composer since Beethoven... c'mon... get real... Plus, if I drink anymore of this damn L.A. water.. you may get your wish! ;-)
posted 01-22-2001 03:42 PM PT (US)

webjedi Oscar® Winner	Thanks Mark. Yeah, I think that at least when composers "admit" where their leanings are or influences come from, it's somewhat excusable. I just think Zimmer should stop over extending himself and take a break. It seems to work for Alan "I'm currently unemployed" Menken. Of course, that's just my opinion... as I'm as sure that I'm flame bait right now on this subject.
posted 01-22-2001 03:46 PM PT (US)

Kross Oscar® Winner	JULIA ROBERTS!!!! ARGG! I forgot their names already, but the woman from You Can Count On Me and the other from Requiem for a Dream blew Julia Roberts 300,000,000 miles away! I was truly angered by that tie-in-give-away when Julia actually only did a mediocre job. I only pray that the fools at the Academy will get it right! Tom Hanks was also a tie in, he could do a film about how to dispose of urine samples and get the big awards...did he deserve it? That is not sure, but he was decent enough. Julia Roberts? Come on! She is just a star, not an actress.
posted 01-22-2001 04:11 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	Mark's quite right about Eidelman, Nick Meyer and STAR TREK VI -- in fact, Eidelman cinched the job with the fact that he had done his musical doctorate thesis on "The Planets" (or so he told Meyer, I have no actual idea. )
posted 01-22-2001 04:15 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	A chap that didn't see "Notting Hill"....
posted 01-22-2001 06:18 PM PT (US)

Richard Oscar® Winner	"Zimmer is a 'hummer' not a 'composer'" Thats a pretty unfair statement to make you know. I listened to the sound samples and they are very similar', but no way would I say the orchestrations are exactly the same. The thematic material is very close if not identical, but it's not like Zimmer plagerised the entire score. I think we all know the story about Elfman and the Batman Theme, how he literally hummed it into a tape recorder. Does this mean that Elfman is not a composer but a hummer? If you remember a thread from a few weeks back in which Rocco said he knew from people who had worked with Elfman that he was the "real deal", so I guess this would testify that Elfman is a composer and not a hummer. My point is that it really doesn't matter how a composer (or one who writes music)comes up with it, being humming, playing every instrument in the orchestra, using keyboards/computers or pulling notes written on paper out of a hat, what matters is the end product. Even if Zimmer did intentionally copy that section of The Planets, its about the only time I can ever remember Zimmer copying sections of other composers work. I would say for the most part, Zimmer's work is original, and it definetly has its own sound. So as Jeron said "Give the guy a break... when was the last time you composed music for a major motion picture, David?"
posted 01-22-2001 06:23 PM PT (US)

Tim_P Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by webjedi: Thanks Mark. Yeah, I think that at least when composers "admit" where their leanings are or influences come from, it's somewhat excusable. I just think Zimmer should stop over extending himself and take a break. It seems to work for Alan "I'm currently unemployed" Menken. Of course, that's just my opinion... as I'm as sure that I'm flame bait right now on this subject. You're damn right you're flame bait on this subject! I'm not Zimmers biggest fan, but I can appreciate what he's done for the artform/industry. Zimmer has openly admitted in an issue of Film Score Monthly that he stole from Wagner and Holst. That's more than what you can say for Horner in his stealing from Khachaturian and Schumann, and Williams in his stealing of Stravinsky and Strauss. (although Williams' lifts don't really bother me all that much) I refuse to believe that the composer of The Thin Red Line is the hack/hummer you claim him to be. Tim
posted 01-22-2001 06:43 PM PT (US)

Vladimir Oscar® Winner	I can't believe some of the remarks i am hearing about Zimmer not being a composer and rather being a hummer??? Guys look wether you like it or not obviously the man did something good to win an award.I know we all have our own opinion but here we go again with the very highly contraversial "Gladiator" topic.He is one of my favorite composers and this is one of my all time favorite soundtracks so i will leave it at that and say I support Hans 100% Matt NP Gladiator
posted 01-22-2001 06:58 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by webjedi: Wow Hasta.. that was probably the dummest and most ill-conceived response I've seen from anybody in a long time. Hmmmm..... "dummest"? Sorry David, I just couldn't resist... Isn't humor great? Jeron [Message edited by Jeron on 01-22-2001]
posted 01-22-2001 08:16 PM PT (US)

webjedi Oscar® Winner	Okay folks, it seems you're not "up" on the definition of a "hummer". So, I'll pull one from the reference books, notably David Bell's "Getting the Best Score for Your Film - A Filmmakers' Guide to Music Scoring", under the heading 'The Pop/Rock Recording Artist as A Film Composer' pages 15 and 16: "When hiring a pop/rock artist to write and orchestral score, chances are that he'll be a 'hummer." The hummer's compositional talent is limited to humming or playing a simple tune; it's pretty certain that 95% of the music will actually be written by a ghostwriter/orchestrator, which can result in a rather generic sound." Now folks, if that doesn't pin point Zimmer, and his "style", I'm not sure you could get more clear. But to be fair, let me continue: "It's not enough to plink a one-finger tune on the piano, then let an orchestrator decide which instrument(s) should play it; the best melodies are composed with specific instruments or synthesizer/acoustic colors in mind." I think this mention above will explain the true lack of depth to most of Zimmer's scores, IMHO. Elfman is not a trained musician, but he's learned and progressed to what, as was mentioned above, "the real deal". I know the piece you're referring to when Elfman states his Batman story, it was in an AMC special on composers which I have on videotape. Using a tape recorder to record themes is a common thing for composers to do. Serendipity occurrs at the oddest times. However, what you fail to mention in your blocking and grouping of Elfman is that he later stated that he hummed ALL the pieces; melody, counter-melody, rhythm, etc... so he knew what each was for... and as stated in the last excerpt, it's what will define a hummer from a composer/orchestrator.
posted 01-22-2001 09:25 PM PT (US)

webjedi Oscar® Winner	Hey Jeron.. if this place had a spell checker.. I'm sure the amount of posts on this site would be effectively reduced by 75%... "dumbest"... okay, ya satisfied?! ;-)
posted 01-22-2001 09:28 PM PT (US)

Probable Oscar® Winner	I noticed that, despite predictions, André has not yet made a comment, so I thought I'd ghost-write one for him to add flavour to the topic: "I can't believe stupid Hamzimmer won that award! Is it posible that the judges for one of the two most recognized film awards around are completely ignorant of classical music? It makes me sad...a man so pitiful can win the public's admiration without having any talent or skill at all... " As for me personally, I think ol' hans hit on a nice scam, and what irritates me most is not that he copied other peoples' music, but that even though the music copied is by well-known and hugely successful classical composers, the vast majority of North-American people are so ignorant that they acclaim Zimmer as an original genius.
posted 01-22-2001 10:11 PM PT (US)

Kross Oscar® Winner	Notting Hill was recycled junk with stars, not actors. Roberts..........no! I do not like her
posted 01-22-2001 10:30 PM PT (US)

Onelegger Oscar® Winner	Wow, I can't believe I'm even replying in this nonsense. Since I haven't really researched that fact that Mr. Zimmer admitted to "stealing" from Holst or Wagner, I'm just going to say what I have thought about it. There was lots of theme stealing in classical music, as this board has liked to call it even though neither Wagner nor Holst was a classical composer, to ya know. The most famous one is probably the theme on BACH, which was originally written by, who else, Bach, and was used, stolen, ripped off by many other composers. So my new question is; When is it okay to use someone else’s material? Maybe the fact that Zimmer chose to use a movement written about the planet that is named after the Roman god of war means it would allow some more accessibility to his score. Maybe he was paying homage to Holst? I don't pretend to know his reasons why. But should it win in a category this is titled Best Original Score? Maybe not. But hey, I don't care. I liked the score and I thought it worked well in the film. So sure me for liking what someone chose to do even if I instantly knew the moment I heard it that it was from someone else’s work. NP - (HA) The Planets - Neptune, The Mystic [Message edited by Onelegger on 01-22-2001]
posted 01-22-2001 10:38 PM PT (US)

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